Liberal sites drop gun control topic when shooter id was announced

[OrByte]

"Liberals" try. Quite frequently.

lost you right there pal.

Obama's gun control proposals:

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/summary-president-obama-gun-proposals.aspx

Requires background checks for all gun sales and strengthens the background check system. This would include removing barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act so that states may more freely share information about mental health issues involving potential gun purchasers.

Provides states with monetary incentives—$20 million in fiscal year FY 2013 and a proposed $50 million in FY 2014—to share information so that records on criminal history and people prohibited from gun ownership due to mental health reasons are more available.

Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds.

Provides additional tools to law enforcement. The plan proposes a crackdown on gun trafficking by asking Congress to pass legislation that closes “loopholes” in gun trafficking laws and establishes strict penalties for “straw purchasers” who pass a background check and then pass guns on to prohibited people.

Urges Congress to pass the administration’s $4 billion proposal to keep 15,000 state and local police officers on the street to help deter gun crime.

Maximizes efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. The president calls upon the attorney general to work with U.S. attorneys across the country to determine gaps occurring in this area and where supplemental resources are appropriate.

Provides training for “active shooter” situations to 14,000 law enforcement, first responders and school officials.

Directs the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services to issue a statement to health care providers that they are not prohibited by federal law from reporting threats of violence to the proper authorities.

Launches a national gun safety campaign to encourage responsible gun ownership and authorizes the Consumer Product Safety Commission to examine issues relating to gun safety locks.

Helps schools invest in safety. The president’s plan calls for more school resource officers and counselors in all schools through the Community Oriented Policing Services hiring program. The plan also calls for the federal government to assist schools in developing emergency management plans.

Improves mental health awareness through enhanced teacher training and referrals for treatment. The plan calls for the training of 5,000 additional mental health professionals nationwide. The plan also calls for coverage of mental health treatment under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008.



Argue all you want about banning military style assault weapons and 10 round magazines...knock yourself out. Smarter persons than you and I should be talking about it and debating it. There should be a legitimate national debate that includes research and study about what firearms should and shouldn't be allowed on our streets. We can't even get that far.

Out of the 11 initiatives listed there...NONE are going ANYWHERE because people like you can't get your head out of your asses because of your precious right to bear arms. And your politicians kill any attempt to move past your 2nd amendment rights.

the rest of your responses is just inane crap, not worth responding too.

 

[OrByte]

Choking on it? And I am the problem? From my perspective that reads like fear mongering. Prognosticating doom because people advocate for the rights our founders assured us. I do not dismiss the issue, I pragmatically accept that it is a flaw inherent to the proposition of personal liberty.

As to not desiring a constructive dialogue, where did I say that? You presume too much. I am not your cookie cutter P&N poster, that toes a party line. For instance, I am pro-gun, but I am also pro abortion. I am fiscally conservative but rarely vote republican because I find few candidates that represent that. This should give you some idea of how far off your assumptions about me are, based on my pro gun stance.

If I presume too much I apologize.
I don't normally prognosticate doom but like an earlier poster said you'd think a bunch of dead elementary kids (Sandy Brook) would have been enough to remove the stick up our asses about our 2nd amendment. My point is the 2nd amendment will survive any attempt to modernize our gun legislation, plenty of people will see to that.

but we can't get there because too many people are blocking reasonable legislative change. And these mass shootings are simply getting too close to home for me...so I'm a little bit more DOOM and GLOOM than usual.

Believe it or not I'm pro-gun too. I simply refuse to accept that we can't do better when it comes to gun control, mental health and social services and support, all because people wrap themselves up in a 2nd amendment debate when really thats just lazy thinking.

 

[OrByte]

Prognosticating doom because people advocate for the rights our founders assured us. I do not dismiss the issue, I pragmatically accept that it is a flaw inherent to the proposition of personal liberty.

To address this specifically. Advocate for your 2nd amendment rights all you like. Hell I will even HELP you. But like I demonstrated earlier:

how do background checks and federal databases, how does funding for school safety or police training or improvements to mental health have ANYTHING to do with your 2nd amendment rights? How do these things have ANYTHING to do with people trying to take away guns? or specifically YOUR guns?

