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Link to "Marine shooting the prisoner" video...
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Actually, he is correct, the video does say "as this was happening". Anyhow, that's irrelevant, it only confirms that the insurgents were using bodies as booby traps. Conjur will do anything to try an obfuscate his indefensible statement. He won't even address it anymore. He is hoping we'll just forget he ever wished death on a marine. I won't.
If he was a man, he'd retract it or clarify it.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
"I wished the death penalty on an obvious murderer." And there you have it folks. Tried, convicted and then FRIED.
CsG
Thanks for clarifying, oh fair minded and judicious one. I guess we can assume that by wishing the "death penalty" you do want a trial, but you've already made up your mind that he's guilty of capital murder.
Anyone have any questions? BBond? I think it is perfectly clear now isn't it?
Doesn't change you are wishing for his death. Sig stays.
OutHouse
Lifer
some people in P&N are such dumbasses!! You dont know all the FACTS of this story, you have not been in combat for the past 10 days. You have never been in a MOUNT combat operation. You have never been in a situation where the enemy dead are booby trapped to kill our troops. You have never been in a situation where one lone survior is just playing dead and just waiting to set off a few pound of explosives and kill a few more Amaricans to be with the virgins in the sky...
until you have been in that situation STFU!!!
I hope they do institude a draft, so all you snot nosed military basher get to experience whats it really like. :|
until you have been in that situation STFU!!!
I hope they do institude a draft, so all you snot nosed military basher get to experience whats it really like. :|
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
And again, we(You, I, and everyone else here) do NOT know the whole situation - yet here you sit wanting him to fry.
CsG
Death and destruction under Saddam didn't blemish my country. Bush is doing this in our name now and we're doing a better job of killing Iraqis than Saddam ever did. And the whole world is watching.
The only chance Iraqis have for freedom and democracy, those who are left alive, will be when Bush gets out of their country and lets them choose their own destiny. You can't bring freedom and democracy at the point of a gun.
Not one of them will be drafted. Just as it's always been. But they won't hesitate to send our sons and daughters off to fight and sometimes die in another unnecessary war, while they rake in the profits.
I hope Cheney sleeps well at night, counting his war profits instead of sheep as he dozes off and dreams of the next opportunity to follow his other priorities.
flexy
Diamond Member
there are many dead people lying around in that house (and other houses), and, reportedly, already 100000 (?) killed in the war.
But if one does NOT get killed and you see the killing on TV people cry "murder"...this doesnt make sense. What about the people who got shot before ?
remember ? "WAR ?" Guns...fighting... ? Killing ? Some die instantly..some get injured, die later...some fake dead and get shot...etc..etc....
Btw..these are (i guess) insurgents...people who were fighting just minutes ago....eg. "I kill you - if not, you kill me !"...if i were in one of the marine's position i would NOT take a chance. Especially if i have reason to believe someone is faking to be dead - people, who were just shooting at me a minute ago ?
What would you do ?
Wait and turn around so he can get up, grab a gun and shot YOU ???
Again: Get R.E.A.L. and accept the reality and what "war" actually is.
Btw. not supporting 99,9% of Bush's politics - but CERTAINLY i would support *certain* actions of marines in battle, EVEN if they do not look "NEAT". If you expect war to be "neat" and "clean" you might have a problem with reality 🙂
But if one does NOT get killed and you see the killing on TV people cry "murder"...this doesnt make sense. What about the people who got shot before ?
remember ? "WAR ?" Guns...fighting... ? Killing ? Some die instantly..some get injured, die later...some fake dead and get shot...etc..etc....
Btw..these are (i guess) insurgents...people who were fighting just minutes ago....eg. "I kill you - if not, you kill me !"...if i were in one of the marine's position i would NOT take a chance. Especially if i have reason to believe someone is faking to be dead - people, who were just shooting at me a minute ago ?
What would you do ?
Wait and turn around so he can get up, grab a gun and shot YOU ???
Again: Get R.E.A.L. and accept the reality and what "war" actually is.
Btw. not supporting 99,9% of Bush's politics - but CERTAINLY i would support *certain* actions of marines in battle, EVEN if they do not look "NEAT". If you expect war to be "neat" and "clean" you might have a problem with reality 🙂
NightCrawler
Diamond Member
I think months of combat begins to wear on you and you get a little trigger happy.
