Letter to US

[magomago]

Originally posted by: spidey07
More propoganda from that looney leader.

Remember, this is the guy that has publically stated he wants to erase Israel and the US from the face of the earth while developing a nuclear weapon.

We need to take him out covertly. No war, just chop the head off the snake.

-edit- just read the entire letter. Yep, definately a war threat letter.

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
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This letter reads like one of those "repent or else" letters that bin laden sent out prior to 9/11.

He acts all high and mighty...but make no mistake....this letter is a threat of war.

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You want the proof that this is a war threat?

Look no further than these quotations!

"Noble Americans"

Look at his sarcastic remark, calling us Nobles! What a dis repect to what our country was founded on - we weren't founded by nobles, we were founded by...non-nobles!

...have brought our two great nations of Iran and the United States closer together.
Both our nations are God-fearing, truth loving and justice seeking, and both seek dignity, respect and perfection.

He is making my BLOOD BOIL. Using the words "Iran" and "US" in the same sentence is an INSULT to us Americans! Look what he talks about later on - stuff like "respect - he didn't respect us by using our countries names together. That liar!

We all deplore injustice, the trampling of peoples' rights and the intimidation and humiliation of human beings.
We all detest darkness, deceit, lies and distortion, and seek and admire salvation, enlightenment, sincerity and honesty.
The pure human essence of the two great nations of Iran and the United States testify to the veracity of these statements.

B.S.! Did you see that - he detests lies and distortion...why that is an attack on the core of the USA itself! We must nuke him immediately!

Palestinian mothers, just like Iranian and American mothers, love their children, and are painfully bereaved by the imprisonment, wounding and murder of their children. What mother wouldn't?

Palestinians are DOGS, not worthy of being human. If they were - how come Israel made the land better and the Palestinian's is still SH|T! Whoever can develop the land can keep it !

Let's take a look at Iraq . Since the commencement of the US military presence in Iraq , hundreds of thousands of Iraqis have been killed, maimed or displaced. Terrorism in Iraq has grown exponentially. With the presence of the US military in Iraq , nothing has been done to rebuild the ruins, to restore the infrastructure or to alleviate poverty. The US Government used the pretext of the existence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq , but later it became clear that that was just a lie and a deception.

Never ONCE did Bush state this war was about WMD - it was about freeing the people over there - and Bush also had (albiet faulty, but not his fault!!) an idea there MIGHT be something...
but the reality is we know where the weapons are - they are in IRAN!
And by the FACT he brings up the misery in Iraq shows that he is talking about threatening us - using Iraq as a pawn to implicity threaten us! Call out the dogs of war!

Although Saddam was overthrown and people are happy about his departure, the pain and suffering of the Iraqi people has persisted and has even been aggravated.

What does he know! The Iraqis are happier than they have EVER been! Lies - deciet - propaganda!

In Iraq , about one hundred and fifty thousand American soldiers, separated from their families and loved ones, are operating under the command of the current US administration.

Those boys signed up FOR the military knowing what was going to happen!

God knows who these detainees actually are, and what terrible fate awaits them.

the same FATE THAT AWAITS YOU AKMED. Look - he is even commenting on our internal AMERICAN affairs. How many more disguised threats could he make? Wake up America- he is out to destroy us and has PUBILCALLY stated it. I don't know when or where he stated but, but I'm sure I heard this from a reputable news source rather than just someone on AT who is blowing chunks!

I have no doubt that the American people do not approve of this behavior and indeed deplore it.

He has NO right to assume what we are thinking about - he doesn't even have the right to assume we THINK in the first place!

The legitimacy, power and influence of a government do not emanate from its arsenals of tanks, fighter aircrafts, missiles or nuclear weapons. Legitimacy and influence reside in sound logic, quest for justice and compassion and empathy for all humanity. The global position of the United States is in all probability weakened because the administration has continued to resort to force, to conceal the truth, and to mislead the American people about its policies and practices.

to YOU it isn't legitimate because you don't have the weapons and technology that we have!
Again - he tries to say we are weakend on this globe, and thus he is threatneing us that we are open to attack again! I'm serious now - send in those carriers and blockade Iran. Kill every Irani if we have to - because it is clear from Iraq that we can't simply "give" them freedom, but we must take away their lives so that the rest appreciate our rule and learn to value their own life!