I don't accept that "flaw" of our personal liberty. I think we can do better.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

If I presume too much I apologize.
I don't normally prognosticate doom but like an earlier poster said you'd think a bunch of dead elementary kids (Sandy Brook) would have been enough to remove the stick up our asses about our 2nd amendment. My point is the 2nd amendment will survive any attempt to modernize our gun legislation, plenty of people will see to that.

but we can't get there because too many people are blocking reasonable legislative change. And these mass shootings are simply getting too close to home for me...so I'm a little bit more DOOM and GLOOM than usual.

Believe it or not I'm pro-gun too. I simply refuse to accept that we can't do better when it comes to gun control, mental health and social services and support, all because people wrap themselves up in a 2nd amendment debate when really thats just lazy thinking.

I like what you wrote, with the exception of the dead kids part. Hundreds of thousands of children die every week, how is unimportant. Each is a tragedy in its own right. And many of those are preventable, yet the outcry over it is small.

So when people use a couple dozen dead children as a weapon or shield. An appeal to emotion; I see it as distasteful and inappropriate.

The mental health issue is entirely a separate one. That young lady used her car to plow into a parade a few weeks back. The unbalanced will act out one way or another. Making guns a focus, is only done because they are not considered as utilitarian as most other means of taking lives. But for myself, it is what makes people truly free, to own them because they want to, if for no other reason.

That some will abuse this is inevitable. Taking away or limiting rights of all, because of the actions of a few, will always be unjust. Part of being a free and open society, is understanding that. Risks are inherent, and most of us accept them.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

To address this specifically. Advocate for your 2nd amendment rights all you like. Hell I will even HELP you. But like I demonstrated earlier:

how do background checks and federal databases, how does funding for school safety or police training or improvements to mental health have ANYTHING to do with your 2nd amendment rights? How do these things have ANYTHING to do with people trying to take away guns? or specifically YOUR guns?

I don't accept that "flaw" of our personal liberty. I think we can do better.

I see. This was not what I initially responded to. I take no issue with those measures personally. That some on my side of the issue obstruct them is confusing.

 

[BoberFett]

lost you right there pal.

Obama's gun control proposals:

Is Obama the only "liberal" in the country? "Liberals" at all levels of government try to sneak in a lot of gun bans. How many cities and states get smacked down by a higher court because some gun law was unconstitutional? And those are only the high profile ones that actually make it into law. Plenty of others are voted down.

Get your head out of the sand. The rational left would probably have more productive conversations with the rational right if the first response wasn't always the shrill cry from the far left "BAN ALL GUNS!!!!!"

 

[OrByte]

I like what you wrote, with the exception of the dead kids part. Hundreds of thousands of children die every week, how is unimportant. Each is a tragedy in its own right. And many of those are preventable, yet the outcry over it is small.

So when people use a couple dozen dead children as a weapon or shield. An appeal to emotion; I see it as distasteful and inappropriate.

The mental health issue is entirely a separate one. That young lady used her car to plow into a parade a few weeks back. The unbalanced will act out one way or another. Making guns a focus, is only done because they are not considered as utilitarian as most other means of taking lives. But for myself, it is what makes people truly free, to own them because they want to, if for no other reason.

That some will abuse this is inevitable. Taking away or limiting rights of all, because of the actions of a few, will always be unjust. Part of being a free and open society, is understanding that. Risks are inherent, and most of us accept them.

Then we will be on opposite sides of this fence because the way I see it we are currently accepting a level of risk that isn't based on anything other than a serious overreach of 2nd amendment protectionism being advocated by the NRA and it's politicians for the purposes of industry and money making.

I will accept a level or risk when I cross the street and look both ways.

I won't accept that we as a nation are doing everything we can to keep illegal weapons off the street. Or that we are tracking weapon sales to make sure the wrong people aren't getting their hands on guns. And yes, I want to see if we as a Nation can determine whether some weapons, tools, materials that are currently legal should be made illegal if the science supports that these materials statistically increase the likelihood of gun violence.

I think that the banned weapons list (I forget it's name) should be modernized based on scientific and mathematical statistics to support that some guns and materials simply shouldn't be sold on the street.

 

[SP33Demon]

No we have a nucking futs problem.

