Liberal (entertainment) media bias

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sierrita

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: eskimospy
Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: eskimospy

A straw man is where you misrepresent someone's argument in order to make it easy to defeat.

Saying you get your news from FOX is not a straw man.

A born again Christian is also not an insult to other Christians. Among most liberals though it's lower than scum off a toilet. Also, a Strawman doesn't have to have anything to do with the argument at all. You could be for person X and instead of debating the merits someone might argue that you wear pink polka dot ties because someone with pink polka dot ties is easier to mock and belittle than your actual arguments. Him painting me as a fox news viewer is like an instant strawman to most liberals around here especially.

No, that would be an ad hominem attack.

A straw man has everything to do with your opponent's position.

These things aren't hard to look up man.

Either way it's still a strawman because by painting me as a fox news brain washed fool who wouldn't know liberal bias from a hole in the ground, he basically created the strawman argument and set it on fire to anyone who believes that fox news is a republican indoctrination machine.





"Set it on fire?"
For heaven's sake, man; just look the term up and stop making a fool of yourself!

 

Duwelon

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"Set it on fire?"
For heaven's sake, man; just look the term up and stop making a fool of yourself!

Read carefully. It's subtle. He insinuated all I watch is fox news and therefore since I must have been indoctrinated by the evil republican vast right wing conspiracy the whole point of the OP is null and void. The thing is, even if all that insinuation-izationating (lol direct tv commercials, seriously i love em) is true, it's still a fallacy because he didn't actually defeat the argument in any way.

Edit: Straw man? set it on fire? get it? nevermind...
 

nageov3t

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the only thing that really bothers me about Jon Stewart is that, for years, he's said that he just goes after the ones in power... except Obama's been the front-runner since February, and he still pretty much has just bashed Hillary/McCain regardless and worshiped on the altar of Obama.

I watch it because it's been part of my nightly routine for over ten years, but I'm edging closer and closer to just turning it off.
 

trenchfoot

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Originally posted by: Vic
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Serious question: are there many prominent politically conscious right-leaning comedians?

Andrew Dice Clay? :p

*OOOOooooo!* i'd like to see him do one his famous nursery rhyme jobs on mccain just for a few laughs.

 

extra

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Uhmmmm.. It's COMEDY CENTRAL... Not a news channel...

However, two things:

1. AHAHAHAHAHahahahhahaha *ROFL* first of all, you may want to think before you post. Seriously. Please. Think before you post. You said that making fun of the CLINTONS is a liberal thing to do... You know... You guys are the same people that said things like "CNN is the Clinton news network it's has a huge liberal bias!" and "ABC is always about Clinton, it has a huge liberal bias!" So what is it? If you are a pro-clinton news outlet...omg liberal bias! If you make fun of the clintons for being pathetic...omg liberal bias!

You realize how retarded you sound for using anything Clinton as an example of left or right wing bias, right?

2. It's a comedy show. They make fun of everyone. Did you ever watch the show in the 90's? If Obama wins the presidency and the dems keep both the house and senate rest assured they will make fun of the hypocritical and dumb stuff that the dems do, just like they did in the 90's. Oh, and in 2004-2006 (before they took control of congress) a recurring theme of the daily show was that they make fun of the democrats for having no balls and not mattering at all. But shoot, in the 90's making fun of stuff the dem's did dominated the show just like making fun of the republicans dominates it now. Oh, and you may wanna go watch the ep where they make fun of the people protesting outside the military recruiting center. :)

Originally posted by: loki8481
the only thing that really bothers me about Jon Stewart is that, for years, he's said that he just goes after the ones in power... except Obama's been the front-runner since February, and he still pretty much has just bashed Hillary/McCain regardless and worshiped on the altar of Obama.

I watch it because it's been part of my nightly routine for over ten years, but I'm edging closer and closer to just turning it off.

Or maybe you just need to face reality and come to terms with the fact that Hillary has been a LOT easier to make fun of than Obama (which they have poked fun at quite often, by the way).
 

preslove

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Faux news tried to make a comedy show that was "fair and balanced."

It was epic fail.


& for the record, 1) McCain IS old, 2) Clinton ceased having a chance in February, and 3) Polls have shown that Comedy Central viewers are better informed than Faux viewers.

My theory on #3 is because CC viewers get their news from the internet & eschew the disinformation on television.
 

Red Dawn

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Serious question: are there many prominent politically conscious right-leaning comedians?

Dennis Miller pops to mind, there's at least one more, I think.
Yeah but he's about as funny as a wet fart while doing sit ups in the gym.
 

preslove

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Originally posted by: loki8481
the only thing that really bothers me about Jon Stewart is that, for years, he's said that he just goes after the ones in power... except Obama's been the front-runner since February, and he still pretty much has just bashed Hillary/McCain regardless and worshiped on the altar of Obama.

I watch it because it's been part of my nightly routine for over ten years, but I'm edging closer and closer to just turning it off.

The fact is just that Hillary/McCain have given Stewart more material to parody them for than Obama. That doesn't indicate a bias, it just tells you something about the candidates.


Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: Vic
Then don't watch it if you don't like it.

Trust me, i don't watch it much at all. Usually it's non-stop bush bashing but I was curious to see what they'd do with the elections. In usual fashion, they painted Obama positively and Mccain as a demented old bat that nobody liked.

The subtly of comedy central's left wing bias is nothing but a brain washing, entertainment machine. People naturally keep coming back for entertainment and there's no chance they'll leave with anything but negative views on Republicans and positive views on Democrats if all they do is get their news from entertainment.

Most young people, do not watch cspan or even the regular news so their worldview is shaped largely by the entertainment they consume. Comedy central has a large part of the adult comedy market corned as well as young adults. Basically, it's indoctrinating kids and young adults who don't know any different into thinking all republicans are racists who want to hoard all their money for themselves.

Just because young people don't watch news on TV doesn't mean they aren't consuming news at all. These people just get their news from the internet, which is far superior to any cable news channel. CC viewers have been shown to be more informed than Fox news viewers.

Simply put, only the ill informed get their news from TV.

& anyone with half a brain has been bashing Bush for 8 years.
 

umbrella39

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
I tend to avoid any kind of "news" coming out of Comedy Central but I watched the daily show tonight along with mind of mencia and the colbert report.

Mind of Mencia: Republicans are racist, Mccain is Old
The Daily Show: McCain is Old, Hillary has no chance and is pathetic
Colbert: McCain is Old, Hillary has no chance and is pathetic.

Seriously, to get a show on Comedy Central, do they take the performer into a secret room surrorunded by candles shaped like Bush and cut their right hand, swear an oath to uphold liberalism and then go out and perform an abortion to secure their contract?

That channel is so biased for liberalism it's not funny.

Comedy now has a liberal bias? LMAO.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
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Nobody has denied comedy central is funny. You've missed the point. The point is that the vast majority of the time they portray republicans negatively and (Obama) and other popular liberals positively. I'm not calling they be shut down, don't get me wrong.

Even if that's true, so what? You might not be calling for them to be shut down, but you've got your panties in a twist over this for some reason, yet it doesn't seem entirely clear to me WHY. Are you suggesting that "liberal bias" is such a terrible thing that it's bad when ANYONE displays it, even if it's not their job to be unbiased?

Complaints about bias make sense when we're talking about groups and individuals that are expected to be unbiased, but it doesn't make a lot of sense for anyone else. Think about what you're complaining about for a minute here...that a comedy show (or several comedy shows) do not attempt to present information and opinions in a non-politically slanted manner. Well I got to say, that's pretty surprising, given the number of comedians who believe their job should be governed by the journalistic integrity pioneered by people like Edward R. Murrow :roll:

I would also like to lodge a complaint on the Internet that Duwelon's posts on P&N display an obvious conservative bias.

Seriously, does someone take Duwelon into a secret room surrounded by candles shaped like Bush and cut his right hand, swear an oath to uphold conservativism and then go out and kill an abortion doctor before he posts on the Internet?

That poster is so biased for conservativism it's not funny.
 

mav451

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Lol it's been 8 years of a shitty Administration - what else do you expect them to talk about?
And on conservatives playing the "liberal bias card" - it gets old and it gets old fast.

Fox News claims it's "fair and balanced" - yet anyone watching it fully understands it's anything but. Fox News calling the kettle black. So instead of going out and getting a new pot, Fox News just makes its own kettle. Standard conservative hypocrisy at its best.

*And before anyone calls me out, there are some good insights to watch for. One - the Election HQ coverage is probably the least inflammatory of all shows - Juan Williams is fairly reasonable, for example. Brit Hume - he seems to be high half the time, and wanting to take a nap the other half (anyone who's seen him talk knows what I mean). Two, O'Reilly - he's probably the only radio/TV pundit I'm willing to listen to because he actually thinks. Hannity doesn't even consider what he's saying before looking like a complete tool, as an example. O'Reilly only becomes unreasonable when he goes into the tired 'liberal bias' act himself, which he does FAR more rarely than Hannity/Rush...but it still comes out now and then.

"The left-wing pin-heads are saying..."
Or "The left-wing nutjobs"

Etc. etc. Meanwhile, I'm sure O'Reilly has no qualms listening to people who don't even fact check, e.g. Malkins. Sigh, but like I said, O'Reilly is probably the only reasonable, thinking guy out of that bunch.
 

bl4ckfl4g

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
Originally posted by: OrByte
sorry but this is like complaining that espn shows too much sports shows and not enough soap operas.

If their is an audience for political comedy then you are GOING to GET political comedy.

Until people stop tuning into the comedy then the stations will keep showing it.

Don't be mad about it.

And don't think for once that libruls are indoctrinating the young by the librul media...

thats what we have those librul educators and the libbie commie professors for!


I'm not about to write my senator to change the laws. I like political comedy myself but what nobody has even attempted to deny yet is that comedy central is extremely biased in favor of the Democratic party.