Undoubtedly, the American people are not satisfied with this behavior and they showed their discontent in the recent elections.

it is ILLEGAL to try to influence American Elections!

I recommend that in a demonstration of respect for the American people and for humanity, the right of Palestinians to live in their own homeland should be recognized so that millions of Palestinian refugees can return to their homes and the future of all of Palestine and its form of government be determined in a referendum. This will benefit everyone.

Palestine isn't even a country, and the Palestinians are not a real people. They are just A-RABS.

The rest is just absolute tripe, and it is clear of his intentions to attack us. He even quotes that demonic "religion of peace" to show that he is planning an attack with the COUNTLESS number of sleeper cells.


I swear you partisan hacks can't see what he is really doing - trying to tear us apart as a nation and capitalize on it so that when they have launched those nukes we can do nothing but sit back idly and wish we could have blown that MOTHERF**ER before he did to us.


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* I can't believe you guys can actually attempt to extrapolate and state that this is a letter with a threat of war...How do you see the world?

And that sad part is sometime in the future when we bomb Iran, people will justify it saying "they would not cooperate at all" as if they never wanted to engage in dialogue.

 

[sandorski]

hehe^^^

I thought of just Copy/Pasting the whole letter, but that'd be a long post.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Rainsford
You know, I think you should let the CIA and the rest of the intelligence community know of your divine inspiration, since you seem to know something about Iran's nuclear program that they seem to have missed. :roll:

As for a threat of war, that was one of the least offensive and most reasonable sounding things to come out of Iran in a long time. Still propaganda, and who knows if he really means it, but still interesting...and in no way a "threat of war".

I don't know.....combine this letter with his sentiment to wipe Israel and the US off the face of the planet it seems pretty clear to me what the letter is saying. So fine, maybe he's pretending to develop a nuke. Put all these pieces together and it sure looks like a war threat to me.

Actually I find it quite difficult to "combine this letter with his sentiment to wipe Israel and the US off the face of the planet". Perhaps you feel that previously expressed sentiment is more important to consider than this letter (if so, why?), but I don't see how the two can possibly be born from the same basic idea. There is NOTHING in that letter that reads like even a veiled threat, if anything, it seems like a non-violent attempt to leverage our democratic form of government to remove popular support from the idea of crushing Iran because they won't do what we tell them to do.

Rather genius, actually. He knows (unlike a lot of people in THIS country) that Iran can't defeat the US in a stand-up fight, so he's trying to convince us that Iran poses no threat and that they actually want to be our friends. Perhaps he's full of it, but I see no advantage in threatening us, he knows we like nothing more than a good fight, and he would be on the extremely unpleasant side of that. Whatever you might think of his previous statements, he's shown himself to be a pretty canny politician, and he's the President of Iran, not a stateless terrorist mastermind...the rhetoric that works for the latter would be a poor choice for the former.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
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This letter reads like one of those "repent or else" letters that bin laden sent out prior to 9/11.

He acts all high and mighty...but make no mistake....this letter is a threat of war.

His crowd chanting death to America was more than enough for me to believe the Iranian government needs to be destroyed.

However, nothing - absolutely nothing will convince the liberals that action is required to save the lives of Americans and our allies. This is the reenactment of Neville Chamberlin?s peace for our time. Millions will die again before we go to war to stop it.

Oh would you people shut the hell up about WWII. Iran is not Germany, it is powerful only in a regional sense, we could crush them in about 5 minutes if it came down to all out war. They know it, and the smart people over here know it.

