Liberal/Conservative Views on Free Speech

[herkulease]

Can someone help me out with what are the Liberal/Conservative Views on Free Speech. I need it for a paper.

 

[Witling]

Oh boy. I'm a flaming liberal but I'd like to think that I recognize the ramifications of free speech. Although liberals don't often shoot people -- unlike conservatives -- they tend to shout down any speech with with they don't agree. Ideally I think liberals would support almost any speech that doesn't incite to violence. But then, Ideally I think conservatives would support that too. As a practical matter, it seems that everyone supports free speech as long as they're hearing what they want to hear.

 

[dpm]

Originally posted by: herkulease
Can someone help me out with what are the Liberal/Conservative Views on Free Speech. I need it for a paper.

A liberal would say "You are free to do your own homework."

A conservative would say "Don't expect others to do your homework for you."

 

[glenn1]

Can someone help me out with what are the Liberal/Conservative Views on Free Speech. I need it for a paper.

Both theoretically support free speech, as long as it's an abstract concept rather than someone right in front of them exercising it. Both sides also have a problem with actually exercising their speech rights in a reasonable, polite fashion, both in exercising adult judgement as to whether their speech is being offered in an appropriate forum to a willing audience, and speaking their mind and then in turn letting the other side express their POV without rudely interrupting them. In their least appealing moments, conservatives tend to take the approach of totally banishing the opposite POV from the scene (the "exclusion zone" around Bush), while liberals tend to play heckler and try to disrupt the speeches of those they disagree with.

In short, both sides tend to forget the basic rules of courtesy and decency that people normally extend to each other as simple politeness when the topic isn't about politics.

 

[chess9]

Free speech is a necessary component of liberty but its practice is usually truly vulgar. Burning the flag comes to mind. Sure, be a complete moron. After all, you are in America. I still think letting people burn the flag is the best sign we are a free nation. No liberal has ever proposed that it be illegal to burn a flag or call a Frenchman a frog. Just don't say it to my face. j/k

-Robert

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: herkulease
Can someone help me out with what are the Liberal/Conservative Views on Free Speech. I need it for a paper.

I think both sides value free speech. They just don't agree with the speech, which is something totally different. From what I've seen, extremists in the conservative side have killed people (abortion killings, etc), but overall, there is no stopping of free speech. On the liberal side, however, as someone else pointed out, they tend to shout down people they disagree with.

 

[chess9]

Miguel:

Shouting IS free speech. Killing abortion doctors is murder. We should support the former, but not the latter. (I oppose abortion by the way.)
-Robert

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: chess9
Miguel:

Shouting IS free speech. Killing abortion doctors is murder. We should support the former, but not the latter. (I oppose abortion by the way.)
-Robert

That is true. Killing abortion doctors is really bad and should not be condoned. If you prevent someone from speaking just because you disagree with them, I don't think that should be supported. People should listen to all sides and make their own decisions.

 

[chess9]

Miguel:

If you support free speech how can you not support those who raise their voices in exercise of free speech? The first amendment does not proscribe LOUD SPEECH. However, if you mean shouting is bad manners and is no way to solve problems, I agree. (I suspect that's where you were going.) One caveat though, you don't have the right to yell FIRE in a crowded theater. Even free speech has some limits.

-Robert

 

[herkulease]

dang, I asked a something small for my paper as I couldn't find anywhere that had anything about the each views on Free speech cuz I personally did think either was against it until someone says something they don't like.

Personally though I find those who shout down others to be childish. We are all civilized adults here. There's really no need to shout. Everything can be said on both sides in calmly matter.

 

[charrison]

Originally posted by: Whitling
Oh boy. I'm a flaming liberal but I'd like to think that I recognize the ramifications of free speech. Although liberals don't often shoot people -- unlike conservatives -- they tend to shout down any speech with with they don't agree. Ideally I think liberals would support almost any speech that doesn't incite to violence. But then, Ideally I think conservatives would support that too. As a practical matter, it seems that everyone supports free speech as long as they're hearing what they want to hear.

There are nutballs on both sides. Or did you forget about the unibomber...

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: miguel

Originally posted by: herkulease
Can someone help me out with what are the Liberal/Conservative Views on Free Speech. I need it for a paper.

I think both sides value free speech. They just don't agree with the speech, which is something totally different. From what I've seen, extremists in the conservative side have killed people (abortion killings, etc), but overall, there is no stopping of free speech. On the liberal side, however, as someone else pointed out, they tend to shout down people they disagree with.

What does killing of abortion doctors have to do with free speak?

Killing abortion doctors, while murder, is seen by the perpetators as stopping an atrocity. In thier mind no different than killing Castro, Saddam, or hitler if they had the chance.

 

[HomerJS]

One of the worst decisions the Supreme Court ever made was equating money with speech. Agree?

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: miguel

Originally posted by: herkulease
Can someone help me out with what are the Liberal/Conservative Views on Free Speech. I need it for a paper.

I think both sides value free speech. They just don't agree with the speech, which is something totally different. From what I've seen, extremists in the conservative side have killed people (abortion killings, etc), but overall, there is no stopping of free speech. On the liberal side, however, as someone else pointed out, they tend to shout down people they disagree with.

