Liberals, Dems, etc. Please come in...

[Nemesis 1]

all or nothing.

and on a side-note, only racists disagree with Obama on the issues.

OH my goodness. To disagree with bambi means your a logger. Quick everone hug bambi and a tree.

 

[GTaudiophile]

I am sorry to offend, but my OP was and is genuine.

And no, manned space flight is not just about moon and orbiting earth. We are still reaping the technological rewards of the Space Race of the 50s/60s.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Troll.

It's about how the question is phrased. To pick the opposite side, imagine I said this...

Reps and Conservatives etc...
How is it that you claim to be supportive of the Constitution and yet back a President which tosses it aside, espouses the sanctity of life yet allows his obsession with one man to allow the death of so many innocents... and on and on.

Now it's a fair question for sure, however what it does is paint all Reps and Conservatives as bloodthirsty tyrants, which I do not believe.

Likewise I don't think that all Dems support this because they are Dems. They may support the overall agenda (whatever they think that is), but that does not mean they support everything.

Personally I'm not put off much by it since I'm neither wholly Conservative or Liberal. I'm consistent internally, but that does not mean I line up with some external metric. Consequently I don't get offended because I'm not on "their" side. Besides that I have to have a thick hide

Anyway, I can see Wolf's meaning as the implication goes beyond supporting manned space research. As usual, there's a dig buried in posts.

 

[Nemesis 1]

So how do you feel about the Sun Hudson matter?

\how's "morality" work then?

Wanda really never made that decision to allow the son of the Sun to die now did she.

 

[UberNeuman]

Wanda really never made that decision to allow the son of the Sun to die now was she.

Well, who made that decision?

/tell me about the "death panel" that chose his fate..
//and the governor who signed off on it...

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Well, who made that decision?

Wut?

I have no idea what ANY of this is about.

 

[Nemesis 1]

Wanda was a women who gave birth to a manchild that was said to be sick . She said the child was the SUNs son . The doctors as far as I know pulled the tudes . Without her consent. If her claims were true. LOL Whos to say that child died? As for the governor who signed off on it and death panel members I would have to do a refresh on that.

 

[nakedfrog]

I think the OP's presentation of what's planned is disingenuous.

 

[Moonbeam]

Of course any President's priorities can be questioned. I just get annoyed when someone posts a series of polemical talking points as a supposed sincere inquiry. If you want to post an opinion, post an opinion. I don't care what it is. Just don't pretend it's something else.

I'm not real happy about his position on space flight either, BTW. I'll be a lot happier if he ultimately backs it up by cutting into lots of other programs as well because then at least there's consistency.

- wolf

You must love PJABBER.

 

[Moonbeam]

The moon is a harsh mistress.

 

[nakedfrog]

The moon is a harsh mistress.

:wub:

 

[ShawnD1]

Please tell me how your link is related to OPs question. Your link seems to really expand upon the idea of Women having the rights to Murder an unborn child . The Best science I can offer for this and at same to give advice to women is don't get pregnent . Don't put yourself in that position to have to make a choice you really have NO right to make.

Me and my girlfriend, Aisha, will have 30 kids and put all of them up for adoption just because we agree with you so much.

 

[Tom]

$100,000,000,000 in 5 years is gutting NASA ?

 

[Nemesis 1]

Yep more Jobs lost.

 

[sandorski]

OP, do you want Spending Cuts?

 

[ericlp]

Well, as well as Obama has handled pretty much everything else, maybe could have cut out the Obama Train funds and put it towards NASA.

To the OP no one can be perfect and I'm sure if NASA got 50 Trillion budget to work with next you you'd cry about something else.

 

[ebaycj]

Yep more Jobs lost.

But I thought government jobs were the "bad" ones?

 

[Red Dawn]

If we'd stop being the World's Policeman and funding the countries in the M.E. and elsewhere until our fiscal ship gets righted maybe we'd have more money.

 

[shortylickens]

Well, I'm not a Democrat and I'm only a liberal with respect to issues like abortion and marijuana. As for NASA: It seems to me one of the conservatives/Republicans biggest whines (and they have many) is how Democrats go crazy with increasing government spending, so I dont know why they complain everything the Democrats actually try to reduce it, like here, and with Clinton and the military budget back in the 90's.
I guess government spending is OK, provided its on things the Republicans like. Yeah, thats fucking great.
So, I dont vote Republican either.

Now as for spending more on welfare and shit, I do not like most of the projects the Democrats have dumped money into over the years. Of course, back when we had a Republican controlled Senate, House, and White House, and a seriously conservative Supreme Court, nobody did a god damn thing to fix ANY real problems. Even the gun ban was not an active, voluntary action. They simply let it run out.
Thats it. Thats all they did. They just did nothing while the thing expired on its own. So really we should be giving the Democrats credit for that one.

To answer the OP's question: The reason we support him is because he is our president and he should get our undying loyalty and never be bothered with questions asking to explain himself.

OOOPS!! Wait, I forgot, thats another thing only Republican presidents are allowed to do. Sorry, my bad.

