Liberal sites drop gun control topic when shooter id was announced

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Like France?



Background checks are already oppressive enough. I should not have to jump through hoops to exercise my rights.

maybe you should, especially when those rights are violating the rights of people of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Not taking your guns away, just trying to shore up some of the gaping loopholes in acquiring them.

 

[Texashiker]

Not taking your guns away, just trying to shore up some of the gaping loopholes in acquiring them.

I disagree.

Requiring backgrounds checks is nothing more than a barrier in the free exercising of rights.

Liberals - no voter id card, but you have to have a background check to exercise other rights.

The firearms used in the shooting were legally bought. The issue here is radical islam and not gun control.

 

[Londo_Jowo]

Yes, when I got my FOID I had a background check. When I bought my S&W 686+, I was background checked.

Gun shows and private sales. There are loopholes that allow anybody to buy a gun without a background check. When people say they want universal background checks, they really mean, plug the leaks, and make it waterproof, they don't necessarily want a whole new boat.

The last couple of gun shows I've gone to in the Houston area do not allow any sellers without a federal license (FFL). No do they allow any sales to take place in the parking lot.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I disagree.

Requiring backgrounds checks is nothing more than a barrier in the free exercising of rights.

Liberals - no voter id card, but you have to have a background check to exercise other rights.

well, suck it up buttercup. you'll still get your gun, as long as you're not mentally unbalanced, a felon, on a no-fly list, etc.

got something to hide toothless?

 

[Texashiker]

The last couple of gun shows I've gone to in the Houston area do not allow any sellers without a federal license (FFL). No do they allow any sales to take place in the parking lot.

You talking about the big george r brown gun show?

I have not been to one of those in years.

 

[BurnItDwn]

You would make people jump through hoops to exercise their rights?

Maybe put restrictions on who may exercise their rights, when and where?

The right to bear arms can not infringe upon the right to life.
Thus, it is a responsibility to perform a background check on a person if they are going to be sold or given a firearm. It is not like voter ID cards or anything, where they try to stop certain people from voting by making it harder to vote. This more or less is to attempt to reduce the amount of guns violent criminals acquire, while still allowing sales to all law abiding citizens.


Grey areas/uncertainties would be "what qalifies as poor mental health", and this is where it can get complicated ... but weather or not certain sales should be exempt from a background check, absolutely no exemptions should be allowed.

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

I disagree.

Requiring backgrounds checks is nothing more than a barrier in the free exercising of rights.

Liberals - no voter id card, but you have to have a background check to exercise other rights.

The firearms used in the shooting were legally bought. The issue here is radical islam and not gun control.

So I take it you oppose preventing convicted felons and the floridly mentally ill from buying guns? What about children? Are you saying even requiring an ID to buy a gun is "a barrier in the free exercising of rights"? If so, how would you distinguish between American citizens, who have 2nd Amendment rights, and undocumented aliens, who don't?

 

[BurnItDwn]

The last couple of gun shows I've gone to in the Houston area do not allow any sellers without a federal license (FFL). No do they allow any sales to take place in the parking lot.

Excellent, then this should be a piece of cake, most gun shows already have tightened their own rules because they obviously dont want the dealers to sell guns to "bad guys."

 

[alien42]

Liberals - no voter id card, but you have to have a background check to exercise other rights.

guns kill people, voting doesn't.

i do understand your anger though since you clearly would not be allowed to buy or own a firearm if given a mental stability test.

 

[kage69]

Requiring backgrounds checks is nothing more than a barrier in the free exercising of rights.

Are you being serious here?

Liberals - no voter id card, but you have to have a background check to exercise other rights.

So, just so I'm clear here: you are disparaging liberals for not wanting to spend money on something that isn't a problem (voter fraud) but also because they want to prevent something that is a very serious problem? (mass shootings) Really?

I'd like to think you know what bullets do, but you do realize that you can't kill anyone with a ballot, right? Holy epic comparison fail!

And for the record, this gun owner disagrees entirely with your bizarre interpretation on background checks. They are entirely appropriate given our situation and shame on you for your selfish paranoia.

 

[Fern]

I think you're confusing things. You obviously don't understand anything that I've said. But for what its worth, 20% is a far cry from the - what, 90%? - that own guns in the USA. Yukon is a far cry away from where I live too for that matter.
-snip-

Gun ownership in the USA is closer to 30% (not 90%).

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031

Fern

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Legally obtained BTW. Sorry to be blunt but more stringent gun control isn't going to happen and certainly not confiscation, so you're better off accepting there's going to be a certain amount of crazy that happens in an open society and deal with it. Hell, I don't like what the Westboro Baptist people say but still recognize that a free and open society and respecting our civil rights means I'm going to need to deal with people saying crazy shit sometimes.