What does killing of abortion doctors have to do with free speak?

Killing abortion doctors, while murder, is seen by the perpetators as stopping an atrocity. In thier mind no different than killing Castro, Saddam, or hitler if they had the chance.

I mentioned the killing of abortion doctors because Whitling said:

Although liberals don't often shoot people -- unlike conservatives -- they tend to shout down any speech with with they don't agree.

So, the extreme example for conservatives and free speech, according Whitling, is shooting people and the extreme example for liberals is shouting down other speech.

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: miguel

Originally posted by: Zebo

Originally posted by: miguel

Originally posted by: herkulease
Can someone help me out with what are the Liberal/Conservative Views on Free Speech. I need it for a paper.

I think both sides value free speech. They just don't agree with the speech, which is something totally different. From what I've seen, extremists in the conservative side have killed people (abortion killings, etc), but overall, there is no stopping of free speech. On the liberal side, however, as someone else pointed out, they tend to shout down people they disagree with.

What does killing of abortion doctors have to do with free speak?

Killing abortion doctors, while murder, is seen by the perpetators as stopping an atrocity. In thier mind no different than killing Castro, Saddam, or hitler if they had the chance.

I mentioned the killing of abortion doctors because Whitling said:

Although liberals don't often shoot people -- unlike conservatives -- they tend to shout down any speech with with they don't agree.

So, the extreme example for conservatives and free speech, according Whitling, is shooting people and the extreme example for liberals is shouting down other speech.

No the extreme for Liberals is the Unibomber

 

[DealMonkey]

I think both libs and conservobots value free speech, however it seems to me that conservatives like to add the caveat: "You're free to speak your mind, however don't be shocked if there are consequences."

 

[chess9]

Charrison:

The unibomber HATED liberals. Besides, the guy was certifiably NUTS.

-Robert

 

[Piano Man]

Originally posted by: chess9
Charrison:

The unibomber HATED liberals. Besides, the guy was certifiably NUTS.

-Robert

 

[rjain]

The unibomber, along with the Oklahoma bombers, are some of the American equivalents of Osama bin Laden. Ultra-conservative nutjobs. And yes, I'm saying that the WTC was attacked by conservatives, because that's what happened.

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: rjain
The unibomber, along with the Oklahoma bombers, are some of the American equivalents of Osama bin Laden. Ultra-conservative nutjobs. And yes, I'm saying that the WTC was attacked by conservatives, because that's what happened.

That is true. But when phrased like that, is seems to lump "conservatives" into one group. Wasn't that politician from the Netherlands (the one with the funny name) assasinated by a "liberal"? It's all very misleading. Just because Osama is "conservative", calling him that when the Americans also use "conservative" also to identify a group of people with obviously different beliefs, is being intentionally misleading.

 

[rjain]

Actually, the grouping is appropriate when applied to these three people, at least.

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: rjain
Actually, the grouping is appropriate when applied to these three people, at least.

I absolutely agree. But calling everyone in that group "conservative" is not being honest. They are all nuts.

 

[Witling]

Holy Marmelade, I don't understand the reference here. Miguel refers to "Wasn't that politician from the Netherlands (the one with the funny name) assasinated by a "liberal"? I'm missing the reference. Miguel, did you mean the guy who was assinated to start World War I? That was Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne. He was an Austrian, but that's almost like being from the Netherlands.

. If you weren't talking about that guy, which guy with the funny name were you talking about? It's necessary to know that to decide whether he was killed by a liberal.

 

[Zebo]

Originally posted by: rjain
The unibomber, along with the Oklahoma bombers, are some of the American equivalents of Osama bin Laden. Ultra-conservative nutjobs. And yes, I'm saying that the WTC was attacked by conservatives, because that's what happened.

Not to defend either of them but I'm more worried about the neo-nazis running the governemnt which stated with Clinton and Bush is continuing.

President Clinton signed into law the Anti-Terrorist and Effective Death Penalty Act giving the attorney-general the power to use the armed services against the civilian population, neatly nullifying the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878, it also suspends Habeas Corpus, the heart of Anglo-American liberty.


Some quotes they used to force thier legislative police state upon us.

'There is nothing patriotic about our pretending that you can love your country but despise your government.' Bill Clinton 1996

Sig heil mein fuhrer. I vill not question.

'Either you are with us or you are with the Terrorists.' GWB 2001

Spoken like true nazi militants who stormtroop Ruby Ridge/Waco. Lets compare that to the prophetic founder Ben Frankin.

"Those willing to give up a little liberty for a little security deserve neither security nor liberty. "

 

[miguel]

Originally posted by: Whitling
Holy Marmelade, I don't understand the reference here. Miguel refers to "Wasn't that politician from the Netherlands (the one with the funny name) assasinated by a "liberal"? I'm missing the reference. Miguel, did you mean the guy who was assinated to start World War I? That was Archduke Franz Ferdinand, heir to the Austro-Hungarian throne. He was an Austrian, but that's almost like being from the Netherlands.

. If you weren't talking about that guy, which guy with the funny name were you talking about? It's necessary to know that to decide whether he was killed by a liberal.

Pim Fortuyn. His killer was Animal rights activist Volkert van der Graaf.

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