Hmmm,
Learn history....it's the same fricken path. It's the same motive. It's the same.
Kill it and kill it now or repeat history.
Hmmm,
Learn history....it's the same fricken path. It's the same motive. It's the same.
Kill it and kill it now or repeat history.
"WW3".
Wow. Ask someone what WWII was like, or read some history books (I don't mean 1 chapter in US History). Terrorist bombings and a tangled mess of a war between the leading world power and religious wackos in the Middle East pales in comparison to the scope and threat of WWII. Are you even 20 years old? I am not attacking your maturity. I don't think anyone these days really appreciates the gravity of WWII. I will readily admit that I can't really grasp what WWII was like, and I have learned alot about it.
Ahmedenijhad (sp?) is certainly racist, but that doesn't make him Hitler. I don't like the guy really. If nothing else he is a politician and politicians always have a motive. This is an interesting course of action though. I will have to read the letter when I have more time.
"Kill them now" is a pretty silly thing to say. I think Iraq shows quite clearly that military force alone is not enough to make things right. Tact, discussion, compromise. That is the way to stabilise things.
Wow. Ask someone what WWII was like, or read some history books (I don't mean 1 chapter in US History). Terrorist bombings and a tangled mess of a war between the leading world power and religious wackos in the Middle East pales in comparison to the scope and threat of WWII. Are you even 20 years old? I am not attacking your maturity. I don't think anyone these days really appreciates the gravity of WWII. I will readily admit that I can't really grasp what WWII was like, and I have learned alot about it.
Ahmedenijhad (sp?) is certainly racist, but that doesn't make him Hitler. I don't like the guy really. If nothing else he is a politician and politicians always have a motive. This is an interesting course of action though. I will have to read the letter when I have more time.
"Kill them now" is a pretty silly thing to say. I think Iraq shows quite clearly that military force alone is not enough to make things right. Tact, discussion, compromise. That is the way to stabilise things.
Sorry, I just don't see it. Like I said, I think terrorism and countries like Iran pose some level of threat to the United States, and I support dealing with that threat (probably more than you might imagine...), but if you're trying to convince me we need to load up the B-2s with nuclear bombs and fly them to Tehran, I don't think that's going to happen.
But since we're talking about history, I find it interesting how selective peoples' memory of history tends to be. For example, every person who thinks like you do endlessly beats on the way the European powers dealt with Hitler in the years before WWII...but few of you seem to remember just what led to that point in the first place. When WWI ended, America wanted to help the losers to rebuild their countries and become peaceful and prosperous. Our European allies decided that what they really wanted to do was humiliate and punish the losing side and treat them like a bunch of criminals for several decades. Arguably, this is what gave Hitler the opportunity to gain power and push the Germans into an all out invasion of Europe...the Germans were humiliated and felt under attack by Europe in general, so it was easy to convince them that Hitler's plan was a great idea. Read a lot of Hitler's speeches, they hit on this point a lot, and the rhetoric wouldn't have been nearly so powerful had the rest of Europe not been so effectively helping him.
Now as I said, I think it's foolish to take such a generalized view of history, to believe that EVERYTHING about a modern situation can be seen through the lense of history, but I think this is a very valid point here. By treating all Muslims more or less like terrorists who need to be killed before they kill us, we're giving the lunatic fringe in the Muslim world a lot of power. It's in our best interests for the terrorist groups to be treated like the fringe radicals that they are, but instead we're giving them a voice for the whole Muslim world...which is exactly what they want.
BoberFett
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Wow, overreact much?
I thought the letter was a bit disingenous. Crying over the poor Palestinian mothers who love their children while ignoring the Muslims that blow themselves up intentionally in the middle of crowds of mothers and children is hypocritical. But it was hardly a "declaration of war" or whatever else some of you fearmongers are coming up with.
What?
Do you guys not remember the social and economic factors that lead to hitlers rise? Why was the Natzi party so successful? What motivated this success?
It's the same damn thing now. Exactly the same. You have to take them out before they gain too much power/following.
