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Hayabusa Rider

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why is it that a snappy title gets read more than one with a less inflammatory one?

Edited for who needs it. No, it isnt about Rush and a crack whore.




Every now and again, something happens to draw attention to an issue which should have been dealt with long ago, but falls below the threshold for national recognition and action. Drug use and addiction are such issues.

For purposes of this post, I choose to emphasize the addiction side and its implication for individuals and society.

Recap:
Rush became addicted to pain killers, and as a result has committed a crime. Seeking controlled substances to satisfy addiction in itself is a crime. Going to illicit sources to obtain them is another violation of law. There is no question on this. What he admits to is illegal.

Now, this raises the issue as to what to do about it. This is a crime potentially punishable in most states by a stay in jail.

Will Rush do time? Unlikely, as most states are lenient for first offenses. Buying controlled substances is another matter though, and what happens as a result is another matter.

What will probably happen points out, the inequities of society and the justice system when dealing with the ?commoners? (most of us) and the aristocracy (Rush, other celebs., and the wealthy in general).

In dealing with the ?important? members of society, judges have the tendency to look the other way. Notice the number of professional athletes who repeatedly break the law for drug offenses (and violent crimes of all kinds). Except for the most egregious cases, they are returned to their pitching or tackling or basket shooting career perhaps with a token fine, and maybe a dire warning about what happens if they do this again. Of course when that happens, he gets a token fine, and maybe a dire warning about what happens if they do this again. Of course the next time? Well you get the idea. Further, Rush gets to check into the best treatment centers money can buy. Most others are not so lucky.

Now, Joe Average gets busted for pot. Usually he gets a fine (proportionately more severe), perhaps community service and a dire warning. If he comes before that judge again, does he get the same thing? Well, maybe, but the chances are that he will be in big trouble with the court. If he has a serious addiction, is the quality of treatment anywhere near that provided to Hollywood? I don?t think so. He or she would be lucky to get anything at all. Oh and they just might get fired too.

Where is the justice in this unequal treatment based on status? I know some will say that it has been that way since the beginning of crime and punishment. That is very true. Beating spouses was always an acceptable way of life, slavery was a viable economic and social system. Duels, dangerous child labor, all these things have always been around.

None of those things is acceptable today. Because a thing has ?always? been done, does not mean that it must. Only de facto approval by us allows it. Like Nancy Reagan said, just say no.

There is also unequal application of justice in society that goes beyond the courtroom and it starts with peoples attitudes. How many defend Rush, citing his acceptance of responsibility, mitigating circumstances etc, who were only too glad, and may still be, to tear into blacks and ?white trash? who find themselves addicted? Let?s look at this a little.
Regarding taking the blame, what does that really mean? Anyone can commit murder and say they accept responsibility. What does his Mea Culpa mean? A loss of face and time. Those so inclined will be eager to forgive him. He will not lose his customer base, and in the long run is not likely to suffer financially. Oh the sponsors can withdraw their support, but let me know when this happens and he goes off the air. Most likely they too realize that once a dittohead, always a dittohead. Those people are still going to be just as susceptible to their advertising as they were before. Will he be held accountable though? I mean in a way that creates a problem severe enough to keep him from putting bread on his table? No.

Does Rush advocate ?zero tolerance? work requirements, ones that would result in the termination of employment? I don?t know if he does or not. If so, then he ought to retire. ?Punish the workers, but let me redeem myself? is not justice.

Now, there is a point where impairment becomes a problem, where it presents a danger to others or interferes with performance in a tangible way. I understand that cannot be allowed. I understand that tolerance can only go so far. If one chooses not to use rehab, or if for some reason they fail utterly, they cannot be allowed to inflict themselves on others. We ought to do whatever is in our power to prevent worst case scenarios.

Rush now has something in common with the lowest, dirtiest junkie on the street. Because he is clean not dirty, powerful and not subject to draconian zero tolerance work policies, wealthy and not a poor single mother, famous and not a nameless face lying in a cardboard box in the back of an alley, changes nothing at all.

So, what do we do about drug addiction? We have few choices.

First, do nothing. Let everything go on as it is. Rush gets a pass, and perhaps a family member of yours gets fired and his family placed at risk for losing their home, and the means to put food on the table. What the heck, we are good at ignoring the homeless as it is. We can ignore more families on the street. Not an acceptable option to me.

Assuming you want something constructive to come about, what to do? How could Rush/single mom/street person be helped?



