Link to "Marine shooting the prisoner" video...

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Carbo
It's a damn war and soldiers are fighting for their lives.

Are they? This guy wasn't armed and was playing dead. Very scary.

EDIT: And yeah those child-prisoners at Abu Graib were scary too. :roll: Really fighting for their lives...

 

[Carbo]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Carbo

Taking prisoners and not killing defenseless people. This wasn't just a battlefield, it was a mosque in a city. Americans weren't always letting civilians leave.

Surely you jest! "Defenseless people"??? What the hell are they shooting at the US troops? Paintballs!? And, yes, it was a mosque in a city. It ceased to be that once the enemy filled it with munitions.

Why are US troops shooting at them? What are they doing there? What would you do if Iraqis were in your town? What if they wouldn't let you flee your town? What would you do? Would you pretend to be dead? Would you deserve death?

Your questions tell me you could not be more uninformed than you already are. Is it possible your head is in the sand that far?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Carbo
It's a damn war and soldiers are fighting for their lives.

Are they? This guy wasn't armed and was playing dead. Very scary.

EDIT: And yeah those child-prisoners at Abu Graib were scary too. :roll: Really fighting for their lives...

Condemn this fscking war but leave the poor Soldiers that have to prosecute this mistake alone.

 

[Carbo]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Carbo
It's a damn war and soldiers are fighting for their lives.

Are they? This guy wasn't armed and was playing dead. Very scary.

EDIT: And yeah those child-prisoners at Abu Graib were scary too. :roll: Really fighting for their lives...

And that car bomb that blew up yesterday was being driven by an innocent taxi driver trying to support his poor family. Coincidentally, he had enough explosives in the vehicle to kill ten people.....and he did.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Carbo
It's a damn war and soldiers are fighting for their lives.

Are they? This guy wasn't armed and was playing dead. Very scary.

EDIT: And yeah those child-prisoners at Abu Graib were scary too. :roll: Really fighting for their lives...

Condemn this fscking war but leave the poor Soldiers that have to prosecute this mistake alone.

Sorry, some actions are worthy of condemnation. When a soldier rapes a civilian they should be punished. When a soldier tortures a civilian, they should be punished. When a soldier kills someone who is defenseless when they could imprison them, they should be punished.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Carbo

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Carbo
It's a damn war and soldiers are fighting for their lives.

Are they? This guy wasn't armed and was playing dead. Very scary.

EDIT: And yeah those child-prisoners at Abu Graib were scary too. :roll: Really fighting for their lives...

And that car bomb that blew up yesterday was being driven by an innocent taxi driver trying to support his poor family. Coincidentally, he had enough explosives in the vehicle to kill ten people.....and he did.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

 

[Spencer278]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
How do you know he deserved death? How do you know that he was an enemy combatant?

The thing is - we don't...yet - and neither do any of you. But hey...he's(the Marine) already tried and convicted in the minds of some here.

CsG

Well it seems the soldiers was the judge jury and executure so I don't think he will mind if a few people on the internet assume he is guility.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: Infohawk
How do you know he deserved death? How do you know that he was an enemy combatant?

Obviously because the Bush Regime and the P&N experts say so.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
How do you know he deserved death? How do you know that he was an enemy combatant?

The thing is - we don't...yet - and neither do any of you. But hey...he's(the Marine) already tried and convicted in the minds of some here.

CsG

Well it seems the soldiers was the judge jury and executure so I don't think he will mind if a few people on the internet assume he is guility.

:thumbsup:

 

[Carbo]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Carbo
It's a damn war and soldiers are fighting for their lives.

Are they? This guy wasn't armed and was playing dead. Very scary.

EDIT: And yeah those child-prisoners at Abu Graib were scary too. :roll: Really fighting for their lives...

Condemn this fscking war but leave the poor Soldiers that have to prosecute this mistake alone.

Sorry, some actions are worthy of condemnation. When a soldier rapes a civilian they should be punished. When a soldier tortures a civilian, they should be punished. When a soldier kills someone who is defenseless when they could imprison them, they should be punished.

Why haven't you taken such a fierce moral position when the enemy is beheading innocents?

