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METH-RIDDLED as you claimed

So if he'd stopped at backwater and unimportant, you would have been in total agreement and not posted? But since he said backwater, unimportant and meth riddled, you felt the need to explain how terrorists only like the big targets? It's pretty clear you missed his point entirely.

 

[Svnla]

So if he'd stopped at backwater and unimportant, you would have been in total agreement and not posted? But since he said backwater, unimportant and meth riddled, you felt the need to explain how terrorists only like the big targets? It's pretty clear you missed his point entirely.

I don't entertain "if"this and "if" that question. Read the whole post from him, see all of my replies, and make your own choice.

Since you bring up the subject, I want to dig deeper.

In the first paragraph, he accused the OP with hate this and hate that toward liberals (I count several "hates") yet in the second paragraph right below that, he made despicable remarks about a small town in Texas and the people that live there or from there. And this from him..." Jasper, where they are only famous for beheading gays and black people".

And that is ok to you? You be the judge.

Full disclosure - I do not care for about the OP's usage of religious or his very first post in this thread.

 

[jackstar7]

Full disclosure - I do not care for about the OP's usage of religious or his very first post in this thread.

Sig worthy.

 

[Zaap]

well, using the same metric of numbers attributed to Mao--starvation and labor camps--you have to accept that Stalin was the bigger mass-murderer.

Not to get into whatever this argument was about, but NOPE.

Mao is pretty much the undisputed record holder, no matter how you slice it, using any metric you care to. (Starvation and labor camps, please, like Mao was a piker at those!) His estimates run 70 to 80 million, Stalin around 20 to 60 million.

Not to say Stalin was some rank amateur like Hitler at around 17 to 20 million, but Mao is the mass murder champ.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Your open arms immigration policy is coming back to bite you in the ass, now what?



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...duffel-bag-filled-pressure-cookers-bombs.html

All in the past couple of days:

Dumpster bomb
Pressure cooker bomb
Backpack bomb
Blast near Marine Corps race in New Jersey
5 men caught on New York bridge in an SUV full of guns
Mall stabbing

And Hillary wants to increase the number of muslim refugees allowed into the nation.

Trumps immigration plan looks better by the hour.

When are you liberals going to realize the ideology of islam is not compatible with western civilization? What is it going to take for yall to admit terrorist are being allowed into the nation in mass?

Maybe a bombing at a gay pride event? Maybe a few churches and jewish communities bombed?

Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them,

Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered

All you show me is that you never read the Christian Bible. The Quran is quit tame by that standard

 

[agent00f]

This thread is a study in the dumb shit american conservatives didn't learn in school, ostensibly because they were told school is the instrument of leftist commies.

 

[Blanky]

Your open arms immigration policy is coming back to bite you in the ass, now what?

More immigrants from the ME of course, what else?!

 

[Blanky]

All you show me is that you never read the Christian Bible. The Quran is quit tame by that standard

Nonsense. I wonder if you believe it or just trolling.

 

[Texashiker]

From what I can tell, Islam doesn't either.

Really?

Why are there so many terrorist attacks in the name of allah?

Nice truck attack in France.
Charlie Hebdo shooting
The list goes on and on and on,,,,,.

 

[Orignal Earl]

Really?

Why are there so many terrorist attacks in the name of allah?

Nice truck attack in France.
Charlie Hebdo shooting
The list goes on and on and on,,,,,.

Following the 2003 invasion of Iraq, the Jordanian Salafi jihadist Abu Musab al-Zarqawi and his militant group Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad, founded in 1999, achieved notoriety in the early stages of the Iraqi insurgency for their suicide attacks on Shia Islamic mosques, civilians, Iraqi government institutions and Italian soldiers partaking in the US-led 'Multi-National Force'. Al-Zarqawi's group officially pledged allegiance to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaeda network in October 2004, changing its name to Tanzim Qaidat al-Jihad fi Bilad al-Rafidayn (تنظيم قاعدة الجهاد في بلاد الرافدين, "Organisation of Jihad's Base in Mesopotamia"), also known as al-Qaeda in Iraq (AQI).[2][90][91] Attacks by the group on civilians, Iraqi government and security forces, foreign diplomats and soldiers, and American convoys continued with roughly the same intensity. In a letter to al-Zarqawi in July 2005, al-Qaeda's then deputy leader Ayman al-Zawahiri outlined a four-stage plan to expand the Iraq War. The plan included expelling US forces from Iraq, establishing an Islamic authority as a caliphate, spreading the conflict to Iraq's secular neighbours, and clashing with Israel, which the letter says "was established only to challenge any new Islamic entity"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant#Foundation.2C_1999.E2.80.932006

Why are you guys attacking so many Americans?

