UberNeuman
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It's rather sad that some McCain supporters can't bring themselves to admit that, but rather attempt to keep distorting....
so sad...
/still never got a yes or no answer out some folks.....
It's rather sad that some McCain supporters can't bring themselves to admit that, but rather attempt to keep distorting....
so sad...
/still never got a yes or no answer out some folks.....
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The dialogue here is deviating off-topic rather quickly.
This thread is about how Rush Limbaugh is a fat-fuck lowest-common-denominator troll who needs Viagra to make even kinky Asian sex-tourism arousing.
This thread is about how Rush Limbaugh is a fat-fuck lowest-common-denominator troll who needs Viagra to make even kinky Asian sex-tourism arousing.
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Everyone knows that, except maybe Rush, but thanks for the reminder and for bringing it back on track. :thumbsup:
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
It's rather sad that some McCain supporters can't bring themselves to admit that, but rather attempt to keep distorting....
so sad...
/still never got a yes or no answer out some folks.....
Its true that BO wants to use SIECUS guidelines to teach kids of 6 masterbation and homosexuality and gender dysphoria. His own campaign gave SEICUS as a model:
Recently Obama spokesman Bill Burton recently called kiddie sex ed charge "shameful and downright perverse". But last year the same Bill Burton was in the news concerning Obama's plans:
"Obama spokesman Bill Burton tells First Read: "You can teach a kid about what's appropriate and not appropriate to protect them from predators out there." In addition, he issued a document showing that the Oregon Department of Education has guidelines for sex education for children in grades K-3 (which includes understanding the difference between a good touch and a bad touch), and that the Sexuality Information And Education Council of the United States has curriculum those in kindergarten."
There you are - SIECUS.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com...2007/07/19/277886.aspx
Obama's campaign has cited them before. Indeed, Obama's larger church called the United Church of Christ (Trinity was a congregation in the larger church) also uses SIECUS in a plan called "Our Whole Lives"
http://www.ucc.org/justice/sex...n/our-whole-lives.html
Nobody can read SIECUS guidelines and not see it teaches 5 yr olds about masturbating, homosexuality and gender dysphoria as normal. That a campaign would even mention then as an source for 5 yr olds is pretty whacked.
The below are some of the things the "church" teachs in "level 1" sex education for kids 4 to 6 (there are 5 others levels after level 1)
? Human beings can love people of the same gender and people of another gender.
? Some people are heterosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someoneof another gender.
? Some people are homosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone of the same gender.
? Homosexual men and women are also known as gay men and lesbians.
? People deserve respect regardless of who they are attracted to.
? Making fun of people by calling them gay (e.g. ?homo,? ?i love you,? ?queer?) is disrespectful and hurtful.
? A family consists of two or more people who care for eachother in many ways
? There are different kinds of families.
? Children may live with one or more parents or caregivers including biological parents, step-parents, foster parents, adoptive parents, grandparents, friends, or other combinations of adults.
? Many adults may help care for children.
? Family members show love for each other.
? Love means having deep and warm feelings about oneself and others.
? People can experience different types of love.
? People express love differently to their parents, families, and friends.
? Touching and rubbing one?s own genitals to feel good is called masturbation
People often kiss, hug, touch, and engage in other sexual behaviors with one another to show caringand to feel good.
Both girls and boys may discover that their bodies feel good when touched
? Girls and boys have many similarities and a few differences.
? Some people may expect or demand that boys and girls behave in certain ways, but this is beginning to change.
? Both women and men can be involved and caring parents.
? Boys and girls can do the same chores at home.
? Men and women are capable of doing almost all the same jobs.
? Some men and women may be told that certain jobs and tasks are only for women or only for men, but this is beginning to change.
Later on teens get to Level 6 (and I dont think for a minute they really wait to expose kids to all the "levels") which is obviously political in nature to advance the set agenda:
"Society and Culture Life Behaviors:
Having applied the society and culture subconcepts at the
appropriate age, the learner will be able to:
? Demonstrate respect for people with different sexual values.
? Exercise democratic responsibility to influence legislation dealing with sexual issues.
? Assess the impact of family, cultural, media, and societal messages on one?s thoughts, feelings, values, and behaviors related to
sexuality.
? Critically examine the world around them for biases based on gender, sexual orientation, culture, ethnicity, and race.
? Promote the rights of all people to accurate sexuality information.
? Avoid behaviors that exhibit prejudice and bigotry.
? Reject stereotypes about the sexuality of different populations.