Aren't they allowed to be? lol stop crying to us and turn the channel. There is this thing called the free-market that conservatives supposedly believe in(but really don't). So get all of your friends to stop watching and if you get enough nutcases together to boycott and viacom loses enough money, you'll get your wish.
 

jonks

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Can't blame ComedyCentral. Conservative's just aren't [intentionally] funny.

Liberals tell racist and edgy jokes because we find racists ridiculous.
When a redneck tells a racist joke, he's actually telling a true story about something his daddy did.

Liberals told jokes about Bush staying on vacation while Katrina drowned New Orleans.
Conservatives told jokes about how poor black people were too dumb to move out of their city. har har.

Liberals joked about how Cheney shot his friend in the face.
Cheney shot his friend in the face.
 

jman19

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Vic
Then don't watch it if you don't like it.
How come the left doesn't take that advice when it comes to Fox News?

How about you take your own advice and stay on topic? Thanks.
 

jonks

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Originally posted by: jman19
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Vic
Then don't watch it if you don't like it.
How come the left doesn't take that advice when it comes to Fox News?

How about you take your own advice and stay on topic? Thanks.

It is on topic. Fox News is funny. Totally unintentionally, but often very funny. Last week blogger and frequent O'Reilly guest Michelle Malkin started an internet uproar that spilled into trw forcing a major corporation to pull an ad because a cooking show host hocking iced coffee wore a scarf. That's a riot in my book.
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Duwelon
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Nobody has denied comedy central is funny. You've missed the point. The point is that the vast majority of the time they portray republicans negatively and (Obama) and other popular liberals positively. I'm not calling they be shut down, don't get me wrong.

Even if that's true, so what? You might not be calling for them to be shut down, but you've got your panties in a twist over this for some reason, yet it doesn't seem entirely clear to me WHY. Are you suggesting that "liberal bias" is such a terrible thing that it's bad when ANYONE displays it, even if it's not their job to be unbiased?

Complaints about bias make sense when we're talking about groups and individuals that are expected to be unbiased, but it doesn't make a lot of sense for anyone else. Think about what you're complaining about for a minute here...that a comedy show (or several comedy shows) do not attempt to present information and opinions in a non-politically slanted manner. Well I got to say, that's pretty surprising, given the number of comedians who believe their job should be governed by the journalistic integrity pioneered by people like Edward R. Murrow :roll:

I would also like to lodge a complaint on the Internet that Duwelon's posts on P&N display an obvious conservative bias.

Seriously, does someone take Duwelon into a secret room surrounded by candles shaped like Bush and cut his right hand, swear an oath to uphold conservativism and then go out and kill an abortion doctor before he posts on the Internet?

That poster is so biased for conservativism it's not funny.

No kidding. We're now all stupider for having read his posts.
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Vic
Then don't watch it if you don't like it.
How come the left doesn't take that advice when it comes to Fox News?

Because Stewart and Colbert don't call themselves 'Fair and Balanced'. Duh. :confused:
 

DealMonkey

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Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Serious question: are there many prominent politically conscious right-leaning comedians?

Dennis Miller pops to mind, there's at least one more, I think.

Ben Stein? Oh wait, he's actually serious about his batshit opinions. D'oh!
 

Robor

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Originally posted by: Red Dawn
Originally posted by: sandorski
Originally posted by: b0mbrman
Serious question: are there many prominent politically conscious right-leaning comedians?

Dennis Miller pops to mind, there's at least one more, I think.
Yeah but he's about as funny as a wet fart while doing sit ups in the gym.

I'm glad I didn't have a mouth full of Diet Dew when I read that! :laugh:
 

neodyn55

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AT P&N has a liberal bias. Anyone who argues against me is using ad hominem, strawmen, et al.
 

BoberFett

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Originally posted by: Duwelon
I tend to avoid any kind of "news" coming out of Comedy Central but I watched the daily show tonight along with mind of mencia and the colbert report.

Mind of Mencia: Republicans are racist, Mccain is Old
The Daily Show: McCain is Old, Hillary has no chance and is pathetic
Colbert: McCain is Old, Hillary has no chance and is pathetic.

Seriously, to get a show on Comedy Central, do they take the performer into a secret room surrorunded by candles shaped like Bush and cut their right hand, swear an oath to uphold liberalism and then go out and perform an abortion to secure their contract?

That channel is so biased for liberalism it's not funny.

You do realize Hillary is a Democrat, don't you?
 

digiram

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Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: Vic
Then don't watch it if you don't like it.
How come the left doesn't take that advice when it comes to Fox News?

I agree Fox news is just as fake as the Daily Show. At least the Daily show is funny.
 

neodyn55

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Originally posted by: jonks
Can't blame ComedyCentral. Conservative's just aren't [intentionally] funny.

Liberals tell racist and edgy jokes because we find racists ridiculous.
When a redneck tells a racist joke, he's actually telling a true story about something his daddy did.

Liberals told jokes about Bush staying on vacation while Katrina drowned New Orleans.
Conservatives told jokes about how poor black people were too dumb to move out of their city. har har.

Liberals joked about how Cheney shot his friend in the face.
Cheney shot his friend in the face.


Did you make those up? I found them ticklish, especially the last one :D