In any case, there is no hard and fast rule for international relations. Is the failure of Chamberlain's policies before WWII irrefutable proof that EVERY situation where a threat is present should immediately result in all out war? That's as stupid as the hippies who suggest that war is never the answer. Seriously, this "black and white" worldview you people seem obsessed with was annoying years ago, and guess what, it's still annoying today. The world is not that simple, and the worst way to approach ANY situation is by "fighting the last war", much less fighting 4 or 5 wars ago.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
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This letter reads like one of those "repent or else" letters that bin laden sent out prior to 9/11.

He acts all high and mighty...but make no mistake....this letter is a threat of war.

His crowd chanting death to America was more than enough for me to believe the Iranian government needs to be destroyed.

However, nothing - absolutely nothing will convince the liberals that action is required to save the lives of Americans and our allies. This is the reenactment of Neville Chamberlin?s peace for our time. Millions will die again before we go to war to stop it.

Lol, still worked into a foamy froth of fear I see.

Iran is still dealing with some severe blowback issues due to the CIA-aided overthrow of the democratically elected Mossadegh back in the 50s, combined with incessant interference by the West in ME policy that continues to the current day.

Iran is NOT a threat to the US.

Iran can not surpass the overwhelming technical superiority of the IDF. Clearly, Ahmedinejad is vastly intelligent, and realizes that no matter what military options he developed, a full attack on Israel would result in the utter destruction of Iran. Remember, Israel beat the mighty USA to the development of a neutron weapon, quite an astonishing feat, considering the cold war weapons development fast-tracking.

What you see with the angry poor crowds chanting death to America, etc, is the overwhelming underclass that exists in Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Libya. These are no more than the uneducated, easy to manipulate masses. It serves Ahmedinejad's purposes well to talk tough and blame the West for all manner of things, when in fact his true purpose is quite the opposite. Maintaining stability is key to his survival. He has no credible global ambitions. He is surrounded by overwhelmingly powerful nuclear-armed entities.

YOU are an idiot for comparing this to appeasement of Hitler. There is not even a shred of evidence to support such a comparison.

 

[Todd33]

Originally posted by: spidey07
More propoganda from that looney leader.

Remember, this is the guy that has publically stated he wants to erase Israel and the US from the face of the earth while developing a nuclear weapon.

We need to take him out covertly. No war, just chop the head off the snake.

-edit- just read the entire letter. Yep, definately a war threat letter.

Shows you ignorance about Iran, he is not the leader, Ayatollah Khamenei is. The head you wish to cut off is just a talking head with no power.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
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This letter reads like one of those "repent or else" letters that bin laden sent out prior to 9/11.

He acts all high and mighty...but make no mistake....this letter is a threat of war.

His crowd chanting death to America was more than enough for me to believe the Iranian government needs to be destroyed.

However, nothing - absolutely nothing will convince the liberals that action is required to save the lives of Americans and our allies. This is the reenactment of Neville Chamberlin?s peace for our time. Millions will die again before we go to war to stop it.

Lol, still worked into a foamy froth of fear I see.

Iran is still dealing with some severe blowback issues due to the CIA-aided overthrow of the democratically elected Mossadegh back in the 50s, combined with incessant interference by the West in ME policy that continues to the current day.

Iran is NOT a threat to the US.

Iran can not surpass the overwhelming technical superiority of the IDF. Clearly, Ahmedinejad is vastly intelligent, and realizes that no matter what military options he developed, a full attack on Israel would result in the utter destruction of Iran. Remember, Israel beat the mighty USA to the development of a neutron weapon, quite an astonishing feat, considering the cold war weapons development fast-tracking.

What you see with the angry poor crowds chanting death to America, etc, is the overwhelming underclass that exists in Iran, Pakistan, Syria, Libya. These are no more than the uneducated, easy to manipulate masses. It serves Ahmedinejad's purposes well to talk tough and blame the West for all manner of things, when in fact his true purpose is quite the opposite. Maintaining stability is key to his survival. He has no credible global ambitions. He is surrounded by overwhelmingly powerful nuclear-armed entities.

YOU are an idiot for comparing this to appeasement of Hitler. There is not even a shred of evidence to support such a comparison.