? Educate others about sexuality."
http://www.siecus.org/_data/gl.../images/guidelines.pdf
The guidelines are a holler to read because in between teaching things like how 5 yr olds can touch themselves to "feel good" they insert little benign nothings like eating yogurt for good health. It's hysterical
SIECUS is brainwashing for kiddies. Obama would enact the very things his own people are calling perverse.
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Well one thing for sure, we will hear all about it on tomorrow's Rush Limbaugh show.
And here, for all these years, us dimocrats have been on mere probation, as Rush has kindly offered us the reeducation option, with a chance to enroll of his institute of advanced conservative studies.
And damn and double damn, I was just struggling to get by the preparatory prerequisites of remedial conservative studies.
But now we will see as the man who is on loan from God tells God, and takes the gloves off, and will soon be hurling fatal lightning bolts around, and will not even offer us benefit of clergy or redemption before he consigns all us dimocrats to hell.
Please massa Rush, I did not do it. Please give us another chance.
And here, for all these years, us dimocrats have been on mere probation, as Rush has kindly offered us the reeducation option, with a chance to enroll of his institute of advanced conservative studies.
And damn and double damn, I was just struggling to get by the preparatory prerequisites of remedial conservative studies.
But now we will see as the man who is on loan from God tells God, and takes the gloves off, and will soon be hurling fatal lightning bolts around, and will not even offer us benefit of clergy or redemption before he consigns all us dimocrats to hell.
Please massa Rush, I did not do it. Please give us another chance.
And Obama absolutely twisted limbaughs words to incite race tension. Obama has always been a phony though and his helps cement that. Hes a mean fellow - no surprise since he would leave live born babies injured in abortions left to die. Baby killing and masterbation lessons for 5 year olds - that your Obama for ya. A race bait add is small beans
Thats' just an excuse an even you know it. How many minutes would it take to teach the kiddies about "good touch/bad touch"? Maybe five? Maybe 20? Obviously there would not need a whole program. The "stranger danger" facead is just the trojan horse. All the pervy groups hide behind the old "its for the children" rubbish. Obama is a weirdo. SIECUS is what it is and its garbage.
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oh my god this cut/paste job of yours was totally debunked in previous threads.Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
It's rather sad that some McCain supporters can't bring themselves to admit that, but rather attempt to keep distorting....
so sad...
/still never got a yes or no answer out some folks.....
Its true that BO wants to use SIECUS guidelines to teach kids of 6 masterbation and homosexuality and gender dysphoria. His own campaign gave SEICUS as a model:
Recently Obama spokesman Bill Burton recently called kiddie sex ed charge "shameful and downright perverse". But last year the same Bill Burton was in the news concerning Obama's plans:
"Obama spokesman Bill Burton tells First Read: "You can teach a kid about what's appropriate and not appropriate to protect them from predators out there." In addition, he issued a document showing that the Oregon Department of Education has guidelines for sex education for children in grades K-3 (which includes understanding the difference between a good touch and a bad touch), and that the Sexuality Information And Education Council of the United States has curriculum those in kindergarten."
There you are - SIECUS.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com...2007/07/19/277886.aspx
Obama's campaign has cited them before. Indeed, Obama's larger church called the United Church of Christ (Trinity was a congregation in the larger church) also uses SIECUS in a plan called "Our Whole Lives"
http://www.ucc.org/justice/sex...n/our-whole-lives.html
Nobody can read SIECUS guidelines and not see it teaches 5 yr olds about masturbating, homosexuality and gender dysphoria as normal. That a campaign would even mention then as an source for 5 yr olds is pretty whacked.
The below are some of the things the "church" teachs in "level 1" sex education for kids 4 to 6 (there are 5 others levels after level 1)
? Human beings can love people of the same gender and people of another gender.
? Some people are heterosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someoneof another gender.
? Some people are homosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone of the same gender.
? Homosexual men and women are also known as gay men and lesbians.
? People deserve respect regardless of who they are attracted to.
? Making fun of people by calling them gay (e.g. ?homo,? ?i love you,? ?queer?) is disrespectful and hurtful.
? A family consists of two or more people who care for eachother in many ways
? There are different kinds of families.
? Children may live with one or more parents or caregivers including biological parents, step-parents, foster parents, adoptive parents, grandparents, friends, or other combinations of adults.
? Many adults may help care for children.
? Family members show love for each other.
? Love means having deep and warm feelings about oneself and others.
? People can experience different types of love.