Not only is it disingenuous, but all these freedoms and values we supposedly share are not practised in present day Iran.
We all hate terrorism? they sponser it!
millions of innocent people killed? Let me see his letter to dufar, hezbollah, and the members of Al Quidea in iraq he supports.
more violence is perpatrated throughout the world of Muslum against Muslum then any US force can come close to.
The Palastinians will never have peace till they set aside murder as a tool of diplomacy.
and I suspect thats the way they want it because they squander every attempt at peace.
I like part of his letter when he talks about being compassionate to people.
How can you be compassionate to Isreali's when you are sponsoring the suicide bombers that are blowing them up?
How can you be compassionate to isrealis when you sponsor the Hesbolah to use rocket attacks to bomb their civilians?
Iran was compassionate for Americans when they stormed our embassy, kidnapped and tortured our citizens, and then held them form ransom!
Obviously the people of Iran only have compassion for people if they are muslims!
Iran is the worlds largest supporter of Terror in the world.
How can you be compassionate to Isreali's when you are sponsoring the suicide bombers that are blowing them up?
How can you be compassionate to isrealis when you sponsor the Hesbolah to use rocket attacks to bomb their civilians?
Iran was compassionate for Americans when they stormed our embassy, kidnapped and tortured our citizens, and then held them form ransom!
Obviously the people of Iran only have compassion for people if they are muslims!
Iran is the worlds largest supporter of Terror in the world.
AreaCode707
Lifer
- Sep 21, 2001
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Iran has ZERO ties to Al Qaeda.
There is ZERO evidence that Iran is arming insurgents inside Iraq.
Iran does not support suicide bombers inside Palestine (Iran has tried to arm Palestine with weapons (guns, rpgs, etc) - they failed at delivery). Iran supports Hezbollah by arming them (Hezbollah rarely, if ever, uses suicide bombers). They are a milita armed with weapons.Suicide bombers usually have no weapons that are effective . Hezbollah is not a "world terrorist" group. To even suggest that they are is nothing but assumptions. Someone might say "well some day they will come after the U.S". Wrong. Hezbollah's purpose is to annoy Israel. The list ends with Israel.
Hezbollah: Their purpose was to kick Israel out of Lebanon. Today their organization has a bigger goal. Control Lebanon and fight Israel (mainly troops). I do not believe their goal however is to kill as many Jews as possible. That is non-sense. Israel does wrong and so does Hezbollah. The difference is that Israel does not initiate the wrong. Israel sits back and lives their life until a group like Hezbollah decides to do something wrong. Neither like each other (Jew - Arab). Why should they? Note-Iran is not even Arab, but they stick their nose in Arab business anyways.
-am I suggesting Israel/Hezbollah are in the same category when I said they both do wrong? Israel has nukes. Lucky for Israel Hezbollah has neither nukes or chemical weapons. Maybe that is something to think about when thinking about a nuclear Iran.
The U.S hostage situation inside Iran happened during a time of revolution. Who took the students hostage? Students did. Where are those students today? The students were part of a movement that was part of the MEK. MEK is a terrorist organization (labeled by the U.S) that is against the current Iranian regime. Their base is inside Iraq, and has since been occupied/controlled by U.S forces without a fight.
Iran's revolution was a result of U.S and the Shah of Iran being lovers. Meaning Iran was 100% for U.S/Israel and 0% for Iran. This is why 20+ years later Iran and and U.S/Israel are in a hate/hate relationship.
There is ZERO evidence that Iran is arming insurgents inside Iraq.
Iran does not support suicide bombers inside Palestine (Iran has tried to arm Palestine with weapons (guns, rpgs, etc) - they failed at delivery). Iran supports Hezbollah by arming them (Hezbollah rarely, if ever, uses suicide bombers). They are a milita armed with weapons.Suicide bombers usually have no weapons that are effective . Hezbollah is not a "world terrorist" group. To even suggest that they are is nothing but assumptions. Someone might say "well some day they will come after the U.S". Wrong. Hezbollah's purpose is to annoy Israel. The list ends with Israel.