First, change your attitude if it needs adjustment.
Think of drug dependency as a problem, not a crime. Problems can have solutions. Punishment is the failure to find a way out. Turning the key and locking up the ?problem? is the ultimate failure. Give a damn.

Second, extend this to the workplace.
People hide problems that will get them in trouble. It certainly does not do a company good to have a policy that only uncovers a problem after a potentially serious accident. Policies and procedures need to be established, AND FOLLOWED, in letter and spirit, at helping workers, and with employee retention being a key goal.

Third, criminal law reform.
Stop sending people to jail for simple drug addiction. That means anyone. If punishment is something the judge feels useful, then there is plenty of roads with trash that needs to be picked up. Make sure that Rush gets to wear his safety orange and work alongside of Joe American too. Social or financial standing must not influence punishment.

Fourth, civil law reform.
Since conscience rarely influences business, legislation ought to be enacted to ensure appropriate action on the part of employers. There needs to be a clearly laid out set of actions and consequences for both employers and employees that are universal. A ?roadmap? if you will. Workers get paid leave, and a guarantee of their job upon return. Upon successful treatment, and a probationary period, they become reinstated without prejudice. Penalties to the business for failure to comply are draconian, and target the offenders personally. Shareholders need not pay the price for this indiscretion of management. On the other side of it, there are advantages for the company. They can identify a problem, and do something about it. There would be specific requirements the employee must meet. At the end of a definite period of time, the employer either gets a worker better able to work, or gets rid of a problem.

Is this going to cost the company money? Yes it is. It can be mitigated in whole or part by what I will call progressive tax benefits.
Currently there are tax breaks that are completely ridiculous. For example, Marriot (the hotel chain) got more than 100 million off its tax bill last year with just one deduction. What was it? Alternative energy research! Huh? Well, it turns out that the tax code provides for ?developing alternate energy sources?. What the tax code does not do is lay out what the requirements are, or even what constitutes research. It does not need to pass any sort of real world test for merit or results. If Marriot buys into a group that takes coal and adds something (virtually anything) they then can claim something like 2000% of that value off its taxes. Good return on investment, eh? There are hotel chains, Midwestern hardware stores, restaurant franchises, all taking advantage of this ?research?. There are other loopholes in use too.
Stop that. Instead, give a 110% tax credit on the cost of wages, lost production and quality treatment programs. This gives an incentive to the business to participate, and the penalties for fraud are again remarkably harsh to prevent abuse.

Programs for the unemployed/homeless are going to cost money too, but one needs to take a look at the costs of doing nothing as well.
Money needs to be spent on treatment, education, and financial assistance. Some people who may balk at spending public funds on social programs need to consider what that money buys. Drug abuse causes violent crime. Demand for drugs causes robberies, injury and deaths. Money then needs to be spent on law enforcement, prosecution, and incarceration of those who harm others by the profit made on addiction. All these things are VERY expensive. If you look you will see that the swell in the prison population is largely driven by drug related crime. Add to that the financial loss of the victim, whether by direct theft or loss of income due to death or injury. Whoever employs that person may lose a good worker, and insurance needs to be paid out, adding to the total. All of this is fantastically expensive, and I am just talking money. The personal suffering of all involved should be painfully obvious.

Now, back to Rush. He has focused the public attention for an ever so brief moment on this serious and universal problem. People in power may listen for a little while.

If you agree this is a problem worth tackling, then what to do?

Go back to my first suggestion. Change your attitude, but not just about addiction, but about effectively speaking up. I have taken my suggestions and am sending them to my state and federal representatives. I am doing the same with the Democratic candidates, and even the White House. Will anyone look at what I have to say? Someone just might. People talk about the need to vote. Truthfully those who can should, but that is just the most basic level of participation in our representative democracy. Write letters to senators, congressmen, businesses, whoever has authority to act.
So what if a politician you like gets elected if they hear only the voice of the few? Add yours and it may be heard.

From adversity comes opportunity. We should act now, with constructive purpose.






 

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It's about drug addiction as it is perceived and dealt with, and suggestions for change.
 

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
It's about drug addiction as it is perceived and dealt with, and suggestions for change.
Yes it is, but you have severely challenged the attention span of many.

Good read.
Did you write that, or is it a compendium of other sources?

 

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Originally posted by: JosephSaint
What is it about afterall?

Basically he is lobbying for Rush to get the severest penalties allowed for offenses committed as a result of his addiction to prescription painkillers prescribed by his doctor several years ago after an unsuccessful back surgery to relieve the pain. Winston may have couched it in nicer terms and even blew some smoke about reforming the laws about drug abuse and he even threw in something about setting treatment programs for those who do not have the resources of most celebrities. Make no mistake though He is shooting to see Limbaugh go down in a ball of flame over this.