? People express love differently to their parents, families, and friends.
? Touching and rubbing one?s own genitals to feel good is called masturbation
People often kiss, hug, touch, and engage in other sexual behaviors with one another to show caringand to feel good.
Both girls and boys may discover that their bodies feel good when touched
? Girls and boys have many similarities and a few differences.
? Some people may expect or demand that boys and girls behave in certain ways, but this is beginning to change.
? Both women and men can be involved and caring parents.
? Boys and girls can do the same chores at home.
? Men and women are capable of doing almost all the same jobs.
? Some men and women may be told that certain jobs and tasks are only for women or only for men, but this is beginning to change.
Later on teens get to Level 6 (and I dont think for a minute they really wait to expose kids to all the "levels") which is obviously political in nature to advance the set agenda:
"Society and Culture Life Behaviors:
Having applied the society and culture subconcepts at the
appropriate age, the learner will be able to:
? Demonstrate respect for people with different sexual values.
? Exercise democratic responsibility to influence legislation dealing with sexual issues.
? Assess the impact of family, cultural, media, and societal messages on one?s thoughts, feelings, values, and behaviors related to
sexuality.
? Critically examine the world around them for biases based on gender, sexual orientation, culture, ethnicity, and race.
? Promote the rights of all people to accurate sexuality information.
? Avoid behaviors that exhibit prejudice and bigotry.
? Reject stereotypes about the sexuality of different populations.
? Educate others about sexuality."
http://www.siecus.org/_data/gl.../images/guidelines.pdf
The guidelines are a holler to read because in between teaching things like how 5 yr olds can touch themselves to "feel good" they insert little benign nothings like eating yogurt for good health. It's hysterical
SIECUS is brainwashing for kiddies. Obama would enact the very things his own people are calling perverse.
yest you STILL cling to your trashy talkingpoints.
Thats very bad...bad bad bad bad
you are WRONG. and you are PERPETUATING LIES.
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Butterbean--you need a hug, man. Of course, it probably shouldn't be a hug from a man, because that might be kind of gay.
UberNeuman
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Hey, he may have a van with a "free candy" sign on it - and Obama is going to cut off BB's business...
Who cares about Rush? He can take care of himself - no tears needed. I am just highlighting Obama's street hack tactics (same ones he used in Chicago) . There was never anything new about Kid Sunshine except the degree of his radical Marxism. Obama couldn't hold a candle to Rush.
ProfJohn
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I have not heard the ad, but I am of the belief that there was no reason to run it.
Apparently the ad is 'technically' correct. But it still twists the meaning of the Obama law and changes the context of it.
I would say the ad is no worse than Obama taking McCain's 100 years in Iraq line and twisting it was well.
And I would say that this ad is worse than both of them because it twists what Rush says and it ignores the fact that Rush has nothing to do with McCain.
Also, Obama seems to forget that when we play the association game, like the experience game, he losses. I'll put the words of Rush against the words of Wright any day of the week.
Originally posted by: OrByte
oh my god this cut/paste job of yours was totally debunked in previous threads.Originally posted by: Butterbean
Originally posted by: UberNeuman
It's rather sad that some McCain supporters can't bring themselves to admit that, but rather attempt to keep distorting....
so sad...
/still never got a yes or no answer out some folks.....
Its true that BO wants to use SIECUS guidelines to teach kids of 6 masterbation and homosexuality and gender dysphoria. His own campaign gave SEICUS as a model:
Recently Obama spokesman Bill Burton recently called kiddie sex ed charge "shameful and downright perverse". But last year the same Bill Burton was in the news concerning Obama's plans:
"Obama spokesman Bill Burton tells First Read: "You can teach a kid about what's appropriate and not appropriate to protect them from predators out there." In addition, he issued a document showing that the Oregon Department of Education has guidelines for sex education for children in grades K-3 (which includes understanding the difference between a good touch and a bad touch), and that the Sexuality Information And Education Council of the United States has curriculum those in kindergarten."
There you are - SIECUS.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com...2007/07/19/277886.aspx
Obama's campaign has cited them before. Indeed, Obama's larger church called the United Church of Christ (Trinity was a congregation in the larger church) also uses SIECUS in a plan called "Our Whole Lives"
http://www.ucc.org/justice/sex...n/our-whole-lives.html
Nobody can read SIECUS guidelines and not see it teaches 5 yr olds about masturbating, homosexuality and gender dysphoria as normal. That a campaign would even mention then as an source for 5 yr olds is pretty whacked.
