Limbaugh title edited for those who need it.

[Ornery]

He doesn't need defending, but WinstonSmith needs to STFU.

Edit: I gotta see why Limbaugh pisses off liberals so much:

• Rush's First 35 Undeniable Truths of Life (1988)
  
  #1: The greatest threat to humanity lies in the nuclear arsenal of the USSR. Agree
  
  #2: The greatest threat to humanity lies in the USSR. Agree
  
  #3: Peace does not mean the elimination of nuclear weapons. Agree
  
  #4: Peace does not mean the absence of war. Agree
  
  #5: War is not obsolete. Agree
  
  #6: Ours is a world governed by the aggressive use of force. Agree
  
  #7: There is only one way to get rid of nuclear weapons - use them.
  
  #8: Peace can't be achieved by "developing an understanding" with the Russian people. Agree
  
  #9: When Americans oppose America, it is not always courageous and sacred; it is sometimes dangerous. Agree
  
  #10: Communism Kills. Agree
  
  #11: Neither the US, nor anyone, imposes freedom on peoples of other nations. Agree
  
  #12: Freedom is God given. Agree
  
  #13: In the USSR, peace means the absence of opposition. Agree
  
  #14: To free peoples, peace means the absence of threats and the presence of justice. Agree
  
  #15: The Peace Movement in the US - whether by accident or design - is pro-Communist.
  
  #16: The collective knowledge and wisdom of seasoned citizens is the most valuable - yet untapped - resource our young-people have.
  
  #17: The greatest football team in the history of civilization is the Pittsburgh Steelers of 1975-1980.
  
  #18: There is no such thing as war atrocities.
  
  #19: There are no such things as "war atrocities." War itself is an atrocity.
  
  #20: There is a God.
  
  #21: Abortion is wrong. Agree
  
  #22: Morality is not defined and cannot be defined by individual choice.
  
  #23: Evolution cannot explain Creation.
  
  #24: Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access to the mainstream of society.
  
  #25: Love is the only human emotion that cannot be controlled.
  
  #26: The only difference between Mikhail Gorbachev and previous Soviet leaders, is that Gorbachev is alive. Agree
  
  #27: Soviet Leaders are just left-wing dictators.
  
  #28: Abe Lincoln saved this nation.
  
  #29: The L.A. Raiders will never be the team that they were when they called Oakland home.
  
  #30: The US will again go to war. Agree
  
  #31: To more and more people, a victorious US is a sinful US. Agree
  
  #32: This is frightening and ominous. Agree
  
  #33: There will always be poor people. Agree
  
  #34: This is not the fault of the rich. Agree
  
  #35: You should thank God for making you an American; and instead of feeling guilty about it, help spread our ideas worldwide. Agree
  
  
  Rush's Second 35 (1994)
  
  #1: There is a distinct singular American culture - rugged individualism and self-reliance - which made America great. Agree
  
  #2: The vast majority of the rich in this country did not inherit their wealth; they earned it. They are the country's achievers, producers, and job creators. Agree
  
  #3: No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity. Agree
  
  #4: Evidence refutes liberalism.
  
  #5: There is no such thing as a New Democrat.
  
  #6: The Earth's eco-system is not fragile.
  
  #7: Character matters; leadership descends from character. Agree
  
  #8: The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you cut it down.
  
  #9: Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of the twentieth century.
  
  #10: The 1980s was not a decade of greed but a decade of prosperity - it was the longest period of peacetime growth in American history. Agree
  
  #11: Abstinence prevents sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy - every time it's tried. Agree
  
  #12: Condoms only work during the school year.
  
  #13: Poverty is not the root ("rut") cause of crime. Agree
  
  #14: There's a simple way to solve the crime problem: obey the law; punish those who do not. Agree
  
  #15: If you commit a crime, you are guilty. Agree
  
  #16: Women should not be allowed on juries where the accused is a stud. Agree
  
  #17: The way to improve schools is not more money. It's introduction of moral and spiritual values, as well as the "4 R's": reading, 'riting, 'rithmatic, and Rush. Agree
  
  #18: I am not arrogant.
  
  #19: My first 35 Undeniable Truths are still undeniably true.
  
  #20: There is a God.
  
  #21: There is something wrong when critics say the problem with America is too much religion.
  
  #22: Morality is not defined by individual choice.
  
