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Link to "Marine shooting the prisoner" video...
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Iraq is a terrifying place to live. People are in constant fear of being denounced as opponents of the
regime. They are encouraged to report on the activities of family and neighbours. The security services
can strike at any time. Arbitrary arrests and killings are commonplace. Between three and four million
Iraqis, about 15% of the population, have fled their homeland rather than live under Saddam
Hussein?s regime.These grave violations of human rights are not the work of a number of overzealousindividuals but the deliberate policy of the regime. Fear is Saddam?s chosen method for staying in power. This report, based on the testimony of Iraqi exiles, evidence gathered by UN rapporteurs and human rights organisations, and intelligence material, describes the human cost of Saddam Hussein?s control of Iraq. It examines in turn Iraq?s record on torture, the treatment of women,prison conditions, arbitrary and summary killings, the persecution of the Kurds and the Shia, the harassment of opposition figures outside Iraq and the occupation of Kuwait.
The United Nations Security Council and the UN Commission on Human Rights have repeatedly, over
many years, condemned Iraq?s human rights record. But Iraq continues to flout UN resolutions and to
ignore its international human rights commitments. On 19 April 2002, the UN Commission on Human
Rights passed a resolution drawing attention to ?the systematic, widespread and extremely grave
violations of human rights and of international humanitarian law by the Government of Iraq, resulting in
an all-pervasive repression and oppression sustained by broad-based discrimination and widespread
terror.?
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CADsortaGUY
Lifer
"Fvcking dumbass grunt. Hope he fries"
😕
CsG
It's illegal to feign death to kill your enemy, it's illegal to booby trap dead bodies, it's illegal to surrender using a white and then fire and it's certainly immoral to use a place of worship as a military fortress.
Where's Conjur and his ilk decrying these insuregent behaviors?
Obviously, he'd rather condemn US soldiers without even knowing all of the facts.
Where's Conjur and his ilk decrying these insuregent behaviors?
Obviously, he'd rather condemn US soldiers without even knowing all of the facts.
adlep
Diamond Member
That is NOT the reason Bush gave America and the world for his unprovoked, illegal, immoral invasion of Iraq. To suggest he invaded Iraq on humanitarian grounds is to ignore the truth and insult the intelligence of every person who heard Bush and his administration repeat myriad times the necessity to immediately invade Iraq to destroy Saddam's WMDs when all the while Bush knew his evidence was based on outright fraud and years old evidence that was refuted by UN weapons inspectors who were on the ground in Iraq and telling Bush there were no weapons of mass destruction.
One other element in Bush's unprovoked invasion was his failure, his outright neglect, to plan for the aftermath of the inavsion which led directly to such actions as we are witnessing in Fallujah and all across Iraq.
In a world where the policies and actions of the Bush administration have sunk U.S. standing to an all time low, I am more concerned with the actions of Americans during Bush's unprovoked invasion of Iraq. We police ourselves. We tell the world we are better than murdering dictators. We tout ourselves as the world's beacon of freedom and democracy. We cannot sink to the level of car bombers and terrorists, killing civilians, children and women for God's sake, and expect the world not to call us hypocirtes and worse.
Fingolfin269
Lifer
I'm the last person who would ever pass judgement on one of our soldiers. I have no idea what happened to these guys earlier in the day. Maybe they stumbled across some others who were playing dead and ended up trying to toss a 'nade in their general direction or maybe they saw something similar in a different mosque that almost turned catastrophic. Hell, maybe they just lost five other Marines in a fire fight an hour ago and wanted revenge.
That is why I will most certainly wait for an investigation's results before ever presuming to know what really happened there. I don't presume to know what it's like to be in the mind of a soldier who is going through what those guys are going through who are in Fallujah right now. And shame on any of the rest of you who have not been in combat and think you have the insight to understand a person's mindset who is there. To us this is just another movie. We can try to personalize it simply because we know that it is real, but in the end it is just another moving picture on our television set with no true emotion attached (assuming you haven't lost any loved ones).
That is why I will most certainly wait for an investigation's results before ever presuming to know what really happened there. I don't presume to know what it's like to be in the mind of a soldier who is going through what those guys are going through who are in Fallujah right now. And shame on any of the rest of you who have not been in combat and think you have the insight to understand a person's mindset who is there. To us this is just another movie. We can try to personalize it simply because we know that it is real, but in the end it is just another moving picture on our television set with no true emotion attached (assuming you haven't lost any loved ones).
And again, the reason our troops are stretched so thin, their tours extended, their stress level so high, is the absolute incompetence and failure of the Bush administration to plan for the aftermath of their unprovoked attack on Iraq. All based on false evidence presented to America as a do or die necessity.
I blame every atrocity, every civilian death, every child missing a limb, disfigured for life or dead on George W. Bush and the band of neocon madmen who sent our troops into this hell hole of Bush's making.
CADsortaGUY
Lifer
Have you also lost your ability to read since your mables went scattering across the floor?
We don't know the whole story yet, so I'll reserve judgement until we find out more. However it looks like you and others hope he "fries" before we get all the info.
*shrugs*
Like b0mbrman - I hope that this incident is investigated - and IF the investigation warrants a trial - I hope the Marine gets a fair hearing. Then - IF convicted of a crime he should be punished.
CsG
Ignoring your anti-bush diatribe, in general terms I agree. Of course, this man didn't kill a child, civilian, or woman. He killed a wounded insurgent in a war zone.
But, put yourself in the guys shoes (see previous post). He's been killing insurgents for the past X days. He's probably seen his friends die/wounded by cheap insurgent tactics. He's been shot the previous day. Bodies are being booby-trapped. As a trained killer, if you saw someone stirring as you "cleared" a house, would you sit tight and think about the geneva convention? Or would you wonder if he had a bomb-belt strapped to himself? Unfortunately, he killed the man. War is a horrible horrible thing. I feel badly for this marine, his life is probably ruined. I don't feel too sad for a wounded insurgent holed up in a MOSQUE. Did he deserve to die? I try not to pass judgement on who deserves to die. But I'll take a life of one of my countrymen over a scumbag insurgent anyday.
Still waiting for your analysis of this one, BBOND:
v. Hope: To wish for something with expectation of its fulfillment. To expect and desire.
he: The "dumbass grunt"
fries: Slang. To undergo execution in an electric chair.
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