Liberal Tolerance is a Total Fallacy

[Pr0d1gy]

That's certainly one way to look at it. Another might be that, in general, moderates/conservatives are actually more accepting of ideological diversity than liberals.

I can buy that because there are about 30 versions of Christian-type faiths that the right fully accepts, along with some other religions. I find that this country is still pretty strong when it comes to religious freedom and has shown that religious freedom is not only possible but also the only acceptable future. I do also find that Pubs are much less likely to let go of their ideology even when the truth is slapping them in the face, like Greenspan still saying we need no regulation.

That's quite a theory.

Is that what you find in reality?

I can understand why you feel this way. I do find the right to be firmly entrenched in their ideology as stated before, but it's hard to call them devoid of diversity.

 

[jackstar7]

I can understand why you feel this way. I do find the right to be firmly entrenched in their ideology as stated before, but it's hard to call them devoid of diversity.

I really just wanted to address the way the study was presented with a pre-packaged conclusion based not on that evidence, but really just from a lot of suppositions.

 

[Pr0d1gy]

I really just wanted to address the way the study was presented with a pre-packaged conclusion based not on that evidence, but really just from a lot of suppositions.

If you look closely it says that 82% of people did not change anything at all, which in and of itself makes this entire study a ridiculous reach for agenda news. I posted something awhile back, lemme see if I can find it.

Here you go:

Actually it says in there that 82% of all the users made no change at all. And honestly, after my experience here, you really cannot blame the liberals for not wanting to hear what your side has to say. In this forum alone there are a dozen right wing nazis in training that just throw out the opposition without any rhyme or reason at all. Whereas I find most liberals these days are much more likely to not just blindly toe the company line like so many Pubs do.

Hell I have been called a liberal or dem on here multiple times already in just 2 days of posting. The sad thing about that is that Ron Paul was my candidate of choice for this election. I am an independant who studies all the issues carefully and bases his decision according to the issues that are most important to me and who most closely resembles my view.

The important issues for me in this election that made me want to vote for Paul was that he wants to rid this country of the thieves dens known as the World Bank and IMF, and he wants to end the War on Drugs, plus he truly believes in a smaller government unlike all the other modern Pubs who just give it lip service when someone brings it up.

Yet I am a Lefty Socialist according to the losers that sit here all day posting their right wing propaganda. I am voting for Obama, and so is my wife, and so are my parents after voting Republican for 40 years. That should tell you a lot about how far the right has gone off the deep end.

 

[cybrsage]

Awww, did your usual little game of semantics not work out like you thought it would that time?

Buck up little camper...there's always next time.

Huh? Just because you are upset that words actually have meanings does not suddenly cause them to stop having meanings.

Why do you demand the meanings of words not apply when you dislike them?

 

[fskimospy]

You should direct your profound insights to Pew...I'm sure they need some lulz as well.

Thanks! I was unaware that Pew had come to the conclusion that Facebook news feed activity was the best measure of the toleration of heterogeneous political views. I looked in the study but I couldn't find that passage.

 

[cybrsage]

I though pew was only half a phrase:

"pew pew!" (routeinly said while making fake guns with your fingers)

 

[werepossum]

+1

A true liberal is very tolerant. There is nothing less tolerant than a progressive - but only because evangelicals have to take time off for church. Unfortunately, far too many Americans are eager to use the armed might of government to control others' behavior. Conservatives want to control everything you do, progressives want to control everything you do and everything you think. At least in this case these folks are being bigoted on their own dime.

"The Grove is a gathering place for all Angelenos - who believe everything on the approved belief list and nothing not on the approved belief list." Hilarious. Mr. Pacquiao may well have a discrimination lawsuit here.

 

[werepossum]

I though pew was only half a phrase:

"pew pew!" (routeinly said while making fake guns with your fingers)

You are mistaken, sirrah. "Pew" is the sound people make when an Occupier walks by upwind.

 

[werepossum]

I dont know, there seems to be a little difference between the holocaust and not recognizing same-sex marriages. But maybe that is just me :hmm:

Of course there's a difference. Progressives are willing to overlook the Holocaust.

 

[fskimospy]

Of course there's a difference. Progressives are willing to overlook the Holocaust.

If you actually believe that, you are delusional.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Are you saying that Liberals are subjected to more belligerence and hate on Facebook than moderates/conservatves?

Quite possible.

Or that, ironically, intolerant people are more tolerant of intolerance?

Or perhaps, are you saying that Liberals are much more "sensitive" to "perceived" belligerence and hate?

/me checks posts....


Nope!

 

[etrigan420]

Huh? Just because you are upset that words actually have meanings does not suddenly cause them to stop having meanings.

Why do you demand the meanings of words not apply when you dislike them?

You're just butthurt that the site you tried to get to play pivot man in your little mental masturbation session lists "liberal" as the antonym to "intolerant", then crying about words having multiple meanings in a lame attempt to cover up your dick getting put in the dirt from your own linked definition.


It's cool though Pro-Jo. You're still daddys hero.

 

[jackstar7]

Of course there's a difference. Progressives are willing to overlook the Holocaust.

Dude.

You've made it clear you're a fellow capable of reasoned positions and arguments... so why be so needlessly antagonistic? Is there a little troll inside you yearning for attention?

 

[monovillage]

It isn't.

A self applied categorization on a social site and the subsequent blocking of undisclosed statements by individuals is not a way to judge a persons tolerance.

