Limbaugh takes a stand: gets hard over Obama

[fallout man]

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Limbaugh, hitting back over usage in ad, says Obama "stoking racism"


Rush Limbaugh, featured in a new, Spanish-language Barack Obama ad, says the commercial distorts his past statements and amounts to "race-baiting" by the Democratic nominee.

The commercial, to air in Limbaugh's home state of Florida as well as Colorado, New Mexico and Nevada, features a picture of the conservative talk show host and shows his words on the screen: "Mexicans are stupid and unqualified" and "Shut your mouth or get out." It was first reported by the Washington Post's Ed O'Keefe.

"Obama is now stoking racism in the country," Limbaugh wrote in an email. "Obama is a disgrace - he wants the public to think he is Mr. Nice Guy while his thugs are in Alaska looking for dirt on Palin and he runs race-baiting ads and lies about what he has done and what McCain has done."

As for the quotes, Limbaugh said they were taken out of context.

The first, "stupid and unqualified," was from the NAFTA debate of the mid-90s, he recalled. Limbaugh, a NAFTA proponent, said in the fall of 1993 he got a call from a listener who was upset at the potential loss of American jobs.

In response he said, "If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people--I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs, let the kinds of jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do--let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

Explaining his comments, Limbaugh writes: "I was referring to jobs in MEXICO. I was not discussing immigrants, illegal or otherwise."

On "shut your mouth," Limbaugh produced an April 2006 transcript from what he described as a parody of Mexican immigration laws.

The talk show host read a list of stringent rules, adding "shut your mouth and get out," before revealing to listeners that the guidelines were those set by the Mexican government for immigrants.

The full bit from the second quote is after the jump.

McCain launched his own Spanish-language ad last week blaming Obama for the collapse of immigration reform last week, striking a more moderate tone on the issue than his border security-focused stance in the GOP primary. Polls show Obama leading among Hispanic voters, but McCain is making an aggressive push for their support as they represent a key constituency in key states such as Florida and the competitive states in the intterior west.

I suppose that Rush is right in all this. He almost has me believing that he's down with the brown, and not just spewing faux-outrage.

Wasn't he the guy that pioneered that hilarious "Barack the Magic Negro" bit?

 

[Moonbeam]

Rush just needs some lipstick.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rush just needs some lipstick.

He ran out--his stash always runs low after trips to Thailand. Lipstick rubbed off in Thailand, apparently, stays in Thailand.

 

[Throckmorton]

Wow, so now it's "race baiting" when someone points out a racist thing you said? Rush would fit right in with some of the backwards-speaking morons here in P&N.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
Rush just needs to jump in a wood chipper.

:thumbsup:

 

[351Cleveland]

When ABC News is defending Rush Limbaugh, you know its really bad...

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...9/from-the-fact-1.html

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has launched a new Spanish-language TV ad that seeks to paint Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., as anti-immigrant, even tying the Republican to his longtime conservative talk-radio nemesis Rush Limbaugh.

As first reported by the Washington Post, Obama's ad features a narrator saying: "They want us to forget the insults we?ve put up with?the intolerance?they made us feel marginalized in this country we love so much."

The screen then shows these two quotes from Limbaugh:

??stupid and unskilled Mexicans?
?Rush Limbaugh

"You shut your mouth or you get out!?
?Rush Limbaugh

The narrator then says, ?John McCain and his Republican friends have two faces. One that says lies just to get our vote?and another, even worse, that continues the policies of George Bush that put special interests ahead of working families. John McCain?more of the same old Republican tricks.?

There are some real factual problems with this ad, which is titled ?Dos Caras,? or two faces.

First of all, tying Sen. McCain ? especially on the issue of immigration reform ? to Limbaugh is unfair.

Limbaugh opposed McCain on that issue. Vociferously. And in a larger sense, it?s unfair to link McCain to Limbaugh on a host of issues since Limbaugh, as any even occasional listener of his knows, doesn?t particularly care for McCain.

Second, the quotes of Limbaugh?s are out of context.