Hear hear.

If only more people would embrace this simple fact. Instead of becoming afraid, and feeling unsafe. Then acting out on that fear and insecurity. It results in infringing on our rights, so they can sleep at night.

The leading causes of death in the U.S. -

Heart disease
Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
Chronic lower respiratory disease
Accidents (unintentional injuries)
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
Alzheimer's disease
Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)
Suicide (intentional self-harm).

But I guess those are not sexy enough? Better that we take away guns, spy on each other, and attach hateful labels to one another. The alternative, as you observed, is accepting that it is the downside, the cost, of a most excellent way of life. Eliminating one without the other, is highly improbable.

 

[OrByte]

Gun ownership in the USA is closer to 30% (not 90%).

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/one-three-americans-own-guns-culture-factor-study-finds-n384031

Fern

think he might be talking about some statistics that say there are approx 88 guns for every 100 americans currently in the USA.

Statistics...nasty little critters sometimes 🙂

“Part of the challenge up here, and I think the frustration that people feel is, is everybody kind of feels like we should do something, but doing something versus doing something which will actually makes a difference are two different things.," said Sen. Mike Rounds, R-S.D. "Sometimes we focus on the gun itself when we probably should be focusing on the person that’s using that gun.”


source: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...an-urges-caution-on-gun-legislation/76714608/

This is the crux of the logical problem. It is a false dichotomy argument...it is "either you work on GUNS or you work on MENTAL HEALTH." This is FALLACIOUS REASONING PEOPLE!!!!

That's when you get no one to agree on anything...

and the can gets kicked down the road. Makes sense for the NRA and it's politicians right?

I'd like to think our great nation is full of smart, sophisticated, intelligent people in areas of science, research, education, AND government.

Maybe we should start electing people that can manage to look at the issue as both a GUN AND a MENTAL HEALTH/SOCIAL problem?

 

[feralkid]

nm

 

[rudder]

Does not change that America has an outrageous gun violence problem.

Well if you take gang violence out of the statistics. 14 dead.... That is a typical weekly body count in Chicago. There are news reports on my local station several times a week about shootings. My chances of being involved with gun violence.... Very low since I stay out of those shitty neighborhoods.

Statistically speaking there is not much of a gun violence problem with a super majority of legal gun owners.

 

[OrByte]

Hear hear.

If only more people would embrace this simple fact. Instead of becoming afraid, and feeling unsafe. Then acting out on that fear and insecurity. It results in infringing on our rights, so they can sleep at night.

The leading causes of death in the U.S. -

Heart disease
Cancer (malignant neoplasms)
Chronic lower respiratory disease
Accidents (unintentional injuries)
Stroke (cerebrovascular diseases)
Alzheimer's disease
Diabetes (diabetes mellitus)
Influenza and pneumonia
Kidney disease (nephritis, nephrotic syndrome, and nephrosis)
Suicide (intentional self-harm).

But I guess those are not sexy enough? Better that we take away guns, spy on each other, and attach hateful labels to one another. The alternative, as you observed, is accepting that it is the downside, the cost, of a most excellent way of life. Eliminating one without the other, is highly improbable.

you and the person you quoted are a problem.

who is trying to take YOUR guns away? And if there are constitutional protections in place, what are you so afraid of? You can't just yell "RIGHT TO BARE ARMS" as some sort of blanket shield to protect your precious rights. There has to be a sensible approach to permitting what arms are allowed on our streets. And acknowledge that people are looking into the nuance that exists to take away harmful materials (Guns/Ammo/Tools whatever the case maybe) The situation has to be addressed more SMARTLY. In terms of recognizing rights do exist BUT looking at the materials that are on our streets to see if there is a better way to regulate this.

I wish WISH I could live in the world you do, where if I perceive a threat to my right to bare arms I can just shrug off any sensible dialogue about further legislating harmful materials that seem to cause more bad than good in this age.

You've got that american flag wrapped up too tight around yourself. Choking on our own freedom, that is what is going to happen.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Well if you take gang violence out of the statistics. 14 dead.... That is a typical weekly body count in Chicago. There are news reports on my local station several times a week about shootings. My chances of being involved with gun violence.... Very low since I stay out of those shitty neighborhoods.

Statistically speaking there is not much of a gun violence problem with a super majority of legal gun owners.

Another excellent post.

It illustrates the fact that special interest groups leverage tragedies like this one, to further their own agendas.