And what is the cause of that problem? Possibly letting too many immigrants into the country (i.e. destruction of social cohesion) and destruction of nuclear family and its values? IMO our golden years were when social cohesion were at its strongest - mostly white, mostly married, and mostly Christian. Dilute this too much and social cohesion drops to where we fear our neighbor more because they are different culturally/religiously/economically/genetically. More and more studies like the Michigan State one are showing that diversity is a failed experiment. Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that this Islamic nut would have shot up a community center if it was all people like him (e.g. a mosque)? This wackjob belonged in Saudi Arabia, not here. Ultimately, people are moving to neighborhoods where there are more people like themselves because we inherently seek social cohesion - look at the population dot map. Most major cities are self segregated, despite having huge genetic diversity (see Chicago/NYC/Philly/Atlanta etc).

Oh, I forgot to add the fact that our society is becoming one giant vagina - physically (lower testosterone in men) and ideologically (confused gender roles where women think being more like men will make them happier). Combine all of these things:

1) Fear of neighbor/declining social cohesion due to increasing diversity,
2) Vagina society infringing on traditionally all male institutions and women attempting to become men (working full time career instead of having kids so there is now a negative birthrate, and working women who don't have time for their kids),
3) Crazy Islamic nuts being allowed to emigrate here (like the SB shooter's bride),
4) A shit economy driven by corporate public company greed with less benefits for every generation than the last (e.g. no more pensions) which is eroding the middle class,
5) Higher divorce rate/less nuclear family, possibly due to variables like eroding Christian values and the new child-worship phenomenon where spouses are emotionally putting their kids before one another (who they took a vow with for life).
6) Hypersensitive SJW PC bro's in their "safe spaces" who think getting busted on = bullying b/c their pussy parents never taught them how to wisecrack back i.e. get a thick skin,
7) Prevalence of rap music and its trash messages (f multiple bitches/i'll steal your bitch, f getting married, get money and all material things, I'll shoot you if you piss me off, do/deal lots of drugs) being played ubiquitously on even normal pop radio now
8) Prevalence of social media making us dumber according to recent studies,
9) Kids living in isolation from one another with no f2f social interaction due to being entertained by a screen all day, e.g. video games often violent First Person Shooters, social media, youtube, movies/Netflix, etc.
10) Parents too busy to feed their kids healthy homemade food due to both parents working
11) Obesity skyrocketing because kids are too lazy to work out (see #8,#9 for what they'd rather do and #10 for one of the causes)
12) Schools testing the shit out of kids more and more via memorization, putting them under more pressure than previous generations
13) Kids graduating yet having trouble finding honest working wage jobs (see #4)
14) Kids graduating with significantly more debt than their parents' generations due to education costs outpacing inflation and wage increases
15) Erosion of the Christian Church which at least helped fill gaps in parenting in previous generations
16) Consumerism which tells us we need to buy the latest/greatest gadget, even if we can't afford it - just charge it! Combined with #13/#14, kids are financially screwed because many of their parents can't manage money properly and are in debt themselves
17) Increasing taxes on things that shouldn't be taxed (e.g. Chicago's cloud/Netflix 9% tax) and rising healthcare costs that are outpacing inflation due to factors like ACA

Depressed yet? Getting the picture as to why people are snapping more and more in this country? Feel free to add to the list. This is only the surface.

 

[glenn1]

If I presume too much I apologize.
I don't normally prognosticate doom but like an earlier poster said you'd think a bunch of dead elementary kids (Sandy Brook) would have been enough to remove the stick up our asses about our 2nd amendment. My point is the 2nd amendment will survive any attempt to modernize our gun legislation, plenty of people will see to that.

but we can't get there because too many people are blocking reasonable legislative change. And these mass shootings are simply getting too close to home for me...so I'm a little bit more DOOM and GLOOM than usual.

Believe it or not I'm pro-gun too. I simply refuse to accept that we can't do better when it comes to gun control, mental health and social services and support, all because people wrap themselves up in a 2nd amendment debate when really thats just lazy thinking.

You say reasonable change, I say unconstitutional usurpation of rights. I fear authoritarians taking away rights (for my own protection of course) far, far more than some crazy guy with a rifle. The former is a certain and present risk to me and all Americans, the second is a completely random and remote risk that's still manageable. You just don't give a shit about the first because you don't care to assert that right so you don't lose anything if it's scaled back.

