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Libertarian ideas ever made you go..wtf?

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rudeguy said:
I assumed that was just her view or is that how all Libertarians think?
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and all Dems are card carrying commies.

Why should it surprise you that people afraid of the government would align themselves with those of us who oppose the expanse of government? There are many reasons to oppose centralized power, crazy is just one of them.
 
Jaskalas said:
Think of it as more Stimulus. It keeps government employees employed. The 'War on Drugs' is a government industry.
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That's exactly what it is, a government created industry, unfortunately for all of us the money the government uses to pay for it's follies is ours, not the profits it doesn't make. Billions a year, and hundreds of thousands of lives pissed away every year to enforce moral conduct on the masses. Disgusting.
 
TheDoc9 said:
Liberals are the opposite of communists, yet somehow you manage to liken them together. Hell you even throw in a reference to Jesus for good measure.

Liberalism is about having a free'r society, and people taking personal responsibility for their actions. This is a concept some people it seems, can't possibly allow into their minds. Ironically the easy way out leads to the least satisfaction in peoples lives but they just don't know it and can't accept it.

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Can't .............stop........................laughing......................
 
rudeguy said:
I had a customer on the phone who was a Libertarian once. I don't even know how we got to politics since its something I avoid like the plague, but she ranted for a good 20 minutes about off the wall ideas and conspiracy theories. She was convinced of a group of people who ran the world (not just the country) from behind the scenes. Of course that group was made up of very well respected people who just happen to have money. But in her mind they were hell bent on taking over the world at the expense of every other person in the world.

I assumed that was just her view or is that how all Libertarians think?
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Uhhhh, that's how DEMOCRATS think from everything I've read in this forum.

"Waaaaahhhh! The Koch brothers are intentionally destroying America so they can get rich!!!!"
 
wuliheron said:
Why all the hostility towards libertarians?

They can't help it if there's never been a single libertarian government in recorded history. Their philosophy is so simple and so obvious it must be that most people are simply fucked up or somebody somewhere would have made it work by now. Don't you like people who think the whole world is fucked up?
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Well it is true, people are just simply to fucked up. Nothing is ever a problem of capitalism, communism, socialism, whatever. It's always a fucking people problem.
 
bfdd said:
Well it is true, people are just simply to fucked up. Nothing is ever a problem of capitalism, communism, socialism, whatever. It's always a fucking people problem.
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Which makes you wonder about economics. If people make irrational decisions, how does a collective of irrational decisions arrive at a rational conclusion?
 
her209 said:
Which makes you wonder about economics. If people make irrational decisions, how does a collective of irrational decisions arrive at a rational conclusion?
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They don't. Hence why libertarians don't want a collection of irrational people (i.e. the government) telling everyone how to run their own lives. :sneaky:
 
QuantumPion said:
By that you mean legalize drugs and free abortions? Lol...
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Abortions would be legalized but not free. Many drugs would be legalized as well, remember that originally most illegal drugs were legal.

That's not to say that I personally agree with this, but in a responsible society that doesn't try and find escape through drugs, or doesn't try to kill human life before birth, than this wouldn't be an issue.
 
Mursilis said:
In their most pure, extreme forms, most philosophies of gov't are impractical, libertarianism included. Does anyone really want to live in a pure democracy? Of course not. That being said, I think the U.S. could use a more libertarian approach to certain issues. How's that War on Drugs working out for everyone?
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You raise a good point, but even the sainted Dr. Ron Paul that libertarians most often cite as the ideal President often times proposes many truely impractical, impossible and ultimately destructive to the USA policies. As the OP stated, the wtf moments. It's hard for me to envision any sort of "mainstream" libertarian that would not drive this country right into the ground.
 
I think libertarians have some good ideas.

Namely drug legalization. I used to be staunchly against it. But then after reading about it, I think less harm would be done to society, and a lot of problems would be fixed, by taking steps toward legalization.

Of course, I think everyone views drug legalization as tantamount to all of us being reduced to crackheads wandering the streets.

But eliminating bankruptcy? I'd have to stop there. Look at Dubai. (Isn't it Dubai where business is booming but for the horde of people in debt prison?)
 
Atreus21 said:
I think libertarians have some good ideas.

Namely drug legalization. I used to be staunchly against it. But then after reading about it, I think less harm would be done to society, and a lot of problems would be fixed, by taking steps toward legalization.

Of course, I think everyone views drug legalization as tantamount to all of us being reduced to crackheads wandering the streets.
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What about nudity? Cussing on TV? Won't someone think of the children!
 
bfdd said:
Well it is true, people are just simply to fucked up. Nothing is ever a problem of capitalism, communism, socialism, whatever. It's always a fucking people problem.
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Exactly! Get rid of the people and the system will work just fine. Why didn't I think of that?
 
Libertarianism ideology is wonderful to ponder on, and you kind of naively hope it's possible to implement someday. Unfortunately it's nowhere near applicable to real life since people don't act the way Libertarians want them to act, which is why gov't programs like SS and Medicare exist or why we need a Federal Reserve and FDA.

That video was terrible though, didn't really encapsulate the bush league stuff they believe in.
 
Thump553 said:
You raise a good point, but even the sainted Dr. Ron Paul that libertarians most often cite as the ideal President often times proposes many truely impractical, impossible and ultimately destructive to the USA policies. As the OP stated, the wtf moments. It's hard for me to envision any sort of "mainstream" libertarian that would not drive this country right into the ground.
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Which is clearly different from Democrats and Republicans.

Somehow.
 
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