Railing against NAFTA in 1993, Limbaugh said, "If you are unskilled and uneducated, your job is going south. Skilled workers, educated people are going to do fine 'cause those are the kinds of jobs NAFTA is going to create. If we are going to start rewarding no skills and stupid people, I'm serious, let the unskilled jobs that take absolutely no knowledge whatsoever to do -- let stupid and unskilled Mexicans do that work."

Not one of his most eloquent moments, to be sure, but his larger point was that NAFTA would mean that unskilled stupid Mexicans would be doing the jobs of unskilled stupid Americans.

I?m not going to defend how he said it, but to act as if this was just a moment of Limbaugh slurring Mexicans is not accurate. Though again, certainly if people were offended I could understand why.

The second quote is totally unfair. In 2006, Limbaugh was mocking Mexican law, and he wrote:

?Everybody's making immigration proposals these days. Let me add mine to the mix. Call it The Limbaugh Laws:

?First: If you immigrate to our country, you have to speak the native language. You have to be a professional or an investor; no unskilled workers allowed. Also, there will be no special bilingual programs in the schools with the Limbaugh Laws. No special ballots for elections. No government business will be conducted in your language. Foreigners will not have the right to vote or hold political office.

?If you're in our country, you cannot be a burden to taxpayers. You are not entitled to welfare, food stamps, or other government goodies. You can come if you invest here: an amount equal to 40,000 times the daily minimum wage. If not, stay home. But if you want to buy land, it'll be restricted. No waterfront, for instance. As a foreigner, you must relinquish individual rights to the property.

?And another thing: You don't have the right to protest. You're allowed no demonstrations, no foreign flag waving, no political organizing, no bad-mouthing our President or his policies. You're a foreigner: shut your mouth or get out! And if you come here illegally, you're going to jail.

?You think the Limbaugh Laws are harsh? Well, every one of the laws I just mentioned are actual laws of Mexico today! That' how the Mexican government handles immigrants to their country. Yet Mexicans come here illegally and protest in our streets!

?How do you say ?double standard? in Spanish? How about: ?No mas!??

But even if one is uninclined to see Limbaugh's quotes as having been taken unfairly out of context, linking them to McCain makes as much sense as running a quote from Bill Maher and linking it to Obama.

 

[Lemon law]

Poor ole Rush, his own words thrown back at him, and now Rush cannot argue with Rush.

And now Rush is really really outraged at them democrats, what is new?

 

[XMan]

"Wasn't he the guy that pioneered that hilarious "Barack the Magic Negro" bit? "

You fail at the Internet. The reference was first made by a columnist in the LA Times. A black columnist, at that. Paul Shanklin then made a spoof song about it as though Al Sharpton were singing it, which Limbaugh played.

 

[jpeyton]

:laugh:

Rush said all those things, and they're bad even if you take them in context.

Trying to explain this away is just drawing attention to how bigoted he is, and will only stoke the fire more.

 

[lupi]

hmm, I wonder if this was a mccain ad if there'd be the standard ATP&N outrage with links to factcheck posted showing that it's a lie in the context the ad showed the material to bolster the ad creators position.


Nope, that would never happen :roll:

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: lupi
hmm, I wonder if this was a mccain ad if there'd be the standard ATP&N outrage with links to factcheck posted showing that it's a lie in the context the ad showed the material to bolster the ad creators position.


Nope, that would never happen :roll:

Do you believe the McCain ad about Obama and sex-ed was fair?

A yes or no will do....

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: lupi
hmm, I wonder if this was a mccain ad if there'd be the standard ATP&N outrage with links to factcheck posted showing that it's a lie in the context the ad showed the material to bolster the ad creators position.


Nope, that would never happen :roll:

Do you believe the McCain ad about Obama and sex-ed was fair?

A yes or no will do....