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: Carbo

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Carbo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Carbo
It's a damn war. He was an enemy combatant on the battlefield. He deserved death.

Ask John McCain about that!

John McCain was a POW for, what, five years? Is that a fate worse than death? I daresay man would say so. If your argument is that torture is OK, fine, let's torture the enemy instead. Oh, wait, we can't. That isn't politically correct, and it upsets the bleeding hearts.

Politically correct or not, we've already tortured Iraqis, whether 'enemy combatants' or just some guy picked up in a 3AM raid. Even considering the shortness of the neocon attention span, I can't believe you've forgotten Abu Ghraib already.

No, I recall Abu Ghraib qutie well. I think now what I thought the day the story broke. "So what?" I'll say it again. It's a damn war and soldiers are fighting for their lives. The mentality quickly becomes kill or be killed. Now, I know the PC elitists want to believe the world is all butterflies and roses and equality for all, but it just ain't so.
Yes, we have tortured and killed our enemies, in this war and every other. Every one of our enemies has done the same. Homo sapiens is violent. War is nasty.

Iraq was an unprovoked attack on what was basically a defenseless nation. The US attack on Fallujah, where civilians trying to escape the US designated battlefield were turned back by US troops, isn't the battlefield you describe. No soldiers were fighting for their lives as they tortured Iraqis in the same prison Saddam used to torture Iraqis.

And it wasn't "PC elitists" who told America the world would be all butterflies and roses when we invaded Iraq. That would be the Bush administration.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
How do you know he deserved death? How do you know that he was an enemy combatant?

The thing is - we don't...yet - and neither do any of you. But hey...he's(the Marine) already tried and convicted in the minds of some here.

CsG

Well it seems the soldiers was the judge jury and executure so I don't think he will mind if a few people on the internet assume he is guility.

:thumbsup:

I'll remember this next time a support our troops question pops up...

CsG

 

[BBond]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
How do you know he deserved death? How do you know that he was an enemy combatant?

The thing is - we don't...yet - and neither do any of you. But hey...he's(the Marine) already tried and convicted in the minds of some here.

CsG

Well it seems the soldiers was the judge jury and executure so I don't think he will mind if a few people on the internet assume he is guility.

:thumbsup:

I'll remember this next time a support our troops question pops up...

CsG

I'll remember this the next time a cold blooded murder question pops up...

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: Carbo
Why haven't you taken such a fierce moral position when the enemy is beheading innocents?

:roll: You're just gonna' go through all the fanboi arguments aren't you?

Why don't I? Because I don't run into people on this board that argue that the beheadings are cool and totally understandable.

 

[Carbo]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Carbo

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: Carbo

Originally posted by: dahunan

Originally posted by: Carbo
It's a damn war. He was an enemy combatant on the battlefield. He deserved death.

Ask John McCain about that!

John McCain was a POW for, what, five years? Is that a fate worse than death? I daresay man would say so. If your argument is that torture is OK, fine, let's torture the enemy instead. Oh, wait, we can't. That isn't politically correct, and it upsets the bleeding hearts.

Politically correct or not, we've already tortured Iraqis, whether 'enemy combatants' or just some guy picked up in a 3AM raid. Even considering the shortness of the neocon attention span, I can't believe you've forgotten Abu Ghraib already.

No, I recall Abu Ghraib qutie well. I think now what I thought the day the story broke. "So what?" I'll say it again. It's a damn war and soldiers are fighting for their lives. The mentality quickly becomes kill or be killed. Now, I know the PC elitists want to believe the world is all butterflies and roses and equality for all, but it just ain't so.
Yes, we have tortured and killed our enemies, in this war and every other. Every one of our enemies has done the same. Homo sapiens is violent. War is nasty.

Iraq was an unprovoked attack on what was basically a defenseless nation. The US attack on Fallujah, where civilians trying to escape the US designated battlefield were turned back by US troops, isn't the battlefield you describe. No soldiers were fighting for their lives as they tortured Iraqis in the same prison Saddam used to torture Iraqis.

And it wasn't "PC elitists" who told America the world would be all butterflies and roses when we invaded Iraq. That would be the Bush administration.