 

[shady28]

"The Constitution of most of our states (and of the United States) assert that all power is inherent in the people; that they may exercise it by themselves; that it is their right and duty to be at all times armed."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to to John Cartwright, 5 June 1824



"To disarm the people...s the most effectual way to enslave them."
- George Mason, referencing advice given to the British Parliament by Pennsylvania governor Sir William Keith, The Debates in the Several State Conventions on the Adoption of the Federal Constitution, June 14, 1788


"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops."
- Noah Webster, An Examination of the Leading Principles of the Federal Constitution, October 10, 1787


"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined.... The great object is that every man be armed. Everyone who is able might have a gun."
- Patrick Henry, Speech to the Virginia Ratifying Convention, June 5, 1778


"The Constitution shall never be construed to prevent the people of the United States who are peaceable citizens from keeping their own arms."
- Samuel Adams, Massachusetts Ratifying Convention, 1788


"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear their private arms."
- Tench Coxe, Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18, 1789


"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery."
- Thomas Jefferson, letter to James Madison, January 30, 1787

 

[Knowing]

2 things:
1) rifle classifications depend primarily on the size of the cartridge, whether the weapon is select fire, and the characteristics of the stock.

The ak47 is not a battle rifle, an ak pattern rifle that is not select fire is not an assault rifle.

2) The definition of "assault weapon" is nebulous and mostly based on furniture (aesthetics) because anti-gun people are afraid of things that are big and black.

bonus) 7.62 x39 Soviet is smaller than 7.62x51 NATO, which is derived from .308 Winchester. In some places any smaller caliber (.223 aka 5.56 NATO) is considered inhumane for shooting deer.

bonus II) The IBA with SAPI plates is supposed to offer "increased protection" from 7.62 soviet but at best is expected to attenuate the trauma. Bog standard LEO armor would never be expected to stand up to a rifle round, but that doesn't imply that the rounds themselves are "armor piercing" which, again, defines a specific class of ammunition.

 

[CitizenKain]

And what is the cause of that problem? Possibly letting too many immigrants into the country (i.e. destruction of social cohesion) and destruction of nuclear family and its values? IMO our golden years were when social cohesion were at its strongest - mostly white, mostly married, and mostly Christian. Dilute this too much and social cohesion drops to where we fear our neighbor more because they are different culturally/religiously/economically/genetically. More and more studies like the Michigan State one are showing that diversity is a failed experiment. Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that this Islamic nut would have shot up a community center if it was all people like him (e.g. a mosque)? This wackjob belonged in Saudi Arabia, not here. Ultimately, people are moving to neighborhoods where there are more people like themselves because we inherently seek social cohesion - look at the population dot map. Most major cities are self segregated, despite having huge genetic diversity (see Chicago/NYC/Philly/Atlanta etc).

Oh, I forgot to add the fact that our society is becoming one giant vagina - physically (lower testosterone in men) and ideologically (confused gender roles where women think being more like men will make them happier). Combine all of these things:

1) Fear of neighbor/declining social cohesion due to increasing diversity,
2) Vagina society infringing on traditionally all male institutions and women attempting to become men (working full time career instead of having kids so there is now a negative birthrate, and working women who don't have time for their kids),
3) Crazy Islamic nuts being allowed to emigrate here (like the SB shooter's bride),
4) A shit economy driven by corporate public company greed with less benefits for every generation than the last (e.g. no more pensions) which is eroding the middle class,
5) Higher divorce rate/less nuclear family, possibly due to variables like eroding Christian values and the new child-worship phenomenon where spouses are emotionally putting their kids before one another (who they took a vow with for life).
6) Hypersensitive SJW PC bro's in their "safe spaces" who think getting busted on = bullying b/c their pussy parents never taught them how to wisecrack back i.e. get a thick skin,
7) Prevalence of rap music and its trash messages (f multiple bitches/i'll steal your bitch, f getting married, get money and all material things, I'll shoot you if you piss me off, do/deal lots of drugs) being played ubiquitously on even normal pop radio now
8) Prevalence of social media making us dumber according to recent studies,
9) Kids living in isolation from one another with no f2f social interaction due to being entertained by a screen all day, e.g. video games often violent First Person Shooters, social media, youtube, movies/Netflix, etc.
10) Parents too busy to feed their kids healthy homemade food due to both parents working
11) Obesity skyrocketing because kids are too lazy to work out (see #8,#9 for what they'd rather do and #10 for one of the causes)
12) Schools testing the shit out of kids more and more via memorization, putting them under more pressure than previous generations
13) Kids graduating yet having trouble finding honest working wage jobs (see #4)
14) Kids graduating with significantly more debt than their parents' generations due to education costs outpacing inflation and wage increases
15) Erosion of the Christian Church which at least helped fill gaps in parenting in previous generations
16) Consumerism which tells us we need to buy the latest/greatest gadget, even if we can't afford it - just charge it! Combined with #13/#14, kids are financially screwed because many of their parents can't manage money properly and are in debt themselves
17) Increasing taxes on things that shouldn't be taxed (e.g. Chicago's cloud/Netflix 9% tax) and rising healthcare costs that are outpacing inflation due to factors like ACA

