Like sequester, the shutdown is the compromise, and we enjoy lower spending meanwhile

[LookBehindYou]

How about the ones that aren't furloughed, but can't get unemployment or a check. We're stuck in limbo til its over...

 

[glenn1]

It's not even republicans. It's A republican, John Boehner. The man is directly violating his oath by failing to fulfill his duties. Those duties are to submit the budget to the full chamber for an up or down vote, which his own fellow republicans would vote to pass. Even they know what a terrible idea this is. He should be removed as speaker at a bare minimum.

Eric Cantor would be Speaker then, and I presume you'd like him even less than you would Boehner.

 

[dainthomas]

Eric Cantor would be Speaker then, and I presume you'd like him even less than you would Boehner.

If he's on board with Boehner's scheme, he should be demoted too. Why does it seem that only the lunatic fringe of either party makes it to the leadership positions? Or is it just that we don't remember when a non-lunatic is in charge because they just do their job?

 

[Hugo Drax]

Technically the shutdown can stay permanent and nothing much will change, except extra savings. This is why fox calls it a Slimdown.

So this might be like the sequester, it came and the world did not end and the markets actually are higher post sequester

 

[Hugo Drax]

How about the ones that aren't furloughed, but can't get unemployment or a check. We're stuck in limbo til its over...

You can quit or start looking for another job.

It is no different than working for a company that is out of cash and you choose to continue working hoping the company can get back on its feet.

 

[her209]

Why doesn't Obama give the (R) what they want? A complete shutdown of the government? That means no FAA, no army, etc.

 

[Doppel]

It's not even republicans. It's A republican, John Boehner. The man is directly violating his oath by failing to fulfill his duties. Those duties are to submit the budget to the full chamber for an up or down vote, which his own fellow republicans would vote to pass. Even they know what a terrible idea this is. He should be removed as speaker at a bare minimum.

He does this with their support; they condone it. He will lose their support, though. He'll capitulate soon, just you wait and see. He has no leverage other than watching his career self destruct.

 

[Sonikku]

Like sequester, the slimdown is the result of Obama, and we enjoy lower wasteful spending meanwhile.

I never quite thought of it that way. I guess there's always a silver lining.

 

[JD50]

No, people on unpaid furlough do not get unemployment.

Yes they do.

 

[TerryMathews]

Yes they do.

I'll have to let my parents know, they were told that they did not qualify while on furlough.

 

[werepossum]

It's not even republicans. It's A republican, John Boehner. The man is directly violating his oath by failing to fulfill his duties. Those duties are to submit the budget to the full chamber for an up or down vote, which his own fellow republicans would vote to pass. Even they know what a terrible idea this is. He should be removed as speaker at a bare minimum.

You are correct about Boehner not doing his duty. And I'm sure that were I to search, I'd find you were every bit as outraged and vocal about the Democrats not doing their duty for over three years.

 

[IronWing]

Tens of thousands of contract change orders resulting from the shutdown will cost the taxpayers plenty. Republicans wasting the taxpayers' money, as usual.

 

[Zaap]

LOL at leftwingers pretending to give a good crap about taxpayers money being wasted.

 

[IronWing]

LOL at leftwingers pretending to give a good crap about taxpayers money being wasted.

Leftists want responsible government spending and responsible taxation to pay for it. Rightwingers and fascists (Republicans) want transfer payments from the middle class to their rich benefactors and are happy to run up massive public debts to do so. The yap dogs of hyper-crony-capitalism have shutdown the government.

 

[TerryMathews]

Leftists want responsible government spending and responsible taxation to pay for it. Rightwingers and fascists (Republicans) want transfer payments from the middle class to their rich benefactors and are happy to run up massive public debts to do so. The yap dogs of hyper-crony-capitalism have shutdown the government.

Can I subscribe to your newsletter?

 

[JD50]

I'll have to let my parents know, they were told that they did not qualify while on furlough.

Yes, you definitely should. Although I believe it depends on the state.

 

[TerryMathews]

Yes, you definitely should. Although I believe it depends on the state.

They were told in Ohio that furlough didn't qualify.

 

[Balt]

At this point the budget negotiations have degenerated to nothing more than a face saving effort not to give into the other side. But like the sequester fight, the current status quo actually works against Obama. The GOP wants lower spending, the sequester gave it to them earlier and the shutdown is giving it to them now. To get increased spending (or at least not shutdown level spending) Obama is the one who needs to take action. So I hope this shutdown goes on for as long as possible - Obama is effectively on the side of lowered spending for as long as this goes on.

The shutdown isn't saving money, FYI.

 

[DominionSeraph]

At this point the budget negotiations have degenerated to nothing more than a face saving effort not to give into the other side. But like the sequester fight, the current status quo actually works against Obama. The GOP wants lower spending, the sequester gave it to them earlier and the shutdown is giving it to them now.

This gives it to the GOP? Hmmm... funny that they didn't shut it down the other 3 years they had the House under Obama's Presidency. Funny that W. didn't veto every budget in his 8 years, if that would've been a win for the GOP. Funny that the Republican House and Senate didn't combine to defund the government from '95-'99 during Clinton.

Only four years out of the last 32 have the Dems been able to unilaterally fund the government. (93-95, 09-11)
So, if this is such a big win for the GOP, why haven't we had 28 years of "smaller government" by this method?

 

[JEDI]

Do the people laid off get unemployment? If so, doesn't that take away from the savings (especially on the state side of things)?

Also, do they (laid off people) 'enjoy' the lower spending?

they don't qualify for unemployment this week since they worked mon, Sept 30.
they don't get paid for week 1 of unemployment when they do qualify (next week).
state unemployment is 26 weeks so they get paid for weeks 2 to 27.

unemployment benefits is always funded. if the state runs low on funds due to larger # of enrollments, they just increase the unemployment tax to companies in their state.

 

[ccbadd]

It's not even republicans. It's A republican, John Boehner. The man is directly violating his oath by failing to fulfill his duties. Those duties are to submit the budget to the full chamber for an up or down vote, which his own fellow republicans would vote to pass. Even they know what a terrible idea this is. He should be removed as speaker at a bare minimum.

You do realize a CR is NOT the budget right? The House has passed a budget. The Senate (Reid) does not care to do his job and that is why we are here with CR's. Actually, government funding does not even come from the budget. It come from a series of a dozen appropriations bills broken down kind of like Boehner want to do now. Maybe someone needs to learn a little more about the actual process rather that the 4+ years of CR's in a effort to avoid exactly what the House in forcing right now.

 

[Bowfinger]

They were told in Ohio that furlough didn't qualify.

No, still wrong:

More than 2,500 furloughed federal employees in Ohio had filed for unemployment compensation by mid-day Thursday, according to the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services.

Civilian workers who were sent home on unpaid furloughs under the government shutdown Oct. 1, including 8,700 at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base, can file for unemployment compensation through the state, said Benjamin Johnson, a spokesman for the Ohio Department of Job and Family Services. ...

 

[IAteYourMother]

LOL at leftwingers pretending to give a good crap about taxpayers money being wasted.

Does government spending tend to significantly decrease when conservatives are in power?

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Oh zing!

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Sounds pretty serious. I guess the dems better start being serious about coming up with a solution then huh?

Solution to what?

I'm sure you meant the budget right?

EDIT: I think meant to the problem of tyranny of the minority. Pretty sure that's what he meant.