I always have found it somewhat strange that all it takes to scare the crap out of way too many Americans is to show them a crowd of angry chanting peasants in some foreign country. I mean, jeez, should we only feel safe if every single person in the entire world likes us? Their ability to DO anything is pretty limited, which is a big reason why they're chanting on television.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Rather genius, actually. He knows (unlike a lot of people in THIS country) that Iran can't defeat the US in a stand-up fight, so he's trying to convince us that Iran poses no threat and that they actually want to be our friends. Perhaps he's full of it, but I see no advantage in threatening us, he knows we like nothing more than a good fight, and he would be on the extremely unpleasant side of that. Whatever you might think of his previous statements, he's shown himself to be a pretty canny politician, and he's the President of Iran, not a stateless terrorist mastermind...the rhetoric that works for the latter would be a poor choice for the former.

That's typical muslim behavior though. You are supposed to befriend your enemy so you can slit his throat from behind. So he's just following it to the "letter".

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Rather genius, actually. He knows (unlike a lot of people in THIS country) that Iran can't defeat the US in a stand-up fight, so he's trying to convince us that Iran poses no threat and that they actually want to be our friends. Perhaps he's full of it, but I see no advantage in threatening us, he knows we like nothing more than a good fight, and he would be on the extremely unpleasant side of that. Whatever you might think of his previous statements, he's shown himself to be a pretty canny politician, and he's the President of Iran, not a stateless terrorist mastermind...the rhetoric that works for the latter would be a poor choice for the former.

That's typical muslim behavior though. You are supposed to befriend your enemy so you can slit his throat from behind. So he's just following it to the "letter".

So you think it's impossible for us to EVER befriend ANY Muslims?

Edit: After all, if "typical Muslim behavior" is duplicitous invitations of friendship, it's impossible for them to ever REALLY want to be friends. Isn't it convenient that this kind of thinking only leads to one real solution?

 

[mc00]

What I find interesting all this leader like bin goat, and other always say the same thing "U.S Policy" What is this policy that they talk about and hate us for it? I hope our idiot leader(bush) read this damn thing and don't try to tweak it and say the letter is a threat by terrorist. *sigh

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: huberm

Originally posted by: ayabe
Sorry but I mostly agree with what he wrote in the letter.

I have not found the complete letter to read entirely, but I have read the excerpts in news articles. Sadly, I agree with him more than our president (at least so far).

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In general, the letter consists of a lot that is difficult to argue with, since it is vague "we all love each other" talk. The vagueness can be interpreted in different ways though. For instance, everybody would agree that we are "justice seeking". However, to somebody of that culture may mean the ability to discipline one's wife in any way they see fit, even to death. Because of this, the first page of the letter to me means very little.

Here is a part that demonstrates my problem with the letter:
Persistent aggressions by the Zionists are making life more and more difficult for the rightful owners of the land of Palestine. In broad daylight, in front of cameras and before the eyes of the world, they are bombarding innocent defenseless civilians, bulldozing houses, firing machine guns at students in the streets and alleys, and subjecting their families to endless grief.

For one, not everybody agrees that the Palestinians have a right to the entire land of Palestine/Israel. As far as murdering innocent civilians, I see more Palestinians doing suicide bombings; I saw Israel pull out of occupied areas. I would have respected him more if he credited both sides for their efforts and their failure to control aggression.

The majority of the letter is little more than an attempt to incense the pro-Palestinian segment of America with emotional appeal. I respect those that hold a pro-Palestinian viewpoint, and I wish Iran's president respected them enough to present a logical, instead of an emotional, argument. Iraq is a short footnote in this letter, overall.

I see no threat of war in this letter at all. I see the writings of somebody who has a bigoted and ultimately violent agenda for his own country sending a blindly idealistic letter to a country that would not share his definition of most ideals.

 

[AreaCode707]

Originally posted by: Aimster
Iran's President has verbally attacked the govts of Israel and U.S. He never said he wants the people of those nations to be dead.

He has also never mentioned anything about Iran developing nuclear weapons.