 

[Blue_Max]

All you show me is that you never read the Christian Bible. The Quran is quit tame by that standard

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Now there's a guy who probably hasn't picked up either. "Tame in comparison"... not even feckin' close. Their main characters alone were peace-pushing Jesus and warmongering & beheading Mo. This isn't to say the bible doesn't have its low points in the Jewish world of the old testament, but it just doesn't compare to the "slay them all" mentality of the quran.
Gawd...

 

[Texashiker]

All you show me is that you never read the Christian Bible. The Quran is quit tame by that standard

You must be referring to the old testament.

Jesus abolished the old testament.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You must be referring to the old testament.

Jesus abolished the old testament.

the whole thing?? really?? including the 10 commandments? proof that jesus nixed the whole old testament?
I am in no way a biblical scholar, but this kinda flies in the face of what you're trying to say

Matthew 5:17-18: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

 

[Blue_Max]

the whole thing?? really?? including the 10 commandments? proof that jesus nixed the whole old testament?
I am in no way a biblical scholar, but this kinda flies in the face of what you're trying to say

Matthew 5:17-18: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

You keep quoting this over and over. If it meant what you think it does, Jesus wouldn't have prevented the stoning of Mary, he'd have led the charge!

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

You keep quoting this over and over. If it meant what you think it does, Jesus wouldn't have prevented the stoning of Mary, he'd have led the charge!

if by 'this is the first and only time I have quoted matthew 5:17-18"
then yes, I am quoting it over and over. But only once.

 

[Texashiker]

the whole thing?? really?? including the 10 commandments? proof that jesus nixed the whole old testament?
I am in no way a biblical scholar, but this kinda flies in the face of what you're trying to say

Mathew 27:51

King james - And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

New international version - At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook, the rocks split.

The veil of the temple were the rules placed between GOD and man by the old testament. When Jesus died on the cross there was an earthquake and the the veil tore from top to bottom. There is no more division based on laws. The laws of the old testament are no more.

Salvation was extended to all, and not just Jews, through the sacrifice of Jesus. That is why Christians do not sacrifice animals like what is prescribed in the old testament. That is why Christians eat pork, and catfish, because those old laws are abolished.

Jesus taught one thing, and that was love. All he asked for was for people to love him, love your neighbor, and do good works in his name.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

this thread reminds exactly why I loathe people who use the bible as a tool to push their ideology. I'd call it cherry picking but that's not even close.

 

[Pens1566]

this thread reminds exactly why I loathe people who use the bible as a tool to push their ideology. I'd call it cherry picking but that's not even close.

I'm going to start using "It". They both have the same connection to reality. At least there are creepy clown sightings everywhere now.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I'm going to start using "It". They both have the same connection to reality. At least there are creepy clown sightings everywhere now.

I may go with The Stand,
“The Lord is my shepherd. I shall not want for nothing. He makes me lie down in the green pastures. He greases up my head with oil. He gives me kung-fu in the face of my enemies. Amen”

 

[glenn1]

the whole thing?? really?? including the 10 commandments? proof that jesus nixed the whole old testament?
I am in no way a biblical scholar, but this kinda flies in the face of what you're trying to say

Matthew 5:17-18: Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.

Mark 10:5 gives you the needed context here: "It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law," Jesus replied.