Your naivete is endearing, but I'm goin' to have sex with the Mrs. now. In the meantime, let's agree to disagree, and I part by saying stop at nothing until the enemy is eradicated. Completely and permanently eradicated.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: BBond

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
How do you know he deserved death? How do you know that he was an enemy combatant?

The thing is - we don't...yet - and neither do any of you. But hey...he's(the Marine) already tried and convicted in the minds of some here.

CsG

Well it seems the soldiers was the judge jury and executure so I don't think he will mind if a few people on the internet assume he is guility.

:thumbsup:

I'll remember this next time a support our troops question pops up...

CsG

I'll remember this the next time a cold blooded murder question pops up...

Sure, you can remember that I said : "The thing is - we don't...yet - and neither do any of you. But hey...he's(the Marine) already tried and convicted in the minds of some here."

🙂

CsG

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I'll remember this next time a support our troops question pops up...

CsG

Supporting our troops doesn't mean allowing them to commit atrocities.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I'll remember this next time a support our troops question pops up...

CsG

Supporting our troops doesn't mean allowing them to commit atrocities.

I never said it did.

CsG

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I'll remember this next time a support our troops question pops up...

CsG

Supporting our troops doesn't mean allowing them to commit atrocities.

I never said it did.

CsG

You suggested Spencer728 wasn't supporting our troops were you not?

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I'll remember this next time a support our troops question pops up...

CsG

Supporting our troops doesn't mean allowing them to commit atrocities.

I never said it did.

CsG

You suggested Spencer728 wasn't supporting our troops were you not?

Ah, how quickly you forget what was said...

Here it is again since you seem to have fogotten:

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: Spencer278

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk
How do you know he deserved death? How do you know that he was an enemy combatant?

The thing is - we don't...yet - and neither do any of you. But hey...he's(the Marine) already tried and convicted in the minds of some here.

CsG

Well it seems the soldiers was the judge jury and executure so I don't think he will mind if a few people on the internet assume he is guility.

:thumbsup:

CsG

 

[Aimster]

You ask why Al Jazerra is there. To show the Arabs over and over and over and over and over this tape. It's the top of the news over there. Do you blame them? It is the top of the news here too.

This soldier is going to get found guilty and punished. I don't see how he cannot. This doesn't mean all marines are this way. Lots of marines join the service for a great future and to help this country. Some join just to kill and take out their hate. Maybe he was one of them.

I never been in combat. I'm assuming while you are fighting nothing is clicking. You cannot think that you just killed someone. Maybe when you sit down and think about it you will be like "OH CRAP I just killed someone".

He made a mistake. His career is over.

Don't generalize all marines like this. If I was in their shoes who knows what I'd do. It's a war.

This marine should just get discharged and he should find another career. He shouldn't serve time unless they can prove he is full of hate and his hate is what caused this to happen.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

We certainly don't know the entire context of this clip, but on its face it appears to be murder, and a violation of the law of war. One wonders how often similar things happen, but are not videotaped - in any case, I'd expect to see the Marine taken to a General Court-Martial.

 

[Infohawk]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I didn't forget. I was asking whether you suggested whether spencer was not supporting our troops. Stop obfuscating. Spencer's quote is not inconsistent with supporting our troops. This is like your good teacher comment. In context it doesn't have many other meanings. Here you seem to be suggesting he was not supporting the troops. If not, it's not clear what you were saying.

 

[conjur]

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: Infohawk

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

I'll remember this next time a support our troops question pops up...

CsG

Supporting our troops doesn't mean allowing them to commit atrocities.

I never said it did.

CsG

You suggested Spencer728 wasn't supporting our troops were you not?

That's exactly was CsG was implying despite his protestations. CsG is the king at obfuscation and twisting even his own words around to suit his agenda.

 

[BBond]

The point is, Arabs are going to see this as another example of Americans, who claim to be bringing 'freedom and democracy' to Iraq, slaughtering Arabs. Period.

And by the time the truth comes out about what transpired in Fallujah, Arabs will have evidence of Americans slaughtering Arabs many more times over.