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Ahmadinejad has alienated many Americans by calling for Israel's destruction and repeatedly dismissing the Nazi Holocaust as a myth. He also strongly supports the Palestinian militant group Hamas and the Lebanese faction Hezbollah, which the U.S. State Department list as terrorist organizations.

 

[ntdz]

This guy is a lunatic. He is risking a lot by pursuing the nuclear program, and provoking the US is not a smart thing to do, regardless if we can or will punish them.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Rainsford
Rather genius, actually. He knows (unlike a lot of people in THIS country) that Iran can't defeat the US in a stand-up fight, so he's trying to convince us that Iran poses no threat and that they actually want to be our friends. Perhaps he's full of it, but I see no advantage in threatening us, he knows we like nothing more than a good fight, and he would be on the extremely unpleasant side of that. Whatever you might think of his previous statements, he's shown himself to be a pretty canny politician, and he's the President of Iran, not a stateless terrorist mastermind...the rhetoric that works for the latter would be a poor choice for the former.

That's typical muslim behavior though. You are supposed to befriend your enemy so you can slit his throat from behind. So he's just following it to the "letter".

"keep your friends close, your enemies closer" Sun Tsu

 

[Aimster]

The media needs to learn how to translate better.

His exact words were "The state of Israel needs to be wiped off the map". In the same paragraph he goes on to say "Christians, Jews and Muslims need to unite to get rid of the terrorist regime of Israel".

As far as the Holocaust, the West should read up on what he has to say about the Holocaust. His main arguement is

A) If the Holocaust happened then why is talking against it banned in some European nations?
B) Why do Jews have the label Holocaust when 40 million other civilians died?

His main point is that the number of Jews killed in the Holocaust turned from 1 million to 2 million , etc, etc, to finally around 6 million. This was all during the time of the creation of Israel. His problem is both A & B. He doesn't feel the Jews should have a special label and he feels that research should be made legal. Having research made illegal makes it hard for him to believe anything because he wasn't there and he simply wants people to do their own indepdent research without going to jail

He is not saying death camps didnt exist. He is saying the Jews were not the only victims yet for some reason in his eyes they have been given 1000x more special attention over the other millions of people. He feels this was done because the Europeans wanted the Jews out and did whatever possible to get them to create an Israel state. He said Europe hated the Jews after the war. He says if anyone is to blame for the situation inside Palestine that it is Europe for being so racist and making a way for all the Jews to leave.

(the above is what he said, not me).

I think the guy is too in love with Arabs who wanted him dead and needs to stop defending them. Get another hobby and stfu.

 

[Aimster]

& as far as nuclear technology goes...

In the 1970s the U.S has contracts for 26 nuclear plants to have been built inside Iran by the year 2000. The U.S President at the time stressed how important it was for Iran to have nuclear technology because of their energy needs.

This was during a time when Iran's population was 1/2 of what it is today and during a time when their oil production was 6mbpd and growing.

Today their oil production is around 3-4 mbpd and their oil consumption is close to 50% of what they produce.

The only reason Iran's nuclear technology is a threat today is because they are a fanatical Islamic regime.
If the Shah of Iran was still in power, Iran would be a nuclear state and a nuclear weapons power with a fleet of U.S F-22s.

The U.S's dream failed and thus this is why we love Israel so much. Radical Jewish state > Radical Islamic state. (I have no idea if Israel is a radical Jewish state or not, but whatever it is they don't act barbaric like Iran's regime).

 

[Jhhnn]

The Iranians just need to hire an American PR firm toget their point across a little better... Maybe some of Dubya's former speechwriters...

The alleged threat of War is clearly a delusion- there is no threat in the letter at all, more of an attempt to plead their case, and the case of the Pals... It's not even a threat to Israelis per se, but a call to allow pals and israelis the same rights and responsibilites in a multi-cultural state of Palestine... He didn't call for the expulsion of the Israelis at all, or for a curtailment of their rights, other than the right to bully their neighbors...