Depressed yet? Getting the picture as to why people are snapping more and more in this country? Feel free to add to the list. This is only the surface.

Literally the dumbest shit I've read in a long time, but its no surprise its coming from a racist piece of shit like you. You and any of your relatives are human garbage and I hope you all get out of this country.

 

[DrDoug]

And what is the cause of that problem? Possibly letting too many immigrants into the country (i.e. destruction of social cohesion) and destruction of nuclear family and its values? IMO our golden years were when social cohesion were at its strongest - mostly white, mostly married, and mostly Christian. Dilute this too much and social cohesion drops to where we fear our neighbor more because they are different culturally/religiously/economically/genetically. More and more studies like the Michigan State one are showing that diversity is a failed experiment. Can you honestly tell me with a straight face that this Islamic nut would have shot up a community center if it was all people like him (e.g. a mosque)? This wackjob belonged in Saudi Arabia, not here. Ultimately, people are moving to neighborhoods where there are more people like themselves because we inherently seek social cohesion - look at the population dot map. Most major cities are self segregated, despite having huge genetic diversity (see Chicago/NYC/Philly/Atlanta etc).

Oh, I forgot to add the fact that our society is becoming one giant vagina - physically (lower testosterone in men) and ideologically (confused gender roles where women think being more like men will make them happier). Combine all of these things:

1) Fear of neighbor/declining social cohesion due to increasing diversity,
2) Vagina society infringing on traditionally all male institutions and women attempting to become men (working full time career instead of having kids so there is now a negative birthrate, and working women who don't have time for their kids),
3) Crazy Islamic nuts being allowed to emigrate here (like the SB shooter's bride),
4) A shit economy driven by corporate public company greed with less benefits for every generation than the last (e.g. no more pensions) which is eroding the middle class,
5) Higher divorce rate/less nuclear family, possibly due to variables like eroding Christian values and the new child-worship phenomenon where spouses are emotionally putting their kids before one another (who they took a vow with for life).
6) Hypersensitive SJW PC bro's in their "safe spaces" who think getting busted on = bullying b/c their pussy parents never taught them how to wisecrack back i.e. get a thick skin,
7) Prevalence of rap music and its trash messages (f multiple bitches/i'll steal your bitch, f getting married, get money and all material things, I'll shoot you if you piss me off, do/deal lots of drugs) being played ubiquitously on even normal pop radio now
8) Prevalence of social media making us dumber according to recent studies,
9) Kids living in isolation from one another with no f2f social interaction due to being entertained by a screen all day, e.g. video games often violent First Person Shooters, social media, youtube, movies/Netflix, etc.
10) Parents too busy to feed their kids healthy homemade food due to both parents working
11) Obesity skyrocketing because kids are too lazy to work out (see #8,#9 for what they'd rather do and #10 for one of the causes)
12) Schools testing the shit out of kids more and more via memorization, putting them under more pressure than previous generations
13) Kids graduating yet having trouble finding honest working wage jobs (see #4)
14) Kids graduating with significantly more debt than their parents' generations due to education costs outpacing inflation and wage increases
15) Erosion of the Christian Church which at least helped fill gaps in parenting in previous generations
16) Consumerism which tells us we need to buy the latest/greatest gadget, even if we can't afford it - just charge it! Combined with #13/#14, kids are financially screwed because many of their parents can't manage money properly and are in debt themselves
17) Increasing taxes on things that shouldn't be taxed (e.g. Chicago's cloud/Netflix 9% tax) and rising healthcare costs that are outpacing inflation due to factors like ACA

Depressed yet? Getting the picture as to why people are snapping more and more in this country? Feel free to add to the list. This is only the surface.