Also, I agree with Red Dawn. We should not be the worlds police. First off, we have absolutely no moral superiority in anything. Maybe back in World War 2 we did, but those days are long gone and we've been abusing that reputation until its dead and rotting in the ground. And our whole generation of awesome success immediately after the war is either dead or resting in nursing homes, not currently influencing anything that has to do with modern America. We are not heroes. And we damn sure arent police.
2nd and most important, we simply arent any damn good at policing the world. This now moves beyond the emotional and moral argument, straight into logic. We simply cant do it. Its that simple. We screw up every time we try. Looking at what North Korea has become, its obvious we failed over their. Vietnam was certainly a massive waste, considering we really did nothing serious to actually help them, and we fucked ourselves up in the process.
Desert Storm might almost be considered a win, except for the fact the shit going on over their has been happening for thousands of years and we really cant fix their problems at all. The latest fiasco, which arguably started in 2001 and is still technically going, should prove we cant fix Arab problems.
We need to stop doing it. All it does is piss people off and give them expectations of us which we cant actually fulfill.
I think Grenada was the only successful venture and thats only because we went in the specifically rescue Americans and then got the fuck out immediately.

And of course with the money saved we could actually make America a decent place.

/ off topic rant

 

[zsdersw]

I actually agree with the OP. I think we as a nation specifically and we as a human society in general benefit when there's big goals out there to reach and to strive for.

Forget the moon, let's figure out how to send people to, live on, and return from Mars. Let's bury through the ice-covered moon Europa to see if any life exists in the ocean underneath. Let's find a way to tap the hydrocarbon oceans/lakes of Titan.

Stagnation is the first sign of a civilization's demise. The OP is quite right that the space race and the race to the moon generated many technologies and innovations that fundamentally transformed society for the better. We need another big goal to spawn more innovations.

 

[TwinsenTacquito]

If the government didn't decide to regulate all space travel, we'd have landed on the moon sooner. And we'd already have a man on Mars. And it wouldn't have ever cost a tax payer a dollar. And we'd have ten times the useful products available to us because of it.

While I'm against NASA, I'm more against the government just waking up and deciding it says who can go to space and who can't.

 

[Craig234]

I was interested to answer you, but instead, I see the need to tell you to learn to ask honest questions.

"I guess these heroes of space flight are all idiot, douches, right?"

I'm a big fan of the space program. I'm a big fan of JFK, who greatly expanded it and set the goal for the moon landing. JFK, another Democrat, paid massive amounts for it even as Vietnam and his Great Society were big expenses (oh by the way, the last time the federal budget was balanced before late Clinton was LBJ's last budget).

But a president facing the greatest economic crisis since the Great Depression and unprecedented massive budget deficits making some hard calls on spending cuts is not anti-space and not calling astronauts idiots and douches. That's a completely dishonest characterization of the issue. Of course the astronauts are going to be critical of the cuts. Pretty much any leaders of an industry that's cut are likely to oppose the cuts. That's a debate - not what you said.

So, no, I'm not planning to waste the time now to answer you. Learn to ask honest questions.

Make the case for your position on the space program in light of the economic situation, and ask for other opinions.

It's the liberals who created the economic conditions for the space program to happen, and the right who bankrupts the people and the nation to serve their master of the rich who kill it.

Ready to discuss that?

 

[Nemesis 1]

But I thought government jobs were the "bad" ones?

Were is a Doctor building a clinic have to do with government spending. Its the Doctors money not the States.

This is the second time you have used this . The other was the Nasa.

Nasa has been inplace along time. Because of Nasas work trillions of dollars have been made in the private sector. This is 1 government programm that actually works. But Obama wants to gut . Which is exactly as I would figure obama decision making policy.

Cut nasa a proven winner Vs phoney Healthcare that will break the backs of the middle class.

Twice now you have used this against me . Both times you failed miserably. I am on SS and I have not once used medicare . But private insurance that we pay. . We also fund a $2,500 cafateria fund used yearly. That is funded 100% by us .

My family is fiscally responsable. We plan ahead and live within our means.

To me all this is much to do with nothing . Why . Because in our little world all is well. It was no accident its not luck . Its about excepting responsiabilty for ones self . I am glad I am old I don't like this new world the faster I am over the happier I will be .

I didn't mind life befor I was . I won't mind it after I am not of flesh . I just wish I wasn't born in this time . It would seem the Lord will not allow me to skip my destiny. I not happy about that but his Will be done. I must do what I must do there is no escaping it.

 

[Craig234]

If the government didn't decide to regulate all space travel, we'd have landed on the moon sooner. And we'd already have a man on Mars. And it wouldn't have ever cost a tax payer a dollar. And we'd have ten times the useful products available to us because of it.

While I'm against NASA, I'm more against the government just waking up and deciding it says who can go to space and who can't.

Where do people like you come from?

What regulations on who can go to space? I guess you answer why no other country has gone.

You sound like the rabid ideologue, if talented engineer, Burt Rataan (not bothering to check his spelling), who just hates NASA out of his ideology. I walked out on his presentation for a reason.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Ready to discuss that the liberals took a well intentioned program like Medicaid, and have allowed it to bloat, not daring to reform it, and then want to expand it in it's corrupt form?

As you say, learn how to ask questions.