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And the 30 incher actually has a useful resolution of 2560x1600 (IIRC) rather than previous 30 inch models from other manufacturers on the market, of which none AFAIK go higher than 1024x768 (yuck!).
which 6800 will work wtih the apple 30inch HD LCD monitor and still workn on a PC. also, wut card would you need to be able to use that 30inch lcd on a PC?
I thought dual DVI and dual-link DVI were two entirely different things... in fact, the IBM 9MP LCD (what's the res on that? 3840x2560 or something?), for best operation, requires dual dual-link DVI connections. 
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DVI-D vs. DVI-I vs. Dual Link vs. Single Link: http://www.ddwg.org/dvi.html
From that description, I'll assume that the connectors are the same. I guess we'd just need a video card that can put out the higher resolution image, as well as a cable to handle it.
-SUO
From that description, I'll assume that the connectors are the same. I guess we'd just need a video card that can put out the higher resolution image, as well as a cable to handle it.
-SUO
Anybody have any gaming experience with the Wildcat VP series of video cards? The 990 Pro looks appealing because of the 512MB of RAM. Anybody use these cards? Any 3dMark benches or anything?
Those cards would be at home in CAD programs, Maya, stuff like that, but game compatibility is not so good, and the performance is not optimized for that kind of thing either. What I heard, which may or may not be true, is that professional 3D cards not based on consumer gaming cards (thus not the Nvidia Quadro and ATI FireGL X? - not saying those cards are bad by any means, just different) are built to handle large amounts of vertices better than large amounts of textures (the opposite of the gaming cards). Thus they won't perform as well in games as the Geforce, Radeon, Quadro, or FireGL.
this is one of the best post in the forum, i was scratching my head itching to find out myself.
thanks.
thanks.
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Lost the sticky again?
Speak up if you wanna keep it!
First post somewhat up-to-date now. I'm waiting for the 6800 and X800 stuff to clear to see what real offerings we have.
-SUO
Speak up if you wanna keep it!
First post somewhat up-to-date now. I'm waiting for the 6800 and X800 stuff to clear to see what real offerings we have.
-SUO
Great thread this!
I am trying to decide on a dual DVI card to run my 2 Dell 1900FP monitors on linux.
You might like to read my post here:
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?group=comp.os.linux.hardware&selm=pan.2004.07.22.00.56.20.701956%40REMOVE-THISgiantwasp.co.uk
(I hope that link works)
So far I've had no replies and you guys seem to know a lot about these cards, so I am hoping for a quicker response.
At present I planning to get:
Gainward SilentFX PowerPack! Ultra/980 XP Professional GEFORCE FX 5700
Is there any reason anyone knows of why I should not.
Does the fanless cooling mean I need good case cooling or is it as good as a fan?
Any Linux compatibility issues?
Will I be able to run new games to a playable level, ie. Half Life 2
Note: I used to be a big gamer but don't have the time now so games are still important but they don't have to be jaw dropping.
Thanks Clive
I am trying to decide on a dual DVI card to run my 2 Dell 1900FP monitors on linux.
You might like to read my post here:
http://groups.google.co.uk/groups?group=comp.os.linux.hardware&selm=pan.2004.07.22.00.56.20.701956%40REMOVE-THISgiantwasp.co.uk
(I hope that link works)
So far I've had no replies and you guys seem to know a lot about these cards, so I am hoping for a quicker response.
At present I planning to get:
Gainward SilentFX PowerPack! Ultra/980 XP Professional GEFORCE FX 5700
Is there any reason anyone knows of why I should not.
Does the fanless cooling mean I need good case cooling or is it as good as a fan?
Any Linux compatibility issues?
Will I be able to run new games to a playable level, ie. Half Life 2
Note: I used to be a big gamer but don't have the time now so games are still important but they don't have to be jaw dropping.
Thanks Clive
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If I am not mistaken, the XFX uses the 5700 Ultra chip while the other two do not (the vanila 5700 chip). So, you might be settling for more RAM for a less powerful chip. I think the latest and greatest games will only see a difference in performance with more than 128MB RAM onboard.
Hopefully, someone else here can verify my thinking.