I take it you were fed nothing but Froot Loops throughout your childhood. You sure have issues, that's for sure...lol!

 

[xgsound]

Battle rifle uses a full sized cartridge.

The 7.62x39 is a midsized cartridge.

does not change that liberals dropped the gun control topic after the shooters were id'ed as middle eastern.

Sarc on/ Oh texas guy, they're going to beat you up on this one. I'll start ... I guess that makes the m16 a cheesburger. Sarc off/
EDIT: Wow, I missed "start" by a mile

Jim

 

[SP33Demon]

Literally the dumbest shit I've read in a long time, but its no surprise its coming from a racist piece of shit like you. You and any of your relatives are human garbage and I hope you all get out of this country.

Aw, the cute libs denying AAU scientific studies like this that prove diversity doesn't work. Every time I list the studies you shitlibs run with your tails hiding behind your legs and nothing to refute the fact that social cohesion is incompatible with diversity. The diversity experiment is over, wake up. Look at what your country is saying about Syrian refugees - and I bet behind closed doors you are thinking the same thing. The studies are correct and be sure to let us know when you open up your home to Syrians ahahaha. I love it when the truth hurts, my post struck a nerve with you shitlibs because you know I'm right. You're too scared to refute anything I said. I'm the only one with enough balls to tell it like it is. Hate me if you want, but all of my beliefs are backed by facts.

 

[SP33Demon]

I take it you were fed nothing but Froot Loops throughout your childhood. You sure have issues, that's for sure...lol!

Typical shitlib response, see my post above for your ilk.
1) Let us know when you're ready to adopt syrian refugees.
2) Let us know when you've found recent studies that prove social cohesion increases with diversity and doesn't increase fear.
3) Let us know when you're ready to refute anything I said which are backed by facts.

 

[alien42]

racist rant

wow, let that racist flag fly free.

 

[SP33Demon]

wow, let that racist flag fly free.

And stop denying that everyone is racist to some degree. Feel free to refute the MSU study that diversity decreases social cohesion. Multiple other studies are now proving this, if you'd like I can PM you more. What's better, accepting reality or keep putting your fingers in your ear going lalalalalalala? I know, changing beliefs is hard at first but we cannot ignore the raw data. There are reasons why the majority of the United States don't want syrian refugees and muslims are radicalizing and killing us at an alarming rate. Reasons many people are scared to explore, because it may just shatter what they thought they believed about themselves and what society has conditioned them to believe.

 

[Brovane]

People who know shit-all about firearms should stop acting like they do. Definitions don't change just because you think they should. For the last and final time, the AK47 is an assault rifle.

The sale of 'Assault Rifles' to civilians in the state of CA has been banned since 2000.

 

[DrDoug]

Typical shitlib response, see my post above for your ilk.
1) Let us know when you're ready to adopt syrian refugees.
2) Let us know when you've found recent studies that prove social cohesion increases with diversity and doesn't increase fear.
3) Let us know when you're ready to refute anything I said which are backed by facts.

I'm not registered with any fucking party and I have no party affiliation because they both suck. I just vote for the one that sucks less, so fuck you very much. Lately it's been the party with the D because the R's have gone off the deep end.

1) If the government vets the refugees and they are deemed OK then let them in.
2) No studies necessary, my Hispanic/Native American neighbors beat the stuffing out of the white Colorado Christian couple whose husband was a angry drunk. I love my new neighbors, they are really nice people. The Colorado couple ended up selling their house at a loss (to the new family) and moving back to Colorado after her husband successfully pissed off just about every neighbor on the street and cop in our town. I'll take diversity for the win.
3) I can't refute anything that people like you say because you are impervious to facts, they mean nothing to you unless they agree with your preconceived notions. Arguing with a tree stump would be more productive.