Since context apparently doesn't matter, lets ask what Barack Obama thinks?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...7/sex-ed-for-kind.html

"'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,'" said Obama

:shocked:

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: lupi
hmm, I wonder if this was a mccain ad if there'd be the standard ATP&N outrage with links to factcheck posted showing that it's a lie in the context the ad showed the material to bolster the ad creators position.


Nope, that would never happen :roll:

Do you believe the McCain ad about Obama and sex-ed was fair?

a yes or no will do...

Since context apparently doesn't matter, lets ask what Barack Obama thinks?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...7/sex-ed-for-kind.html

"'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,'" said Obama

:shocked:

So, I'll ask you - do you think the McCain ad was fair?

a yes or no answer will do......

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: lupi
hmm, I wonder if this was a mccain ad if there'd be the standard ATP&N outrage with links to factcheck posted showing that it's a lie in the context the ad showed the material to bolster the ad creators position.


Nope, that would never happen :roll:

Do you believe the McCain ad about Obama and sex-ed was fair?

A yes or no will do....

Since context apparently doesn't matter, lets ask what Barack Obama thinks?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...7/sex-ed-for-kind.html

"'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,'" said Obama

:shocked:

So, I'll ask you - do you think the McCain ad was fair?

It's just like Charlie Gibson says, Barack Obama's "exact words".

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: lupi
hmm, I wonder if this was a mccain ad if there'd be the standard ATP&N outrage with links to factcheck posted showing that it's a lie in the context the ad showed the material to bolster the ad creators position.


Nope, that would never happen :roll:

Do you believe the McCain ad about Obama and sex-ed was fair?

A yes or no will do....

Since context apparently doesn't matter, lets ask what Barack Obama thinks?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...7/sex-ed-for-kind.html

"'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,'" said Obama

:shocked:

So, I'll ask you - do you think the McCain ad was fair?

It's just like Charlie Gibson says, Barack Obama's "exact words".

What is your answer, sir - yes or no?

Do you think the McCain ad was fair?

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: lupi
hmm, I wonder if this was a mccain ad if there'd be the standard ATP&N outrage with links to factcheck posted showing that it's a lie in the context the ad showed the material to bolster the ad creators position.


Nope, that would never happen :roll:

Do you believe the McCain ad about Obama and sex-ed was fair?

A yes or no will do....

Since context apparently doesn't matter, lets ask what Barack Obama thinks?

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...7/sex-ed-for-kind.html

"'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners,'" said Obama

:shocked:

So, I'll ask you - do you think the McCain ad was fair?

It's just like Charlie Gibson says, Barack Obama's "exact words".

What is your answer, sir - yes or no?

Do you think the McCain ad was fair?

More fair than this Obama-Limbaugh ad.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: newnameman

More fair than this Obama-Limbaugh ad.

In what way is the McCain more fair?

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

More fair than this Obama-Limbaugh ad.

In what way is the McCain more fair?

It uses Obama's "exact words".

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

More fair than this Obama-Limbaugh ad.

In what way is the McCain more fair?

It uses Obama's "exact words".

So, tell me what you believe Mr. Obama wants for children then...

In your own words... please...

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

More fair than this Obama-Limbaugh ad.

In what way is the McCain more fair?

It uses Obama's "exact words".

So, tell me what you believe Mr. Obama wants for children then...

In your own words... please...

I believe last time you went on one of these stupid constantly posting the same thing binges you got the thread locked, good luck this time.

And why care what we say, listen to either time he spoke publically about it yourself.

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: lupi

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

More fair than this Obama-Limbaugh ad.

In what way is the McCain more fair?

It uses Obama's "exact words".

So, tell me what you believe Mr. Obama wants for children then...

In your own words... please...

I believe last time you went on one of these stupid constantly posting the same thing binges you got the thread locked, good luck this time.

And why care what we say, listen to either time he spoke publically about it yourself.

and I'll ask you - do you feel the McCain on Obama and sex-ed was fair?

Yes or No will do.....

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

More fair than this Obama-Limbaugh ad.

In what way is the McCain more fair?

It uses Obama's "exact words".

So, tell me what you believe Mr. Obama wants for children then...