First rule of partisonship: Kick em when they are down

 

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Originally posted by: Cyberian
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
It's about drug addiction as it is perceived and dealt with, and suggestions for change.
Yes it is, but you have severely challenged the attention span of many.

Good read.
Did you write that, or is it a compendium of other sources?

I would have to take credit or blame for it. They are my thoughts.
 

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For those of you who are hoping to see Rush "go down in a ball of flames", I must ask you this: would you feel the same way if you saw a bum smoking crack in an alley? What about other celebrities? Would you even care about this situation if it were someone less famous, a local radio personality who is less controversial, perhaps?
I am not a Rush-apologist, I am not a Republican nor a conservative (nor a Democrat nor a liberal for that matter) so please don't accuse me of politicizing the issue. I am simply advocating having more empathy for your fellow man. Put yourself in a man's shoes and walk in them for a mile before you judge him.
 

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I agree with you wholheartedly, something I don't always do.

I wonder how many here will see "Rush" or "Limbaugh" and react spastically, without reading what you had to say, and begin lambasting RL rather than think about what it really is you are saying.

I have always been opposed to incarceration for drug abuse and addiction. It is obviously a failed policy.

But, you have already said it and it's something to think about.
 

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Originally posted by: NesuD
Originally posted by: JosephSaint
What is it about afterall?

Basically he is lobbying for Rush to get the severest penalties allowed for offenses committed as a result of his addiction to prescription painkillers prescribed by his doctor several years ago after an unsuccessful back surgery to relieve the pain. Winston may have couched it in nicer terms and even blew some smoke about reforming the laws about drug abuse and he even threw in something about setting treatment programs for those who do not have the resources of most celebrities. Make no mistake though He is shooting to see Limbaugh go down in a ball of flame over this.

First rule of partisonship: Kick em when they are down
Did you actually read the whole post?

 

HappyPuppy

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Originally posted by: NesuD
Originally posted by: JosephSaint
What is it about afterall?

Basically he is lobbying for Rush to get the severest penalties allowed for offenses committed as a result of his addiction to prescription painkillers prescribed by his doctor several years ago after an unsuccessful back surgery to relieve the pain. Winston may have couched it in nicer terms and even blew some smoke about reforming the laws about drug abuse and he even threw in something about setting treatment programs for those who do not have the resources of most celebrities. Make no mistake though He is shooting to see Limbaugh go down in a ball of flame over this.

First rule of partisonship: Kick em when they are down


You must be reading a different post than I am. I don't see any inference to seeing Rush get slapped silly for his transgression.

Maybe read it again?

 

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You raise some good points. First off I don't think pain killer addiction is in quite the same league as recreational use of "street drugs". He was prescribed opiates by his doctors, became addicted to them while apparently under his doctors' supervision, and never stopped using them. Not to take blame away from him, but opiates are very addictive, and it could have happened to anyone. It should have been between him and his doctors. The problem is that he let it go on for, what, five years, and used illegal means of obtaining them. If he wanted to stay addicted to opiates for the rest of his life, and he could find a doctor to keep prescribing them to him, and he didn't have to steal to pay for them, I wouldn't have a problem with it, as long as I never had to pay for it in any way. I don't know to what extent he broke the law. As far as I know he's just a guy who got addicted to drugs his doctors prescribed him, and the situation got out of hand. I don't think anyone in his situation (as I know it) should do jail time, or even public service. I view addiction in this case as more of a personal problem than a matter for the courts. Whatever steps someone in a situation like this wants to take to rid himself of this personal problem of his are up to him, since it's not my problem, and I don't think I should have to pay for it.

Oh, if it matters, I'm pretty conservative, but Rush is a pimple on the ass of America. I always viewed him more as an entertainer, and never really took him seriously.
 

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Originally posted by: lirion
You raise some good points. First off I don't think pain killer addiction is in quite the same league as recreational use of "street drugs". He was prescribed opiates by his doctors, became addicted to them while apparently under his doctors' supervision, and never stopped using them. Not to take blame away from him, but opiates are very addictive, and it could have happened to anyone. It should have been between him and his doctors. The problem is that he let it go on for, what, five years, and used illegal means of obtaining them. If he wanted to stay addicted to opiates for the rest of his life, and he could find a doctor to keep prescribing them to him, and he didn't have to steal to pay for them, I wouldn't have a problem with it, as long as I never had to pay for it in any way. I don't know to what extent he broke the law. As far as I know he's just a guy who got addicted to drugs his doctors prescribed him, and the situation got out of hand. I don't think anyone in his situation (as I know it) should do jail time, or even public service. I view addiction in this case as more of a personal problem than a matter for the courts. Whatever steps someone in a situation like this wants to take to rid himself of this personal problem of his are up to him, since it's not my problem, and I don't think I should have to pay for it.