  #23: The only way liberals win national elections is by pretending they're not liberals. Agree
  
  #24: Feminism was established as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society.
  
  #25: Follow the money. When somebody says, "It's not the money," it's always the money. Agree
  
  #26: Liberals attempt through judicial activism what they cannot win at the ballot box. Agree
  
  #27: Using federal dollars as a measure, our cities have not been neglected, but poisoned with welfare dependency funds. Agree
  
  #28: Progress is not striving for economic justice or fairness, but economic growth. Agree
  
  #29: Liberals measure compassion by how many people are given welfare. Conservatives measure compassion by how many people no longer need it. Agree
  
  #30: Compassion is no substitute for justice. Agree
  
  #31: The culture war is between the winners and those who think they're losers who want to become winners. The losers think the only way they can become winners is by banding together all the losers and then empowering a leader of the losers to make things right for them. Agree
  
  #32: The Los Angeles riots were not caused by the Rodney King verdict. The Los Angeles riots were caused by rioters. Agree
  
  #33: You could afford your house without your government - if it weren't for your government.
  
  #34: Words mean things. Agree
  
  #35: Too many Americans can't laugh at themselves anymore.

I agree with most, and have to think more about the rest. I'd agree with those particular statements, whether they came from Rush, Hillary or Wadunug!

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well Ornery, you have missed the point of the post entirely. I had been warned that comprehension skills would get this kind of response.

WinstonSmiths Undeniable truths

The Rich as a whole get better treatment.

The Poor are more likely to suffer harsher punishment.

NEITHER OUGHT TO DO TIME.

What you failed to grasp was that Rush has avenues availible to him most of us do not. Rush's family will not go hungry as a result, or be financially ruined.

Have reading skills gone downhill that much since I was in school?


If you had used your elementary school comprehension skills you would have seen that in the second part of the post addresses mechanisms that could benefit everyone.

Rush only admitted to this once he was caught. Well, I really don't give a rats behind, because he still should be allowed treatment, and not punishment for simple addiction. Those less well off should too.


I would even say this about you, if you had this problem. Now go back to thinking this is a Rush bash.

You want to turn this into a hate fest. Liberal vs. Conservative.

If you bothered to read my comments about Rush in the other forum, I advocated mercy. Evidently this is not a Conservative value.

Please don't STFU, because you are a glowing example I can point out of what is wrong with people who have your attitude.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Ornery
He doesn't need defending, but WinstonSmith needs to STFU.

Edit: I gotta see why Limbaugh pisses off liberals so much:

• Rush's First 35 Undeniable Truths of Life (1988)
  
  #1: The greatest threat to humanity lies in the nuclear arsenal of the USSR. Agree
  
  #2: The greatest threat to humanity lies in the USSR. Agree
  
  #3: Peace does not mean the elimination of nuclear weapons. Agree
  
  #4: Peace does not mean the absence of war. Agree
  
  #5: War is not obsolete. Agree
  
  #6: Ours is a world governed by the aggressive use of force. Agree
  
  #7: There is only one way to get rid of nuclear weapons - use them.
  
  #8: Peace can't be achieved by "developing an understanding" with the Russian people. Agree
  
  #9: When Americans oppose America, it is not always courageous and sacred; it is sometimes dangerous. Agree
  
  #10: Communism Kills. Agree
  
  #11: Neither the US, nor anyone, imposes freedom on peoples of other nations. Agree
  
  #12: Freedom is God given. Agree
  
  #13: In the USSR, peace means the absence of opposition. Agree
  
  #14: To free peoples, peace means the absence of threats and the presence of justice. Agree
  
  #15: The Peace Movement in the US - whether by accident or design - is pro-Communist.
  
  #16: The collective knowledge and wisdom of seasoned citizens is the most valuable - yet untapped - resource our young-people have.
  
  #17: The greatest football team in the history of civilization is the Pittsburgh Steelers of 1975-1980.
  
  #18: There is no such thing as war atrocities.
  
  #19: There are no such things as "war atrocities." War itself is an atrocity.
  
  #20: There is a God.
  
  #21: Abortion is wrong. Agree
  
  #22: Morality is not defined and cannot be defined by individual choice.
  
  #23: Evolution cannot explain Creation.
  
  #24: Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access to the mainstream of society.
  