In your own words... please...

The ad claims Obama wants to teach sex education to kindergarteners. According to Barack Obama, "'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners." What exactly do you find unfair?

 

[UberNeuman]

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

More fair than this Obama-Limbaugh ad.

In what way is the McCain more fair?

It uses Obama's "exact words".

So, tell me what you believe Mr. Obama wants for children then...

In your own words... please...

The ad claims Obama wants to teach sex education to kindergarteners. According to Barack Obama, "'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners." What exactly do you find unfair?

What kind of sex-ed was Obama planning to teach children about?

 

[newnameman]

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

Originally posted by: UberNeuman

Originally posted by: newnameman

More fair than this Obama-Limbaugh ad.

In what way is the McCain more fair?

It uses Obama's "exact words".

So, tell me what you believe Mr. Obama wants for children then...

In your own words... please...

The ad claims Obama wants to teach sex education to kindergarteners. According to Barack Obama, "'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners." What exactly do you find unfair?

What kind of sex-ed was Obama planning to teach children about?

Again, the ad claims Obama wants to teach sex education to kindergarteners. According to Barack Obama, "'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners." What exactly do you find unfair?

 

[Harvey]

Originally posted by: newnameman

The ad claims Obama wants to teach sex education to kindergarteners. According to Barack Obama, "'Barack Obama supports teaching sex education to kindergarteners." What exactly do you find unfair?

The ad lies. It's already been debunked.

Ad on Sex Education Distorts Obama Policy

By LARRY ROHTER
Published: September 10, 2008

Escalating its efforts to portray Senator Barack Obama as a candidate whose values fall outside the mainstream, the campaign of Senator John McCain on Tuesday unveiled a new television advertisement claiming that Mr. Obama, the Democratic nominee, favors ?comprehensive sex education? for kindergarten students.

?Learning about sex before learning to read?? the narrator asks in the 30-second advertisement, which the campaign says will be shown in battleground states and on national cable. The commercial also asserts that a sex-education bill introduced in Illinois, which Mr. Obama did not sponsor and which never became law, is his ?one accomplishment? in the field of education.

Both sets of accusations, however, seriously distort the record.

The original controversy dates to 2003, when a bill to modify the teaching of sex education in Illinois was introduced in the Legislature. The proposal was supported by a coalition of education and public health organizations, including the Illinois Parent Teacher Association, the Illinois State Medical Society, the Illinois Public Health Association and the Illinois Education Association.

Mr. Obama voted for the bill in committee, where it passed, but it never came to a full and final vote. The proposal called for ?age and developmentally appropriate? sex education and also allowed parents the option of withdrawing their children from such classroom instruction if they felt that it clashed with their beliefs or values.

In referring to the sex-education bill, the McCain campaign is largely recycling old and discredited accusations made against Mr. Obama by Alan Keyes in their 2004 Senate race. At that time, Mr. Obama stated that he understood the main objective of the legislation, as it pertained to kindergarteners, to be to teach them how to defend themselves against sexual predators.

?I have a 6-year-old daughter and a 3-year-old daughter, and one of the things my wife and I talked to our daughter about is the possibility of somebody touching them inappropriately, and what that might mean,? Mr. Obama said in 2004. ?And that was included specifically in the law, so that kindergarteners are able to exercise some possible protection against abuse, because I have family members as well as friends who suffered abuse at that age.?

It is a misstatement of the bill?s purpose, therefore, to maintain, as the McCain campaign advertisement does, that Mr. Obama favored conventional sex education as a policy for 5-year-olds. Under the Illinois proposal, ?medically accurate? education about more complicated topics, including intercourse, contraception and homosexuality, would have been reserved for older students in higher grades.

The advertisement, then, also misrepresents what the bill meant by ?comprehensive.? The instruction the bill required was comprehensive in that it called for a curriculum that went from kindergarten and through high school, not in the sense that kindergarteners would have been fully exposed to the entire gamut of sex-related issues.
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