There is one GF 6800 (non-Ultra) card in the bunch. May be worth a second look, if it is widely available.
BTW, I have a GF4 Ti4600 dual-DVI that works fine in Linux (Gentoo, currently). As with Windows, nVidia offers the same Linux driver regardless of the chip powerinf the video.
-SUO
If I am not mistaken, the XFX uses the 5700 Ultra chip while the other two do not (the vanila 5700 chip). So, you might be settling for more RAM for a less powerful chip. I think the latest and greatest games will only see a difference in performance with more than 128MB RAM onboard.
Hopefully, someone else here can verify my thinking.
There is one GF 6800 (non-Ultra) card in the bunch. May be worth a second look, if it is widely available.
BTW, I have a GF4 Ti4600 dual-DVI that works fine in Linux (Gentoo, currently). As with Windows, nVidia offers the same Linux driver regardless of the chip powerinf the video.
-SUO
Thanks for your help SUO.
You are right the Gainward cards are Vanilla. I didn't think there would be a big difference between that and the Ultra and I thought it would be better to get the more memory.
When you say that I will only see a difference with more than 128MB would a 128 card run the next few releases at a good level with 256MB running them at max or would a 128 run at min with 256MB running at recommended. And in this respect would I be better to get a vanilla chip in order to get the 256MB memory.
There is a XFX 6800 chip 128MB i've seen that for around £210 would that be worth the extra £60 GBP.
Or I would even be tempted to pay £300 or so for a 6800GT with 256MB if I am going to get double the performance from it. (The others are all about £150). I just thought it was that price because it is new.
Another thing I am very aware of is that my LCD monitors are not designed for gaming and I don't want to spend loads on a graphics card that is sending out, say 80fps when it only looks like 40fps on the screen.
FYI: My favourite kind of games are 3rd person shooters, ie. Hitman, GTA3, Splinter Cell etc.
Another point I am hoping to get rid of my windows partition so I may not be able to run some of the just released games until they work in winex ( although at present I play all games on an old win98 partition because I haven't got around to installing winex so I don't know how good it is!)
What is the disadvantage with passive cooling? why don't all cards have it do you need to compensate by having a massive fan on your case. I really like the idea of having no fan because for the next few months my PC will be in my bedroom and I don't want to have to shut it down to get to sleep. Note I am currently looking at the Lian Li quiet case. http://www.thinkgeek.com/pcmods/cases/6132/
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Clive
You are right the Gainward cards are Vanilla. I didn't think there would be a big difference between that and the Ultra and I thought it would be better to get the more memory.
When you say that I will only see a difference with more than 128MB would a 128 card run the next few releases at a good level with 256MB running them at max or would a 128 run at min with 256MB running at recommended. And in this respect would I be better to get a vanilla chip in order to get the 256MB memory.
There is a XFX 6800 chip 128MB i've seen that for around £210 would that be worth the extra £60 GBP.
Or I would even be tempted to pay £300 or so for a 6800GT with 256MB if I am going to get double the performance from it. (The others are all about £150). I just thought it was that price because it is new.
Another thing I am very aware of is that my LCD monitors are not designed for gaming and I don't want to spend loads on a graphics card that is sending out, say 80fps when it only looks like 40fps on the screen.
FYI: My favourite kind of games are 3rd person shooters, ie. Hitman, GTA3, Splinter Cell etc.
Another point I am hoping to get rid of my windows partition so I may not be able to run some of the just released games until they work in winex ( although at present I play all games on an old win98 partition because I haven't got around to installing winex so I don't know how good it is!)
What is the disadvantage with passive cooling? why don't all cards have it do you need to compensate by having a massive fan on your case. I really like the idea of having no fan because for the next few months my PC will be in my bedroom and I don't want to have to shut it down to get to sleep. Note I am currently looking at the Lian Li quiet case. http://www.thinkgeek.com/pcmods/cases/6132/
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Clive
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Here is a a head-to-head 5700 vs. 5700 Ultra comparison: http://www.digital-daily.com/video/msi-fx5700ultra/
And I can't forget AnandTech's own roundup: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=1955&p=23
Based on those findings, 5700 vs. 5700 Ultra with the same amount RAM may be a wash for you., especially given any significant price difference.
