"Liberals are such idiots!"

[slackerinabox]

Have you missed every debate on Gay Marriage and Trayvon Martin where liberals constantly call people who disagree with them racists or bigots?

In fact it is their primary argument.

Well, I don't think there's a logical debate against gay marriage unless bigotry and/or the bible's involved.

 

[IronWing]

fact is their primary argument.

FTFY

 

[olds]

If the shoe fits

 

[Spungo]

Have you missed every debate on Gay Marriage and Trayvon Martin where liberals constantly call people who disagree with them racists or bigots?

In fact it is their primary argument.

Try debating a feminist. I get called a misogynist even though I'm a woman. I guess they naturally assume that I'm a guy because I don't start the argument with "well, as a woman, ______"
If I'm wrong, just say I'm wrong. That doesn't automatically mean I'm a man or black or conservative or trolling.

 

[Slew Foot]

Your title is correct but if you visit P&N youll see the opposite

 

[poofyhairguy]

I think ATOT and tech forums skew weirdly conservative... I've never been able to piece together why but just think of who nerds are

Many nerds seem to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

IMHO the first part comes from heavy exposure to the internet. It's open nature desensitizes people (who can really get offended by gay men kissing when they have seen things like tubgirl?) and the mass of information available makes living your whole life by the principles of a single (probably partially fictional) book seems quaint.

The second part comes because liberal economic policies usually stem from a sympathy for your fellow man that nerds simply don't have, probably due to partial exclusion from human society. Combine that with the fact that tech jobs are often in higher tax brackets and it becomes clear why nerdom seems to lean this way.


What I find hilarious is when Republican groups try to "leverage" social media and mobile devices, it is often 50 somethings trying to be hip with a new trick they learned from their teenagers and they have little success. Meanwhile the generation of nerds that fooking BUILT Facebook, Twitter, yournextfavoritemobileapp, etc. won't touch Republican causes with a 10 foot pole due to the social conservatism. I believe that if tomorrow the Republicans dropped every policy based on the bible like a rock, they would begin to dominate these forms of communication as they tapped into the nerd community.

 

[slackerinabox]

Many nerds seem to be socially liberal and fiscally conservative.

IMHO the first part comes from heavy exposure to the internet. It's open nature desensitizes people (who can really get offended by gay men kissing when they have seen things like tubgirl?) and the mass of information available makes living your whole life by the principles of a single (probably partially fictional) book seems quaint.

The second part comes because liberal economic policies usually stem from a sympathy for your fellow man that nerds simply don't have, probably due to partial exclusion from human society. Combine that with the fact that tech jobs are often in higher tax brackets and it becomes clear why nerdom seems to lean this way.


What I find hilarious is when Republican groups try to "leverage" social media and mobile devices, it is often 50 somethings trying to be hip with a new trick they learned from their teenagers and they have little success. Meanwhile the generation of nerds that fooking BUILT Facebook, Twitter, yournextfavoritemobileapp, etc. won't touch Republican causes with a 10 foot pole due to the social conservatism. I believe that if tomorrow the Republicans dropped every policy based on the bible like a rock, they would begin to dominate these forms of communication as they tapped into the nerd community.

Agree with a lot of what you're saying, I find the lack of empathy among nerds most frustrating (you know, snickering shouting 'DARWIN AWARD!' when some poor kid gets run over for doing something admittedly questionable), and see how it comes from a similar place as conservatives who blame all of our societies ills on the poor (instead of viewing poverty as a symptom).

I do fear the nu-Republican honestly - savvy, bright (at least technically savvy), and completely amoral now that religion's not there for even a hint of ethical balance. It's headed there, oddly triggered by the Gay debate partially (I think most young republicans just don't care). I just find it difficult to understand, isn't life just better when you view society as "US" vs "ME AGAINST THE WORLD!"?

 

[Markbnj]

OP is convinced he or she is part of an oppressed group, and came here to get confirmation and sympathy from the community.

Should go well.

 

[bradly1101]

Have you missed every debate on Gay Marriage and Trayvon Martin where liberals constantly call people who disagree with them racists or bigots?

In fact it is their primary argument.

Being labeled a bigot seems somewhat germain to the conversation (including labeling liberals as sometimes anti white bigots). I believe labeling someone (or group) as a retarded piece of s#it is not.

 

[nehalem256]

Being labeled a bigot seems somewhat germain to the conversation (including labeling liberals as sometimes anti white bigots). I believe labeling someone (or group) as a retarded piece of s#it is not.

The way liberals use it is really no different than just calling everyone they disagree with a poopyhead.

 

[nehalem256]

Well, I don't think there's a logical debate against gay marriage unless bigotry and/or the bible's involved.

Or you believe that marriage is more than just a benefits grabbing circle-jerk.

Just because liberals are close-minded and can't see other points of view does not mean other people cannot.

 

[Howard]

Being labeled a bigot seems somewhat germain to the conversation (including labeling liberals as sometimes anti white bigots). I believe labeling someone (or group) as a retarded piece of s#it is not.

If you're going to use a big word, you should spell it properly.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Only Nazism is real.

 

[shortylickens]

Or you believe that marriage is more than just a benefits grabbing circle-jerk.

You need to investigate the history of marriage.

 

[bradly1101]

If you're going to use a big word, you should spell it properly.

Doh! germane. I'm so retarded.

 

[Train]

Doh! germane. I'm so retarded.

Wow. seriously?

http://www.r-word.org/

 

[rivan]

<retracted>

 

[poofyhairguy]

Agree with a lot of what you're saying, I find the lack of empathy among nerds most frustrating

When you get picked on or singled out as a kid its hard to empathize with those who either did the teasing (and peaked in high school) or were implicit in keeping you out of their social group.