 

[BoberFett]

Oh really? so it's the "loudest people" on the gun control side that are blocking the most widely supported, compromise gun legislation like universal background checks?

Wait, no, it's the gun lobby.

BAN SCARY BLACK RIFLES!!!! THE KIND WITH SILENCERS AND BARREL SHROUDS AND THE PART THAT GOES UP!!!

Gee, you're right, only one side is hysterical. 🙄

 

[ViperXX]

Does not change that America has an outrageous gun violence problem.

No we have a nucking futs problem.

 

[OrByte]

BAN SCARY BLACK RIFLES!!!! THE KIND WITH SILENCERS AND BARREL SHROUDS AND THE PART THAT GOES UP!!!

Gee, you're right, only one side is hysterical. 🙄

Both sides have their share of hysterics.

I see only one side trying to pass reasonable legislation (background checks, federal database) while the otherside is focused on their right to bear arms.

background checks/federal database vs right to bear arms.

does that make sense?

 

[BoberFett]

who is trying to take YOUR guns away?

"Liberals" try. Quite frequently.

And if there are constitutional protections in place, what are you so afraid of?

Then stop worrying about the right to vote, or speak freely, or be free from unlawful searches. What are you so afraid of?

You can't just yell "RIGHT TO BARE ARMS" as some sort of blanket shield to protect your precious rights.

Why not?

There has to be a sensible approach to permitting what arms are allowed on our streets.

Why?

And acknowledge that people are looking into the nuance that exists to take away harmful materials (Guns/Ammo/Tools whatever the case maybe)

That's not the government's job.

The situation has to be addressed more SMARTLY.

Then you're definitely not the man for the job.

In terms of recognizing rights do exist BUT looking at the materials that are on our streets to see if there is a better way to regulate this.

Again, not your job.

I wish WISH I could live in the world you do, where if I perceive a threat to my right to bare arms I can just shrug off any sensible dialogue about further legislating harmful materials that seem to cause more bad than good in this age.

Again, not your job.

You've got that american flag wrapped up too tight around yourself. Choking on our own freedom, that is what is going to happen.

Jingoistic bullshit.

 

[BoberFett]

Both sides have their share of hysterics.

I see only one side trying to pass reasonable restrictions (background checks, federal database) while the otherside is focused on their right to bear arms.

background checks/federal database vs right to bear arms.

does that make sense?

Point me to the specific restrictions proposed that the "hysterical side" is preventing.

What kind of logic failure does it take to realize that there's no gun manufacturer lobby trying to make it impossible to sell guns privately, right?

Every industry in the world would LOVE a law that made it illegal to sell the thing you bought from them. It would mean that anyone who wanted one would have to back to the manufacturer. That's a huge sale booster. Just look at the industries with copyright. Do you see them fighting for or against the right to resell something you bought?

Stop and think before opening your ignorant mouth.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

you and the person you quoted are a problem.

who is trying to take YOUR guns away? And if there are constitutional protections in place, what are you so afraid of? You can't just yell "RIGHT TO BARE ARMS" as some sort of blanket shield to protect your precious rights. There has to be a sensible approach to permitting what arms are allowed on our streets. And acknowledge that people are looking into the nuance that exists to take away harmful materials (Guns/Ammo/Tools whatever the case maybe) The situation has to be addressed more SMARTLY. In terms of recognizing rights do exist BUT looking at the materials that are on our streets to see if there is a better way to regulate this.

I wish WISH I could live in the world you do, where if I perceive a threat to my right to bare arms I can just shrug off any sensible dialogue about further legislating harmful materials that seem to cause more bad than good in this age.

You've got that american flag wrapped up too tight around yourself. Choking on our own freedom, that is what is going to happen.

Choking on it? And I am the problem? From my perspective that reads like fear mongering. Prognosticating doom because people advocate for the rights our founders assured us. I do not dismiss the issue, I pragmatically accept that it is a flaw inherent to the proposition of personal liberty.

As to not desiring a constructive dialogue, where did I say that? You presume too much. I am not your cookie cutter P&N poster, that toes a party line. For instance, I am pro-gun, but I am also pro abortion. I am fiscally conservative but rarely vote republican because I find few candidates that represent that. This should give you some idea of how far off your assumptions about me are, based on my pro gun stance.

 

[Thebobo]

Amazing Congress is so scared of the NRA to allow this.

Hours before San Bernardino shooting, doctors urged Congress to lift funding ban on gun violence research

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ongress-to-lift-ban-on-gun-violence-research/

 

[DAPUNISHER]

No we have a nucking futs problem.

Stop confusing the issue with facts.