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Liberals, your chickens have come home to roost, now what

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Texashiker said:
Look at the big picture worldwide, how mulsims are killing each other compared to blacks, hispanics, whites,,,,?




Proof?

Besides islam, how many religions teach its followers to kill non-believers?




you wonder why saddam husein was so cruel? To stop groups like isis from coming into power.




I am getting ready to go visitation of a friends daughter who was killed by an illegal immigrant. The daughter and the guy met, had two kids aged 6 and three. In a fit of rage last week he killed her.

I went to school with the victims mother.

http://www.12newsnow.com/news/local...-beating-death-of-bridge-city-woman/319001663

I will be leaving home in about an hour and will be gone for the rest of the evening.
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real americans never kill their partners in a domestic dispute.
 
flexy said:
You really want to take this and "blow it up" (pardon the pun) into a MAJOR event..to condemn all Muslims, immigrants, refugees etc?
RE.TAR.DED.
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How far back do we need to go? The Christmas party shooting in California, draw Muhammad event in texas, boston bombings,,,,,.

This is not "just" about one or two events..

Quran teaches to kill nonbelievers wherever you find them. Mulsims who follow the quran are taught to kill nonbelievers. What is so difficult to understand about that?
 
glenn1 said:
The U.S. meddles in the politics of every nation and region, why then aren't we getting a ton of terror attacks by people from Southeast Asia? Or Latin America? Sub-Saharan Africa?
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We used to; just look at all the terrorism in Puerto Rico in the 70s or so. Vietnam is a somewhat different case in that they were divided into pro- and anti-American halves and we only really accepted those from the former, plus we had retreated anyways. Note that we don't have nearly as much trouble with Kuwaiti terrorists, for example, ("our allies") compared to other ones. If you mean Japan and South Korea, then there are obvious differences in terms of how we dealt with them, what kinds of government they formed, etc. Sub-Saharan Africa is generally too impoverished and corrupt to even care about us, a lot of the reason Islamic terror is successful is due to the incredible amount of oil money available to finance it.

Texashiker said:
Look at the big picture worldwide, how mulsims are killing each other compared to blacks, hispanics, whites,,,,?
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We kind of screwed up their world, so of course there are worldwide attacks.

Texashiker said:
you wonder why saddam husein was so cruel? To stop groups like isis from coming into power.
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Is this an admission that secular-ish Arabs are also violent? I used to believe the "You need a strong leader to keep them in check" theory, but iirc the numbers killed by people like Assad and Saddam are about comparable to those killed by ISIS.
 
Texashiker said:
Besides islam, how many religions teach its followers to kill non-believers?
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From what I can tell, Islam doesn't either. This is a twist of what it says, and it's taken out of context. Stop reading web sites that give you only this and leave it to your imagination. Try to also read something that gives some background and includes the rest of the verses around it so you can see what it's actually talking about. Or actually sit down and talk to someone who is Muslim. You might find this is more about defending themselves and not promoting going out and attacking anyone.
 
https://discover-the-truth.com/2014/08/12/quran-2191-and-kill-them-wherever-you-find-them-explained/

Since the OP tends to be lazy, close minded and/or illiterate, I will copy the summary of the linked page:
In conclusion, as we have examined the Arabic word ‘fitna’, and the context of passage, the verse does not promote killing of innocent people. As shown, the passage shows that Muslims were allowed to fight those who were persecuting the Muslims. In other words, the passage sanctions fighting in self-defence.
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Indus said:
Yep dipshits like you who are busy supporting TRUMP are killing and murdering Sikhs instead..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/...crimes-against-sikhs-since-911_n_1751841.html

When are we going to hold conservaterrorists accountable?
WHEN?
WHEN motherfucker?
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When, motherfucker, are you going to demonstrate an organization that explicitly calls for those attacks?

Unlike the Middle East where Iraq and Syria nearly fell to a genocidal group whom many "Americans" identify with. The best thing we can do to help our government battle this threat, is to prevent its spread. To stop importing likely carriers of the disease, and to work on taking down their lines of communication. Isolating ISIS and other terrorist groups needs to be a priority.

A secure border helps achieve that.
 
Jaskalas said:
When, motherfucker, are you going to demonstrate an organization that explicitly calls for those attacks?

Unlike the Middle East where Iraq and Syria nearly fell to a genocidal group whom many "Americans" identify with. The best thing we can do to help our government battle this threat, is to prevent its spread. To stop importing likely carriers of the disease, and to work on taking down their lines of communication. Isolating ISIS and other terrorist groups needs to be a priority.

A secure border helps achieve that.
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Do you believe that the ideology of ISIS is something that American Muslims are at substantial risk of contracting? There have been white Western-born people that have joined Islamic terror groups as well, it's not something that spreads only by ethnic background. fwiw I totally can agree that we should be very cautious regarding immigration, especially right now. Only bring in the most educated people, no bending over backwards to accommodate refugees, but that's something we're already doing.
 
Jaskalas said:
When, motherfucker, are you going to demonstrate an organization that explicitly calls for those attacks?

Unlike the Middle East where Iraq and Syria nearly fell to a genocidal group whom many "Americans" identify with. The best thing we can do to help our government battle this threat, is to prevent its spread. To stop importing likely carriers of the disease, and to work on taking down their lines of communication. Isolating ISIS and other terrorist groups needs to be a priority.

A secure border helps achieve that.
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How about just top giving visas to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Bangladesh etc?

The problem I see with your making a mountain out of molehill is Trump wants white nationalism to reign supreme and that's what returning to historical immigration means... the chinese/ indian exclusion act and what not.

When honestly there's a few countries that're troublemakers, why punish the rest of legal immigrants who have done well and settled into America nicely and are productive members of society.