  #25: Love is the only human emotion that cannot be controlled.
  
  #26: The only difference between Mikhail Gorbachev and previous Soviet leaders, is that Gorbachev is alive. Agree
  
  #27: Soviet Leaders are just left-wing dictators.
  
  #28: Abe Lincoln saved this nation.
  
  #29: The L.A. Raiders will never be the team that they were when they called Oakland home.
  
  #30: The US will again go to war. Agree
  
  #31: To more and more people, a victorious US is a sinful US. Agree
  
  #32: This is frightening and ominous. Agree
  
  #33: There will always be poor people. Agree
  
  #34: This is not the fault of the rich. Agree
  
  #35: You should thank God for making you an American; and instead of feeling guilty about it, help spread our ideas worldwide. Agree
  
  
  Rush's Second 35 (1994)
  
  #1: There is a distinct singular American culture - rugged individualism and self-reliance - which made America great. Agree
  
  #2: The vast majority of the rich in this country did not inherit their wealth; they earned it. They are the country's achievers, producers, and job creators. Agree
  
  #3: No nation has ever taxed itself into prosperity. Agree
  
  #4: Evidence refutes liberalism.
  
  #5: There is no such thing as a New Democrat.
  
  #6: The Earth's eco-system is not fragile.
  
  #7: Character matters; leadership descends from character. Agree
  
  #8: The most beautiful thing about a tree is what you do with it after you cut it down.
  
  #9: Ronald Reagan was the greatest president of the twentieth century.
  
  #10: The 1980s was not a decade of greed but a decade of prosperity - it was the longest period of peacetime growth in American history. Agree
  
  #11: Abstinence prevents sexually transmitted diseases and pregnancy - every time it's tried. Agree
  
  #12: Condoms only work during the school year.
  
  #13: Poverty is not the root ("rut") cause of crime. Agree
  
  #14: There's a simple way to solve the crime problem: obey the law; punish those who do not. Agree
  
  #15: If you commit a crime, you are guilty. Agree
  
  #16: Women should not be allowed on juries where the accused is a stud. Agree
  
  #17: The way to improve schools is not more money. It's introduction of moral and spiritual values, as well as the "4 R's": reading, 'riting, 'rithmatic, and Rush. Agree
  
  #18: I am not arrogant.
  
  #19: My first 35 Undeniable Truths are still undeniably true.
  
  #20: There is a God.
  
  #21: There is something wrong when critics say the problem with America is too much religion.
  
  #22: Morality is not defined by individual choice.
  
  #23: The only way liberals win national elections is by pretending they're not liberals. Agree
  
  #24: Feminism was established as to allow unattractive women easier access to the mainstream of society.
  
  #25: Follow the money. When somebody says, "It's not the money," it's always the money. Agree
  
  #26: Liberals attempt through judicial activism what they cannot win at the ballot box. Agree
  
  #27: Using federal dollars as a measure, our cities have not been neglected, but poisoned with welfare dependency funds. Agree
  
  #28: Progress is not striving for economic justice or fairness, but economic growth. Agree
  
  #29: Liberals measure compassion by how many people are given welfare. Conservatives measure compassion by how many people no longer need it. Agree
  
  #30: Compassion is no substitute for justice. Agree
  
  #31: The culture war is between the winners and those who think they're losers who want to become winners. The losers think the only way they can become winners is by banding together all the losers and then empowering a leader of the losers to make things right for them. Agree
  
  #32: The Los Angeles riots were not caused by the Rodney King verdict. The Los Angeles riots were caused by rioters. Agree
  
  #33: You could afford your house without your government - if it weren't for your government.
  
  #34: Words mean things. Agree
  
  #35: Too many Americans can't laugh at themselves anymore.

I agree with most, and have to think more about the rest. I'd agree with those particular statements, whether they came from Rush, Hillary or Wadunug!

The #1 truth about Limbaugh is that he is a Hypocritical Blowhard who now has no credibility!

 

[Ornery]

""What will probably happen points out, the inequities of society and the justice system when dealing with the ?commoners? (most of us) and the aristocracy (Rush, other celebs., and the wealthy in general)."

Did you write that or not?

You were saying?

"The #1 truth about Limbaugh is that he is a Hypiciral Blowhard who now has no credibility!"