Oh, if it matters, I'm pretty conservative, but Rush is a pimple on the ass of America. I always viewed him more as an entertainer, and never really took him seriously.

In general terms you do pay for addiction, it is just that the costs are undocumented. The cost of crime related to addiction, to business, and insurance premiums are just a few. You pay for it. Would it not be better to prevent many of those problems? Solutions cost money too, but so does any good investment. It is what you get back that counts, and that extends to both financial and your quality of life. Frankly, you are at a far greater risk of injury due to crime related to drug use than you are to terrorism.
 

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: lirion
You raise some good points. First off I don't think pain killer addiction is in quite the same league as recreational use of "street drugs". He was prescribed opiates by his doctors, became addicted to them while apparently under his doctors' supervision, and never stopped using them. Not to take blame away from him, but opiates are very addictive, and it could have happened to anyone. It should have been between him and his doctors. The problem is that he let it go on for, what, five years, and used illegal means of obtaining them. If he wanted to stay addicted to opiates for the rest of his life, and he could find a doctor to keep prescribing them to him, and he didn't have to steal to pay for them, I wouldn't have a problem with it, as long as I never had to pay for it in any way. I don't know to what extent he broke the law. As far as I know he's just a guy who got addicted to drugs his doctors prescribed him, and the situation got out of hand. I don't think anyone in his situation (as I know it) should do jail time, or even public service. I view addiction in this case as more of a personal problem than a matter for the courts. Whatever steps someone in a situation like this wants to take to rid himself of this personal problem of his are up to him, since it's not my problem, and I don't think I should have to pay for it.

Oh, if it matters, I'm pretty conservative, but Rush is a pimple on the ass of America. I always viewed him more as an entertainer, and never really took him seriously.

In general terms you do pay for addiction, it is just that the costs are undocumented. The cost of crime related to addiction, to business, and insurance premiums are just a few. You pay for it. Would it not be better to prevent many of those problems? Solutions cost money too, but so does any good investment. It is what you get back that counts, and that extends to both financial and your quality of life. Frankly, you are at a far greater risk of injury due to crime related to drug use than you are to terrorism.



I agree that all your points are valid, but I'm not sure I come to the same conclusion after considering them. I don't think this is a problem that can be solved with more of my money. I agree that it would be better to prevent some of the problems, but at some point it becomes unfair to those footing the bill who didn't have the problem to begin with. I'm not an addict, and I don't work with addicts or hang out with addict friends. In the truest sense this is not something I should ever have to deal with by rights. What percentage of my income should go to help the addicts?

In my thought process I guess it comes down to this: Addiction is a choice. Of course nodody just wakes up one day and decides to become an addict (A la that lame 80's thing on TV, "I want to be a junky when I grow up." ;)), but becoming one is the result of certain choices a person makes. I have to believe this because if I believed that addiction was something that just befell someone randomly it wouldn't be worth getting out of bed in the morning I guess. I live with my own choices. I reap the rewards and carry the burdens of my own decisions. I wouldn't ask someone else to answer for my choices, and I don't think it's fair to ask me to answer for anyone else's. So I guess I feel that the addict should sleep in the bed he's made for himself. I know I'm a cynical bastard. Maybe I'm just bitter at life, because I also don't believe that I should be called on to house the homeless, feed the jobless, or put single mothers through college. If more of my money would solve all those problems (And I don't think it would, given our government's track record.) of course it would be a good investment for society in general. But I have as little to do with society as I can, because I'm an asshole.
 

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lirion, I see assholes every day. I do not count you among those I encounter. You have a different opinion, and one that you express in a thoughtful manner. We each see the others points, agree on some and agree to disagree on others. This is civil discourse, which I enjoy. Besides, you take killer pics :D
 

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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
lirion, I see assholes every day. I do not count you among those I encounter. You have a different opinion, and one that you express in a thoughtful manner. We each see the others points, agree on some and agree to disagree on others. This is civil discourse, which I enjoy. Besides, you take killer pics :D


No, I really am just an asshole :D