BTW, frames-per-second measurements need to be considered in a different light when LCDs are involved. A good measurement of LCDs in terms of gaming is response time, as they are progressive and not interlaced like many CRTs.
As fasr as active vs. passive cooling, keep in mind that many video chips are as powerful as CPUs. They put out a lot of heat. Unless you want things in your PC to melt, active cooling is almost a necessity. The alternatives may be Peltier or liquid cooling.
-SUO
And I can't forget AnandTech's own roundup: http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=1955&p=23
Based on those findings, 5700 vs. 5700 Ultra with the same amount RAM may be a wash for you., especially given any significant price difference.
BTW, frames-per-second measurements need to be considered in a different light when LCDs are involved. A good measurement of LCDs in terms of gaming is response time, as they are progressive and not interlaced like many CRTs.
As fasr as active vs. passive cooling, keep in mind that many video chips are as powerful as CPUs. They put out a lot of heat. Unless you want things in your PC to melt, active cooling is almost a necessity. The alternatives may be Peltier or liquid cooling.
-SUO
You say that response time is a better measure on LCD's than fps but I thought that the reponse time was dependant upon the monitor (mine being 25ms). By that line of thought would there not be no point in getting a powerful graphics card because as long as it is reasonable the monitor will decide the quality.
If that is not the case and you get the same perfomance benefits with better cards as with CRTs but just not as good as CRTs. ie. if different cards on CRTs go from quality 6 to 10 and on LCDs they goes from 4 to 8. Then after reading over web I am comming round to the idea of spending more to get a 6800 (GT or Ultra) with 256MB. It just seems a lot when that might be more than what I am spending on the CPU (although I haven't researched into that much yet!)
Reading Andtechs review on 64-bit linux http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2114 They were not able to install NVIDIA's graphics driver with the default kernel on fc2 is this something i should be concerned about or is kernel recompiling fairly straightforward. (I haven't had to do it before)
I think I will forget about passive cooling as much I would like a quiet machine I don't want to a have a quiet machine that blows up! I will probably try to keep the noise down with bigger fans etc.
Clive
If that is not the case and you get the same perfomance benefits with better cards as with CRTs but just not as good as CRTs. ie. if different cards on CRTs go from quality 6 to 10 and on LCDs they goes from 4 to 8. Then after reading over web I am comming round to the idea of spending more to get a 6800 (GT or Ultra) with 256MB. It just seems a lot when that might be more than what I am spending on the CPU (although I haven't researched into that much yet!)
Reading Andtechs review on 64-bit linux http://www.anandtech.com/linux/showdoc.aspx?i=2114 They were not able to install NVIDIA's graphics driver with the default kernel on fc2 is this something i should be concerned about or is kernel recompiling fairly straightforward. (I haven't had to do it before)
I think I will forget about passive cooling as much I would like a quiet machine I don't want to a have a quiet machine that blows up! I will probably try to keep the noise down with bigger fans etc.
Clive
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I believe any chip/card support TwinView (more than one simultaneous display) can have two different resolutions/color depths.
-SUO
-SUO
The new 3DLabs Wildcat Realizm cards all support dual DVI, with the higher end ones supporting dual dual-link DVI. Too bad they're not available yet, and all will be somwhere north of US$1K.
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XFX 6800 GT
careful, there's a dual dvi version model #PVT40AUD and the 1 dvi version model #PVT40AUA
Don't forget the new Gainward dual dvi cards, based on the 6800, 6800GT, & 6800U models:
Gainward PowerPack Ultra 2200; ltra 2400 and Ultra 2600 (some of which are dual DVI).
Gainward PowerPack Ultra 2200; ltra 2400 and Ultra 2600 (some of which are dual DVI).
FYI,
The XFX 6800GT does NOT run dual 1600x1200 LCDs reliably.
The 2nd DVI port is quirkey at 1600x1200. Works fine at 1280x1024 though.
(see my post on 2cpu.com forums for details)
The XFX 6800GT does NOT run dual 1600x1200 LCDs reliably.
The 2nd DVI port is quirkey at 1600x1200. Works fine at 1280x1024 though.
(see my post on 2cpu.com forums for details)
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