Please do humanity a favor and step out in front of a speeding semi. Thanks!

 

[alien42]

continued racist rant

sorry, but i am not buying the racism you are selling.

but keep selling it and one day karma will come calling.

 

[Brovane]

lost you right there pal.

Obama's gun control proposals:

http://www.ncsl.org/research/civil-and-criminal-justice/summary-president-obama-gun-proposals.aspx

Requires background checks for all gun sales and strengthens the background check system. This would include removing barriers under the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act so that states may more freely share information about mental health issues involving potential gun purchasers.

Provides states with monetary incentives—$20 million in fiscal year FY 2013 and a proposed $50 million in FY 2014—to share information so that records on criminal history and people prohibited from gun ownership due to mental health reasons are more available.

Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds.

Provides additional tools to law enforcement. The plan proposes a crackdown on gun trafficking by asking Congress to pass legislation that closes “loopholes” in gun trafficking laws and establishes strict penalties for “straw purchasers” who pass a background check and then pass guns on to prohibited people.

Urges Congress to pass the administration’s $4 billion proposal to keep 15,000 state and local police officers on the street to help deter gun crime.

Maximizes efforts to prevent gun violence and prosecute gun crime. The president calls upon the attorney general to work with U.S. attorneys across the country to determine gaps occurring in this area and where supplemental resources are appropriate.

Provides training for “active shooter” situations to 14,000 law enforcement, first responders and school officials.

Directs the secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services to issue a statement to health care providers that they are not prohibited by federal law from reporting threats of violence to the proper authorities.

Launches a national gun safety campaign to encourage responsible gun ownership and authorizes the Consumer Product Safety Commission to examine issues relating to gun safety locks.

Helps schools invest in safety. The president’s plan calls for more school resource officers and counselors in all schools through the Community Oriented Policing Services hiring program. The plan also calls for the federal government to assist schools in developing emergency management plans.

Improves mental health awareness through enhanced teacher training and referrals for treatment. The plan calls for the training of 5,000 additional mental health professionals nationwide. The plan also calls for coverage of mental health treatment under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act and the Mental Health Parity and Addiction Equity Act of 2008.



Argue all you want about banning military style assault weapons and 10 round magazines...knock yourself out. Smarter persons than you and I should be talking about it and debating it. There should be a legitimate national debate that includes research and study about what firearms should and shouldn't be allowed on our streets. We can't even get that far.

Out of the 11 initiatives listed there...NONE are going ANYWHERE because people like you can't get your head out of your asses because of your precious right to bear arms. And your politicians kill any attempt to move past your 2nd amendment rights.

the rest of your responses is just inane crap, not worth responding too.

Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds.

This has been the case in the state of CA since 2000, yet it didn't prevent the shooting. Why do you think a national law would help to prevent these type of shootings?

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Then we will be on opposite sides of this fence because the way I see it we are currently accepting a level of risk that isn't based on anything other than a serious overreach of 2nd amendment protectionism being advocated by the NRA and it's politicians for the purposes of industry and money making.

I will accept a level or risk when I cross the street and look both ways.

I won't accept that we as a nation are doing everything we can to keep illegal weapons off the street. Or that we are tracking weapon sales to make sure the wrong people aren't getting their hands on guns. And yes, I want to see if we as a Nation can determine whether some weapons, tools, materials that are currently legal should be made illegal if the science supports that these materials statistically increase the likelihood of gun violence.

I think that the banned weapons list (I forget it's name) should be modernized based on scientific and mathematical statistics to support that some guns and materials simply shouldn't be sold on the street.

No worries. You keep voting for what you support, so will I. Ain't our Republic grand?

 

[Chidoro]

Bans military-style assault weapons and limits magazines to a capacity of 10 rounds.

This has been the case in the state of CA since 2000, yet it didn't prevent the shooting. Why do you think a national law would help to prevent these type of shootings?

If it's national, you won't purchase it where you can and drive across a border and use it where you can't. Seems pretty obvious.

 

[Brovane]

If it's national, you won't purchase it where you can and drive across a border and use it where you can't. Seems pretty obvious.

The news report are saying the shooter's purchased the weapons in CA.