Were they 'insurgents' or were they some of the many men between the ages of 15 and 55 (military age according to the U.S. military) who were turned back by U.S. troops and forced to reenter the battle zone?
Were they residents of Fallujah who had nowhere to go and stayed in their homes?
Were they shooting at Marines just a minute before?
The only problem with reality in Iraq is the reality that America didn't need to attack, and that's where all the problems stem from. An unprovoked, unnecessary invasion of a nation that was sold to us based on a pack of lies from a group of people who are profiting handsomely from their invasion while Americans and Iraqis are maimed and killed.
When will America hold Bush accountable for his actions?
Liberals jumping to conclusions and wishing death on American servicemen?
Never would have guessed it.
I would have liked to see what the cutoff commentary was saying. Maybe something along the lines of faking a death and using a bomb to blow themselves and whatever marines are around him up.
But lets jump to conclusions right off the bat without knowing much of anything and convict him of murder.
That is the rational and intelligent thing to do.
Never would have guessed it.
I would have liked to see what the cutoff commentary was saying. Maybe something along the lines of faking a death and using a bomb to blow themselves and whatever marines are around him up.
But lets jump to conclusions right off the bat without knowing much of anything and convict him of murder.
That is the rational and intelligent thing to do.
Great link to the tape. I have very mixed feelings about this. I have been defending the actions of the US military in Iraq. Mostly we see and hear all of the negative things happening in Iraq, not to many good reports coming out. Yet this shooting surfaces and I begin to wonder what the hell is going on. I know first hand what is going on, I know the operation tempo is something we have never experenced before. The combat stress we faced daily. Wondering if you will survive the operation or even the day. Not being able to identify who is the bad guy from the civilian.
To see this clip, I wonder what went wrong? I know they were trained better and certainly knew better. So that excuse is out the door. Revenge? Possible but forbidden... Better yet where was the leadership at? The Sergeant, LT or Corporal located? Once the Marine Corps gets rolling with the investigation, they will find everyone in that room guility with at least one offence under the UCMJ. More than likely some of the Leadership will go down, but not all. There will be no mention of how we have gone down to the squad level conducting missions, nor the fact that the Marine Corps has helped create this type of action within the ranks.
grunt03 sends..........
To see this clip, I wonder what went wrong? I know they were trained better and certainly knew better. So that excuse is out the door. Revenge? Possible but forbidden... Better yet where was the leadership at? The Sergeant, LT or Corporal located? Once the Marine Corps gets rolling with the investigation, they will find everyone in that room guility with at least one offence under the UCMJ. More than likely some of the Leadership will go down, but not all. There will be no mention of how we have gone down to the squad level conducting missions, nor the fact that the Marine Corps has helped create this type of action within the ranks.
grunt03 sends..........
theblackbox
Golden Member
it's all conjecture.
if you weren't there, how can you know what happened?
if it was an innocent civilian that was killed in cold blood, it will be handled accordingly by the military.
if it was an innocent, it is a sad loss and the soldier in question should be punished accordingly.
but wait until you have the facts, because some of yousound retarded telling everyone else what you "know" to be the truth.
it's easy to be an armchair quarterback sitting in your computer chair, drinking mountain dew and playing counterstrike or whatever game you play. it's easy to point the finger at others.
if you weren't there, how can you know what happened?
if it was an innocent civilian that was killed in cold blood, it will be handled accordingly by the military.
if it was an innocent, it is a sad loss and the soldier in question should be punished accordingly.
but wait until you have the facts, because some of yousound retarded telling everyone else what you "know" to be the truth.
it's easy to be an armchair quarterback sitting in your computer chair, drinking mountain dew and playing counterstrike or whatever game you play. it's easy to point the finger at others.
Uh...did you even read this thread? The 2nd group of Marines that entered the mosque were not the ones who'd been fired upon from the mosque. The mosque had already been secured and only a few injured/dead insurgents were inside.
The brain-dead grunt then kills an unarmed, wounded, helpless person at point-blank range in cold blood.
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