Hezbollah: Their purpose was to kick Israel out of Lebanon. Today their organization has a bigger goal. Control Lebanon and fight Israel (mainly troops). I do not believe their goal however is to kill as many Jews as possible. That is non-sense. Israel does wrong and so does Hezbollah. The difference is that Israel does not initiate the wrong. Israel sits back and lives their life until a group like Hezbollah decides to do something wrong. Neither like each other (Jew - Arab). Why should they? Note-Iran is not even Arab, but they stick their nose in Arab business anyways.
-am I suggesting Israel/Hezbollah are in the same category when I said they both do wrong? Israel has nukes. Lucky for Israel Hezbollah has neither nukes or chemical weapons. Maybe that is something to think about when thinking about a nuclear Iran.
The U.S hostage situation inside Iran happened during a time of revolution. Who took the students hostage? Students did. Where are those students today? The students were part of a movement that was part of the MEK. MEK is a terrorist organization (labeled by the U.S) that is against the current Iranian regime. Their base is inside Iraq, and has since been occupied/controlled by U.S forces without a fight.
Iran's revolution was a result of U.S and the Shah of Iran being lovers. Meaning Iran was 100% for U.S/Israel and 0% for Iran. This is why 20+ years later Iran and and U.S/Israel are in a hate/hate relationship.
Jaskalas
Lifer
- Jun 23, 2004
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History does repeat itself, although with new technologies and new methods.
Iran is not a significant threat until their nuclear program is completed. Most of us appear more than willing to see that happen and for it to come to that point. Just as we were more than willing to sit by and watch the military build up to the previous world war.
Their threat does not require some grand military build up. They have an army of ideological followers across the globe who are more than willing to detonate themselves with weapons in the name of their god.
We saw what 19 people can do with box cutters. War has evolved and a few people in a precision strike can be more effective than any military that is unwilling to use its force.
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Yes, Iran is a happy loving place where they only want peace and happiness for all. The streets are paved with gold, theres a chicken in every pot and you are free to speak your mind. Progress is encouraged and everyone has a job. No one is homeless and the air is sweet...even better than Sesame Street.
Their leaders are really scholarly santa clauses and they give presents to all the little children. No one is sad. No one is hungry. Its truly paradise.
sandorski
No Lifer
- Oct 10, 1999
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Trade News: Straw prices spiked today in what was described as an "Unseasonally high rate of Consumption". At this time it is unknown where all that Straw is being consumed, but the official word is that Investors and Straw Consumers should not be alarmed. More news on this as details become clear...
your post has nothing to do with my quote.
Either you have a lack of reading comprehension or my post came off as being the complete opposite of what I intended.
Everything I posted was a fact except for my opinion of Israel-Palestine/Arab so my question to you is..
w t f?
5to1baby1in5
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Has anyone else noticed that if you take the first four pages of The New Testament, cut out all the M's, and place it over letter to the American people, that it clearly spells out "kill all jEws"
Wow, that's just weird.
Edit: If you do the same with the 9th page of the first Playboy, is spells out "bush liKes pUppy loVe"
Wonder what the Constitution will tell us...
Wow, that's just weird.
Edit: If you do the same with the 9th page of the first Playboy, is spells out "bush liKes pUppy loVe"
Wonder what the Constitution will tell us...
No wonder America is going down the drain. Some brainwashed people beleive everything the media says.
I think Bush is more dangerous than this Iranian leader. Bush likes to act childish and not talk to people. WTF is that? How the hell did we end up with this moron? He's probably ruined the chance of any Texan returning to the Whitehouse for a looong time.
By the way, that statement about the state of Israel being wiped off the map originally came from Khomeini some twenty years ago. He's just repeating it. I would be far more worried if Khameini said something like that since it is really he who holds the cards.
By the way, that statement about the state of Israel being wiped off the map originally came from Khomeini some twenty years ago. He's just repeating it. I would be far more worried if Khameini said something like that since it is really he who holds the cards.
Orignal Earl
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