The below are some of the things the "church" teachs in "level 1" sex education for kids 4 to 6 (there are 5 others levels after level 1)
? Human beings can love people of the same gender and people of another gender.
? Some people are heterosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someoneof another gender.
? Some people are homosexual, which means they can be attracted to and fall in love with someone of the same gender.
? Homosexual men and women are also known as gay men and lesbians.
? People deserve respect regardless of who they are attracted to.
? Making fun of people by calling them gay (e.g. ?homo,? ?i love you,? ?queer?) is disrespectful and hurtful.
? A family consists of two or more people who care for eachother in many ways
? There are different kinds of families.
? Children may live with one or more parents or caregivers including biological parents, step-parents, foster parents, adoptive parents, grandparents, friends, or other combinations of adults.
? Many adults may help care for children.
? Family members show love for each other.
? Love means having deep and warm feelings about oneself and others.
? People can experience different types of love.
? People express love differently to their parents, families, and friends.
? Touching and rubbing one?s own genitals to feel good is called masturbation
People often kiss, hug, touch, and engage in other sexual behaviors with one another to show caringand to feel good.
Both girls and boys may discover that their bodies feel good when touched
? Girls and boys have many similarities and a few differences.
? Some people may expect or demand that boys and girls behave in certain ways, but this is beginning to change.
? Both women and men can be involved and caring parents.
? Boys and girls can do the same chores at home.
? Men and women are capable of doing almost all the same jobs.
? Some men and women may be told that certain jobs and tasks are only for women or only for men, but this is beginning to change.
Later on teens get to Level 6 (and I dont think for a minute they really wait to expose kids to all the "levels") which is obviously political in nature to advance the set agenda:
"Society and Culture Life Behaviors:
Having applied the society and culture subconcepts at the
appropriate age, the learner will be able to:
? Demonstrate respect for people with different sexual values.
? Exercise democratic responsibility to influence legislation dealing with sexual issues.
? Assess the impact of family, cultural, media, and societal messages on one?s thoughts, feelings, values, and behaviors related to
sexuality.
? Critically examine the world around them for biases based on gender, sexual orientation, culture, ethnicity, and race.
? Promote the rights of all people to accurate sexuality information.
? Avoid behaviors that exhibit prejudice and bigotry.
? Reject stereotypes about the sexuality of different populations.
? Educate others about sexuality."
http://www.siecus.org/_data/gl.../images/guidelines.pdf
The guidelines are a holler to read because in between teaching things like how 5 yr olds can touch themselves to "feel good" they insert little benign nothings like eating yogurt for good health. It's hysterical
SIECUS is brainwashing for kiddies. Obama would enact the very things his own people are calling perverse.
yest you STILL cling to your trashy talkingpoints.
Thats very bad...bad bad bad bad
you are WRONG. and you are PERPETUATING LIES.
It's NEVER been debunked here. The threads and posters just quietly go away *winks*
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An excellent defense of the subject. A lot of conjecture on contrived on the spot theorems to support the writers position given the lack of specificity in the bill itself.
a new television advertisement claiming that Mr. Obama favors ?comprehensive sex education? for kindergarten students.
?Learning about sex before learning to read??
Both sets of accusations, however, seriously distort the record.
Except the first statement, in addition to being the actual language of the bill, was said by bho on at least 2 public speaking occasions. He has since added additional rhetoric when speaking on the subject, and the fact that he needs to do so validates that part of the ad and the critics of the original bill in the vagueness of the legislation.
If you want to fight over the 2nd line, fell free and have fun, I'm sure none of the ads from the dems would contain such language to make one appear more sensational. Isn't that right baby alex.
It is a misstatement of the bill?s purpose
It is a misstatement to specify what the bills purpose would be as all that matters is the legal requirements that would be made be once passed. The proposal was to mark through the line that had "6-12 sex ed instruction" and make it read "K-12" with no additional notation made giving instruction upon the effects of that change.
The advertisement, then, also misrepresents what the bill meant by ?comprehensive.? The instruction the bill required was comprehensive in that it called for a curriculum that went from kindergarten and through high school, not in the sense that kindergarteners would have been fully exposed to the entire gamut of sex-related issues.
As beauty is in the eye of the beholder, the meaning of this also lays since there was no clarity given to coincide with the age reduction. Again, this is the reason it drew so many local critics and the reason it was never passed.
but please, continue stating things as being "fact checked" when the reason the legislation was killed was its lack of comprehensive discussion.
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