I do fear the nu-Republican honestly - savvy, bright (at least technically savvy), and completely amoral now that religion's not there for even a hint of ethical balance. It's headed there, oddly triggered by the Gay debate partially (I think most young republicans just don't care).

Don't be too afraid, I think the Republican party would rather run till the end of the line with social conservatives. I imagine the political niche I am describing will never be mainstream.

I just find it difficult to understand, isn't life just better when you view society as "US" vs "ME AGAINST THE WORLD!"?

Depends on your position, your perspective. If striving to improve "us" requires sacrifices to the "me" then its not a clear cut decision to most people. Especially nerds who prefer the company of machines to humans.

 

[bradly1101]

You arent smart enough to use the correct forum.

It's not just P&N.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?p=35301653

 

[Thebobo]

I keep hearing that in these discussions. Also
"retarded fu@king liberals," "piece of shit liberals," etc.

I would say 95% of it comes from one person the other 4% from another person and the rest is random lash out frustration.

 

[slackerinabox]

When you get picked on or singled out as a kid its hard to empathize with those who either did the teasing (and peaked in high school) or were implicit in keeping you out of their social group.

Funny, I was teased mercilessly (fat indian nerd in an irish/italian working class neighborhood) - my experience is partially why I'm so pro-gay, pro-progress, and pro-choice. I view the bullies as the enemies, the victims are to be protected because I was once in their shoes too.

Don't be too afraid, I think the Republican party would rather run till the end of the line with social conservatives. I imagine the political niche I am describing will never be mainstream.

I hope you're right... I see this new breed of republican guest on Bill Maher all the time (while Fox still embraces the bible thumper) and really think we'll see the return of the Pre-Regan/Religious right conservative within a few years.

Depends on your position, your perspective. If striving to improve "us" requires sacrifices to the "me" then its not a clear cut decision to most people. Especially nerds who prefer the company of machines to humans.

I get you, but for a group of people who claim to be so patriotic and religious (the J-man was the protypical 'EMPATHIZE WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR!' preacher after all), well - I find it all pretty hypocritical.

 

[Craig234]

I don't particularly like the word "Liberal" because it almost sounds more to the left than I am... I'm a gun-owning democrat who doesn't care for careless government spending, but wants the government to help control health care costs while cutting off those who abuse the system by blackballing them from as many government benefits as possible once they get found cheating the system.....ohh and "Yay Military!".....tax the uber rich.

Democrats don't care for careless government spending. That's the republican propaganda to get ignorant people to say 'I don't like waste so I'm against Democrats'.

It'd be like saying that the Republican party is mostly about liking to torture animals. If you like cats or dogs, you are not a Republican! If people fall for that crap, it gets their vote.

 

[Craig234]

Well, I don't think there's a logical debate against gay marriage unless bigotry and/or the bible's involved.

It's pretty funny.

Bigots now use being called a bigot as their argument they're right.

Nevermind it's accurate.

Thing is, if you tell the truth about it, they must be right!

 

[irishScott]

Agree with a lot of what you're saying, I find the lack of empathy among nerds most frustrating (you know, snickering shouting 'DARWIN AWARD!' when some poor kid gets run over for doing something admittedly questionable), and see how it comes from a similar place as conservatives who blame all of our societies ills on the poor (instead of viewing poverty as a symptom).

I do fear the nu-Republican honestly - savvy, bright (at least technically savvy), and completely amoral now that religion's not there for even a hint of ethical balance. It's headed there, oddly triggered by the Gay debate partially (I think most young republicans just don't care). I just find it difficult to understand, isn't life just better when you view society as "US" vs "ME AGAINST THE WORLD!"?

It goes both ways. I find many liberals to be overly empathetic to the point of naivete. I'm talking people who think that when defending your home with a gun, you're more likely to hurt your family than the robber; and that a baseball bat is a better option. People who think welfare cards should be redeemable for cash. People who hypocritically denounce Christianity for its social conservatism yet decry all critics of Islam as "Islamophobes". People who buy that Trayvon Martin was some innocent, cute little street kid and Zimmerman was some murderous white-hispanic racist killer.

^^^ Those are all discussions I've seen on this very forum, and parroted in some cases by major news organizations.

In many ways the Liberal ideology seems to be based around fear of pain, and that anything which reduces pain is a good thing, damn the costs. That's as scary an ideology to me as any social conservitard; and it's reflected rather well on the big stage. Democrats have no spine, and Republicans have no sense.

 

[poofyhairguy]

Funny, I was teased mercilessly (fat indian nerd in an irish/italian working class neighborhood) - my experience is partially why I'm so pro-gay, pro-progress, and pro-choice. I view the bullies as the enemies, the victims are to be protected because I was once in their shoes too.

That is a great choice for you personally and many see it that way I would suspect. Some simply don't, especially when its Mr. Childhood Bully that needs the help in his adult life via liberal policy because he doesn't have many marketable skills.

I hope you're right... I see this new breed of republican guest on Bill Maher all the time (while Fox still embraces the bible thumper) and really think we'll see the return of the Pre-Regan/Religious right conservative within a few years.

Without getting all P&N and I think immigration is key- Hispanics are the next great social conservative gold mind for the Republican Party if they can hold their nose and pass an amnesty bill. If they fail to expand the tent in this way, then the neo-cons might take over but it will be the minority party at that time.

I get you, but for a group of people who claim to be so patriotic and religious (the J-man was the protypical 'EMPATHIZE WITH YOUR NEIGHBOR!' preacher after all), well - I find it all pretty hypocritical.

I get where you are going with that when it comes to a old-school conservative, but a modern nerdy conservative is probably not living by the bible.

To a nerd instead of WWJD it is WWMD (what would Mario do?). And what Mario would do is leap off the backs of others to get that gold coin.