I take it you disagree with those statements?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Ornery
""What will probably happen points out, the inequities of society and the justice system when dealing with the ?commoners? (most of us) and the aristocracy (Rush, other celebs., and the wealthy in general)."

Did you write that or not?

You were saying?

"The #1 truth about Limbaugh is that he is a Hypiciral Blowhard who now has no credibility!"

I take it you disagree with those statements?

Some of them

 

[Moonbeam]

Ornery likes to go off half cocked.
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Tcsenter:

Quoting Winston

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Rush now has something in common with the lowest, dirtiest junkie on the street. Because he is clean not dirty, powerful and not subject to draconian zero tolerance work policies, wealthy and not a poor single mother, famous and not a nameless face lying in a cardboard box in the back of an alley, changes nothing at all.
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Sure, and I have numerous things in common with Hitler. I have hair, I wear shoes, I have likes and dislikes, I go places and do things, I read and write, all of which Hitler did, too. Because I haven't directed the genocide of a few million people, changes nothing at all. Hitler and I are the same.

You the one drinking the sterno? You tired to pass this joke logic as if you had a case. You tried to equate someone saying 'having something in common' with someone saying they 'were the same', all the while huffing and puffing about another's lack of logical skills. Nice try, but you are what you complained about. Sterno says nothing, just a gratuitous insult.

 

[Geekbabe]

I would hope that at the very least Rush will become an advocate for offering addictions treatment to any person who requires it.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Ornery
""What will probably happen points out, the inequities of society and the justice system when dealing with the ?commoners? (most of us) and the aristocracy (Rush, other celebs., and the wealthy in general)."

Did you write that or not?

You were saying?

"The #1 truth about Limbaugh is that he is a Hypiciral Blowhard who now has no credibility!"

I take it you disagree with those statements?

Of course I said that. It happens to be true. Do you think you could beat your woman, get arrested for crack, and be back on the street as easily as some basketball star?

 

[Ornery]

Federal Grant Supports Addiction Treatment

Federal Funding for Addiction Prevention, Treatment and Rehabilitation

Finding and Paying for Addiction Treatment Services in Your Community

When you have a limited budget, your sources for help will also be limited. We've got a safety net in place, that is VERY expensive already, and being abused on top of that. Nothing will make our liberal Democrat brothers happy, short of a whole new Share The Wealth pile of social programs.


"Of course I said that. It happens to be true. Do you think you could beat your woman, get arrested for crack, and be back on the street as easily as some basketball star?"

Very good, change the subject. That always works.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Ornery
Federal Grant Supports Addiction Treatment

Federal Funding for Addiction Prevention, Treatment and Rehabilitation

Finding and Paying for Addiction Treatment Services in Your Community

When you have a limited budget, your sources for help will also be limited. We've got a safety net in place, that is VERY expensive already, and being abused on top of that. Nothing will make our liberal Democrat brothers happy, short of a whole new Share The Wealth pile of social programs.


"Of course I said that. It happens to be true. Do you think you could beat your woman, get arrested for crack, and be back on the street as easily as some basketball star?"

Very good, change the subject. That always works.

Hell, you dont even know what the subject is.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Ornery
"Rush was caught. Perhaps not in the act. How often is anyone caught in the act? Seldom! There is at least some credible evidence that he procured illicit drugs. He is a criminal if this is true. But, he has the bucks and the Royalty on his side..."

If you don't get busted, you don't do time, or even go to court for that matter. That goes for everybody, rich or poor, right or left, famous or infamous.

Then it follows; if he gets charged, convicted and all that he should suffer the same pain as Joe Commoner.. With which I agree.

 

[LunarRay]

Originally posted by: Geekbabe
I would hope that at the very least Rush will become an advocate for offering addictions treatment to any person who requires it.

After two failed attempts at rehad I'd of expected him to understand the perils of addiction. After this episode at rehab and the judicial system (assuming the alligations against him are true regarding buying Rx drugs illegaly) I'd expect him to see his humaness. But, I kind of doubt it. His audience won't hear of it and he'll not moderate his stance. How could he and still be the Prince of the Ultra Right.

 

[LunarRay]

Winston,
I have found that one cannot teach a pig to fly... It only frustrates you and ticks off the pig.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Winston,
I have found that one cannot teach a pig to fly... It only frustrates you and ticks off the pig.

LOL, I'll remember that.