So it's not exactly that the 10 Commandments and Laws of Moses don't apply any more. But rather that humanity's sins (including breaking those laws) have been covered by that sacrifice of Jesus. The OT laws of Moses and such were along the lines of telling a child "if you don't eat your vegetables then you don't get dinner tonight," the implied promise of a later treat is used to encourage the desired behavior by those who couldn't control themselves of their own volition. The second is more like a wife telling her unfaithful spouse who confessed "I know you cheated on me but I'll take you back." The husband still broke his vow, but still doesn't mean his marital vows aren't applicable anymore because his wife (and God) forgives him of the transgression.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

that's not exactly abolishing the whole old testy is it?

 

[Commodus]

The "Islam is fundamentally evil" camp seems to be missing the point here. If you assume that most people of a given faith take its religious teachings 100 percent literally, that also raises serious problems with Christianity and other organized religions. Do you think women on their periods are "unclean," and must be avoided at all costs (including anything they touch)? Do you think slavery is tolerable, or that LGBT people deserve to die?

No, you don't. Why? Because in all religions, there are different interpretations, and pragmatism/secular learning leads even self-proclaimed devout followers to gloss over passages that they don't feel are relevant. And of course, people will cherry-pick verses solely to fuel their personal ambitions and hatreds. See the Westboro Baptist Church or televangelists as examples.

I refuse to take the coward's way out and declare a whole religion evil, especially one with 1.6 billion people... and which produced some of the greatest cultural and scientific works ever (Muslims discovered key attributes of light and were instrumental to math -- where do you think "algebra" comes from?). I refuse to lump a moderate family, only desperate to escape violence, into the same pile as terrorists and radical clerics. I will treat Muslims as varied human beings with all their individuality intact; I will honor the spirit of the US' freedom of religion, not just the letter.

 

[Jaskalas]

I'll repeat what I said on September 11th. I feel it encompasses the basis of my reply to you Commodus.

Its the inhumane slaughter and torture in their homelands, the unbridled slavery of women and minorities, the culture and ideals from whence they come... and carry over with them, of which our people have died at the hands of, that concerns us. A person does not erase their mind when they cross a border. They remain who they were, a culture that is dynamically opposed to the very existence of western civilization and the rights for which we stand.

By default we are very open and accepting, but when our people start dying it becomes another matter. One that must be addressed. Trudeau believes this too, he is there for the same reason. Paltry though it may be in the face of communications and cultural crossover from the Middle East carried in by fresh refugees or over the internet. Think a drive-by visit and some kind words has more influence than a lifetime of identifying with and adopting culture from their homelands via close associates or instant communications?

Today's world is not like previous generations. There's hardly any separation at all by crossing the globe. Immigrants are not isolated in a strange new land where it's an effort to survive. Where in that struggle new bonds of kinship and brotherhood are formed. They need not form new bonds at all with their fellow Americans (Canadians alike). Isolation can be harbored, hatreds festered, and the disease of Islamic terrorism spread throughout our land without us even knowing it. It is a problem people carry with them, and there's a very distinct and specific group who are susceptible.

Assimilation, the function of an American melting pot, should be our chief response here. Some words to start, sure, but it takes a FAR greater and deeper commitment to achieve peace in a world this dangerous. Those who identify with the Middle East need cultural icons to draw inspiration from. They need leaders committed to our western rights as much as we are. Fostering such people (in our homelands) will require lifetimes of effort, over generations. They will need money and influence over their peers, to stand above and lead them away from the horrors of their homeland. When their people find peace of mind, so too will we who live with them.

 

[glenn1]

that's not exactly abolishing the whole old testy is it?

Can't speak for others, but this seems applicable here: Romans 13: 8-10
Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.


That being said some Christians do a really lousy job of this (e.g. WRT to LGBTQ people) but that doesn't detract from the main point. In Christian formulation, loving God is done by showing love and not by following rules.

 

[retrospooty]

Really?

Why are there so many terrorist attacks in the name of allah?

Nice truck attack in France.
Charlie Hebdo shooting
The list goes on and on and on,,,,,.

The problem you and others that think like you is that you are placing the acts of a few on all Muslims. We need to go after the people perpetrating the acts, not people that look like the people that perpetrated the acts. We have KKK and Neo Nazis in the USA, we have Tim McVeigh, the unabomber and Jeffrey Dahmer. We dont ban white people. Why? Because those are a a few disturbed people, not the whole. Duh.