I'll give you an example.. name 1 terrorist attack committed by Vietnamese, Thai, Philippine, Singaporean or Indian immigrants on American soil.

So why punish them with a "secure border" when the current policy works for them, just not some other nations who are sponsors of terrorism?
 
HamburgerBoy said:
9/11 itself was committed primarily due to Western meddling in Arab politics, and had it been limited to the attack on the Pentagon I think it would be hard to even fault bin Laden. The West reaps what it sows.
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This sentiment is almost Stockholm-syndrome worthy. Hard to fault... the person at fault? One of the biggest mass-murders on US soil? All those peple in NYC just had it coming huh?

That's batshit.
 
flexy said:
Some idiot Muslim in NYC built a pressure cooker bomb, it sort of made "pffffffft" and injured (slightly) 29 people. Fortunately no one got killed and no one got seriously injured.
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Yeah it's just a one off incident. NOTHING at all similar happening anywhere else, and here as well. Nothing in common with any of the other incidents.

I'm not one to support any such stupidity of banning immigrants based on religion- to me it's got nothing to do with immigration per-se. (Well, not YET in this country- when we start wholesale letting in tons of people from certain middle eastern countries the way Europe has, too few checks, and we have places like Calais in the US... then it will be, but for now, it's not really an immigration thing.)

What gets most *SANE* people is how quick some are to excuse the common factor in a lot of these things- radical Islam. That's the thing that's most stupid- people who know better, and yet cow-tow, bow down for, and make excuses for a backward religious motive- and we all know it's due to PC cowardice more than anything. The same cowards will crow all day long about Christians- because they #1 aren't really any threat, and #2 it's not PC to attack Christians. But Muslims? DEAD silence at best, cowardly excuses for at worst.
 
Zaap said:
This sentiment is almost Stockholm-syndrome worthy. Hard to fault... the person at fault? One of the biggest mass-murders on US soil? All those peple in NYC just had it coming huh?

That's batshit.
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What about generations of bombing strikes, support of political enemies, murderous economic sanctions, and political coups all committed by the United States? No one calls it terrorism when we bomb a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan or a wedding in Afghanistan. Blood for blood.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
What about generations of bombing strikes, support of political enemies, and political coups all committed by the United States? No one calls it terrorism when we bomb a pharmaceutical plant in Sudan or a wedding in Afghanistan. Blood for blood.
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I'm glad you see it. But don't expect most Americans to be able to see beyond their bias.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
Do you believe that the ideology of ISIS is something that American Muslims are at substantial risk of contracting?
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When compared to a person with no identity with, zero connections to, Islam / Middle East?
Yes, I believe those "closer" to ISIS are more likely to listen to its message and fall in line with them. By orders of magnitude.

Remember just how many Islamic terror attacks have been first or second generation. The immigrant, or their child.
That is precisely because of who that person identifies as.

Restrict / review that immigration, secure the border from illegal crossing, and target ISIS's lines of communication.
Do not allow ISIS to network online or grow here among us.
 
Jaskalas said:
When compared to a person with no identity with, zero connections to, Islam / Middle East?
Yes, I believe those "closer" to ISIS are more likely to listen to its message and fall in line with them. By orders of magnitude.

Remember just how many Islamic terror attacks have been first or second generation. The immigrant, or their child.
That is precisely because of who that person identifies as.

Restrict / review that immigration, secure the border from illegal crossing, and target ISIS's lines of communication.
Do not allow ISIS to network online or grow here among us.
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Only by isolating those people and making them fearful. I guarantee if all those people had a 1500 sq ft home with ac and 2.2 kids they wouldn't be blowing themselves up.

You guys are doing exactly what Osama set out to do. He wanted us to wage war in the Middle East and he wanted us to hate on Muslims everywhere as he knew that is how you create more radicals. Congrats on being puppet mastered by a sheep fucker.
 
Jaskalas said:
When compared to a person with no identity with, zero connections to, Islam / Middle East?
Yes, I believe those "closer" to ISIS are more likely to listen to its message and fall in line with them. By orders of magnitude.

Remember just how many Islamic terror attacks have been first or second generation. The immigrant, or their child.
That is precisely because of who that person identifies as.

Restrict / review that immigration, secure the border from illegal crossing, and target ISIS's lines of communication. Do not allow them to network online or grow here among us.
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How much more likely? It's not enough to say that it's more likely from Muslims; not all Muslims are created the same. The social and criminal risk factors of a lightly-religious Turk, a Wahhabist Arab, a Shiite Iranian, a Sufi Kurd, a Sunni Pakistani, etc are all going to be different. I'm all for banning extremists and restricting certain countries more than others. But some of those people, believe it or not, actually hate ISIS even more than we do.

I agree that unrestricted immigration at our southern border is a problem (although not necessarily due to Islamic terror concerns). Not sure how you expect to restrict communication or growing ideologically here without censorship, however.
 
Texashiker said:
Jesus did away with the old testament.

Mathew 5:44 - But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you.

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them,"
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He did? Last time I checked the Old Testament is included in the bible
 
Jaskalas said:
It's not about some blanket ban, and people keep speaking as if it were.
We restrict, we further review, we be "very cautious regarding immigration" as you put it.

Today America might as well be a purely open border society. It's disastrous.
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With respect to Muslim countries, we are not a purely open border society. We're actually quite strict compared to Europe. If you think the occasional San Bernardino or Orlando is evidence enough that it's not enough, then I'm wondering why we don't ask about total gun crimes instead of focusing just on ones that happen to have Islamic motives. With respect to cheap Mexican labor, then yeah we just adore them and don't care if they're here as long as they are willing to work very hard for very little. Different issues though.
 
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