 

[Gravity]

I couldn't read it and I'm a ditto head. I prolly would have listend to it but can't read all that.

Sorry

Gravity

 

[Moonbeam]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: LunarRay
Winston,
I have found that one cannot teach a pig to fly... It only frustrates you and ticks off the pig.

LOL, I'll remember that.

This may help.

 

[MrColin]

What we have learned so far then is that if Winston wants to get any message across to our representatives he must learn to be more concise.

 

[tcsenter]

The one presumes, I suppose, that it is the physician who is at fault for not solving the cause of Rush's pain and the subsequent issue of Rx to moderate the pain which then induced Rush to become addicted and the fault of the 'common' person suffering physical and or emotional pain and the failure of someone to remedy it and the addiction to moderating substances of these street urchins to ease their 'pain' circumstances.

I don't know how I forgot about this thread. Sorry for the late response....

There are several issues here that are being 'glossed over' or entirely ignored.

First, nobody would be facing prosecution in Rush's shoes. An admission of guilt for most crimes alone is not sufficient to file charges and bring to trial. Rush was not caught, unlike all the poor meth addicts whose plight Winston laments. Had he been caught, his situation would be different.

I have driven while intoxicated but didn't get caught. That doesn't mean those who do get caught don't deserve to be prosecuted because I wasn't. Had I been caught, I would have been prosecuted, too. No free passes here. I was lucky.

Contrary to Winston's class-warfare mentality, the vast majority of people found to be unlawfully buying regulated substances are not thrown in prison for their first, second, or even third offenses, regardless of their affluence, particularly if their dependency resulted from a legitimate use of the drug.

Offenses relating to abuse of controlled substances are treated more lenient than proscribed substances due to the regulated legality of controlled substances and the known risk of dependency through legitimate use. There are extremely few legitimate uses of proscribed substances and as such all risk of use is born 100% by the user's own personal negligence.

Rush is paying for his own treatment. He can also afford to have heart surgery performed by a leading US cardiovascular surgeon. That does not mean everyone on welfare should then enjoy the same access to a leading US cardiovascular surgeon. While Rush would be in the hospital post-surgery, he can afford a private room, a private chef to prepare his meals, and a private masseuse. That does not mean every homeless drunk with a bum ticker should then have private rooms and chefs and massages on demand. Rush can also afford a top private attorney. That does not mean every criminal should be appointed a top private attorney as their public defender.

I am not unsympathetic to addiction. I became addicted to Vicodin after having it prescribed for a shoulder injury. I am among that subset of the population who experiences a very pleasing but highly functional euphoric effect from opiates with none of the undesirable side-effects (nausea, dizzyness, malaise), and thus I am at risk for opiate addiction. I realized early that I was more attracted to the feeling of well-being than the pain relief, as the majority of people who become addicted to prescribed pain killers admit realizing very early on.

Then my physician cut me off and would only prescribe Darvocet. When I began to think of dishonest ways that I could procure Vicodin, I realized I had a problem. I made the choice to walk away from it and I did just that. It wasn't easy, but I had made a decision.

I was recently diagnosed with a severe sleep disorder from which I had been suffering for ten years before seeking professional help, which I only sought out of sheer desperation after the effects of the disorder devastated my life personally and professionally. My treating physician asked whether I resorted to self-medication through illegal drugs such as cocaine or amphetamine to combat my symptoms. Because attempts to self-medicate are rather prevalent among those who have this disorder, dependency and addiction are often compounding problems to successful diagnosis and treatment.

My answer was no. He was interested in the reason I did not turn to drugs given how severely this disorder had affected every aspect of my life. My answer was that, although I had no clue what the solution to my problem was, I knew what the solution to my problem was not.

Resorting to illegal drugs was unacceptable to me no matter how desperate I was. That was my own free choice to make. For others, resorting to illegal drugs is an acceptable option. That is their own free choice make. I accept responsibility for my choices, you accept responsibility for your choices.

The suggestion that the only reason people are attracted to illegal drugs is a need to self-medicate some "physical and or emotional pain" is bunk. Don't throw snowballs at snowmen. I am very familiar with the drug culture and the purely recreational reasons why the vast majority of people decide to use drugs. I was an active member of that culture until I decided to grow up.

 

[Red Dawn]

Rush is probably fiending like a Mofo about right now!