It is also a hell of a lot easier to not block or ignore someone's comments when you never add them to your friends list in the first place.

The comparison is flawed and really has nothing to say about the general situation.

Being liberal does not mean being willing to accept viewpoints that inherently reject others. It is not universal unquestioning acceptance.

Also, oddly enough, I have found more flame bait coming from the right than the left at many sites. Even going to the crunchiest granola site, it is hard to find people spewing as much hate as when scanning through the right side pundit repositories like Fox.

It ia a lot easier to tolerate "I don't like pollution" than it is to tolerate "I don't like fags".

Thanks for telling me what my whole life experience has been. I wouldn't have known otherwise.

 

[werepossum]

If you actually believe that, you are delusional.

Dude.

You've made it clear you're a fellow capable of reasoned positions and arguments... so why be so needlessly antagonistic? Is there a little troll inside you yearning for attention?

When I see some evidence that progressives are half as concerned about the Holocaust as about opposition toward gay marriage, I'll certainly reconsider. Perhaps some examples of proggies banning people because they deny the reality of the Holocaust would help.

I personally am in favor of gay marriage, almost obnoxiously so. No civil unions, no special contracts, just full marriage rights. I think the government has no business telling me whom I may or may not marry unless and until it can demonstrate a pressing societal need to do so, one that can only be fulfilled by such a prohibition. The difference is that, as a conservative, I don't demand that everyone else agree with me. I respect them, even though I think they are wrong. I don't call them Neanderthals, or evil, or demand that they be denied certain rights or kept away from polite society. I don't compare them to Nazis. I respect them even as I try to convince them that freedom and basic fairness are more compelling concerns than traditional American values - or more precisely, that the traditional American values of freedom and basic fairness are more important to preserve and nurture than the traditional American definition of marriage. I tolerate them.

Tolerating disagreement of belief is something conservatives don't always do, but it's something that progressives seldom do. For all your talk of nuance, every issue is black and white, the acceptable belief and the unacceptable belief.

 

[cybrsage]

You are mistaken, sirrah. "Pew" is the sound people make when an Occupier walks by upwind.

Silly me, you are right, routinely followed by the sound of retching.

 

[cybrsage]

You're just butthurt that the site you tried to get to play pivot man in your little mental masturbation session lists "liberal" as the antonym to "intolerant", then crying about words having multiple meanings in a lame attempt to cover up your dick getting put in the dirt from your own linked definition.

Still crying that you do not want words to have meanings? Awww...it is ok, we still tolerate you anway.

It's cool though Pro-Jo. You're still daddys hero.

You only say that to cover up that you are actually Pro-Jo. BAN etrigan!!!!! HE IS PROJO RETURNED! RARGH!!!!!!! spittle flying onto monitor...

We laugh AT you, not WITH you.

 

[Ninjahedge]

Thanks for telling me what my whole life experience has been. I wouldn't have known otherwise.

Where did I say "WP: This is your whole life experience"?

And don't even bother with a "not as such" explanation.......

 

[Ninjahedge]

BTW, although many should be concerned with the holocaust, why should that be a pressing issue more important than what is currently being discussed?

I agree, WWII was horrible.

WAS.

Is there a holocaust now?

Should I be more concerned about Jesus's crucifiction or the genocide in Somalia?

 

[cybrsage]

Should I be more concerned about Jesus's crucifiction or the genocide in Somalia?

It depends on whether you are more concerened about your soul or people you do not know.

 

[MooseNSquirrel]

Oh? What would Jesus do?

 

[etrigan420]

Still crying that you do not want words to have meanings? Awww...it is ok, we still tolerate you anway.




You only say that to cover up that you are actually Pro-Jo. BAN etrigan!!!!! HE IS PROJO RETURNED! RARGH!!!!!!! spittle flying onto monitor...

We laugh AT you, not WITH you.

When you lack substance, you certainly bring the funny.

...you *always* bring the funny.

 

[Moonbeam]

Here's an interesting study comparing liberal/moderate/conservative political tolerance conducted by Pew Research.
http://www.pewinternet.org/Reports/...ngs/Social-networking-sites-and-politics.aspx



When compared to moderates and conservatives..."Liberal tolerance" appears to be quite the oxymoron.

This tells us nothing, sadly. It does not objectively differentiate how disgusting conservatives are to have to listen too compared to liberals nor does it take into account how much conservatives are there to annoy other people and don't tune out because they want to bathe in the reactions they cause and thus need to read them.

 

[Rainsford]

Just read this forum to see plenty of example of liberal intolerance and bigotry.

In stark contrast to the openness and tolerance displayed by conservatives, right?

 

[Rainsford]

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Tolerating disagreement of belief is something conservatives don't always do, but it's something that progressives seldom do. For all your talk of nuance, every issue is black and white, the acceptable belief and the unacceptable belief.

I question your objectivity judging what the left and right do or don't do. Both sides have their bad moments when it comes to the "big tent" approach, but there are plenty of examples of lefties and righties embracing different viewpoints. The attraction of claiming "tolerance" for your personal ideology is appealing, but probably leads to inaccurate assessment of how tolerant people on your "side" really are. Particularly when your survey technique is to exclusively search for stories of the other side being intolerant

If you want a good example of where both sides need massive improvement, all you have to do is look at the hot button issues of the day. A politician taking the "wrong" side on an issue like that will result in them being absolutely destroyed by their party in most cases. Being a pro-gay marriage or anti-gun Republican or an anti-abortion or pro-torture Democrat will make things very hard for you.