If this is the best fearmongering that the rightwing can come up with, then they're in trouble... because this is about as transparent as saran wrap...

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: HotChic

Originally posted by: huberm

Originally posted by: ayabe
Sorry but I mostly agree with what he wrote in the letter.

I have not found the complete letter to read entirely, but I have read the excerpts in news articles. Sadly, I agree with him more than our president (at least so far).

Link

In general, the letter consists of a lot that is difficult to argue with, since it is vague "we all love each other" talk. The vagueness can be interpreted in different ways though. For instance, everybody would agree that we are "justice seeking". However, to somebody of that culture may mean the ability to discipline one's wife in any way they see fit, even to death. Because of this, the first page of the letter to me means very little.

Isn't it more about sentiment than the details? Obviously we're not going to have the same interpretation of those ideas as people in Iran, hell, we can't even come to a common understanding of those ideas in THIS country among ourselves. But it seems interesting that he's chosen to suggest that we are more similar than different, that speaks of a mindset far removed from his crazy ramblings of before. Maybe he's full of it, but I don't see why you would think the sentiment being expressed "means very little".

Here is a part that demonstrates my problem with the letter:
Persistent aggressions by the Zionists are making life more and more difficult for the rightful owners of the land of Palestine. In broad daylight, in front of cameras and before the eyes of the world, they are bombarding innocent defenseless civilians, bulldozing houses, firing machine guns at students in the streets and alleys, and subjecting their families to endless grief.

For one, not everybody agrees that the Palestinians have a right to the entire land of Palestine/Israel. As far as murdering innocent civilians, I see more Palestinians doing suicide bombings; I saw Israel pull out of occupied areas. I would have respected him more if he credited both sides for their efforts and their failure to control aggression.

The majority of the letter is little more than an attempt to incense the pro-Palestinian segment of America with emotional appeal. I respect those that hold a pro-Palestinian viewpoint, and I wish Iran's president respected them enough to present a logical, instead of an emotional, argument. Iraq is a short footnote in this letter, overall.

I see no threat of war in this letter at all. I see the writings of somebody who has a bigoted and ultimately violent agenda for his own country sending a blindly idealistic letter to a country that would not share his definition of most ideals.

Like the saying goes, we see what we want to see. A lot of folks have decided Iran is a worse threat than anything we've ever faced before and nothing is going to change their minds, it's us or them. A lot of other folks have decided that Iran may not be such a dire threat, but ultimately their leaders are beyond reason...either we ignore them or we carpet bomb them. But the idea that we may be able to actually work with them to stabilize the region seems to be a view held by an extreme minority. Personally I don't trust Iran or especially their President, but I think the idea that he's a complete loon has been very much overplayed. Is he just a misunderstood person who has pretty much the same values we do? Probably not, but I'm not sure that means diplomacy isn't going to work.

I'm not saying you were suggesting that, but your tone IS similar to that being used by the people who seem ready to reject this letter, or ANYTHING said by the Iranians, unless they sound like good midwestern Christians. While that might be nice (I guess), we all know that's not going to happen, and I think the ideas expressed in this letter, however far from perfect they were, are many steps ahead of "death to America".

 

[OrByte]

Smart guy, a worthy effort to appeal for unity and, to a certain extent, diplomacy. But, as made evident by some posters on this board, his words will be twisted and turned inside out to further a corrupt republican agenda. It is sad really.

 

[feralkid]

Originally posted by: Jaskalas

Originally posted by: GoPackGo
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This letter reads like one of those "repent or else" letters that bin laden sent out prior to 9/11.

He acts all high and mighty...but make no mistake....this letter is a threat of war.

His crowd chanting death to America was more than enough for me to believe the Iranian government needs to be destroyed.

However, nothing - absolutely nothing will convince the liberals that action is required to save the lives of Americans and our allies. This is the reenactment of Neville Chamberlin?s peace for our time. Millions will die again before we go to war to stop it.

Have you been sleeping for the last few years?

We tried your logic in Iraq. Great show...really can't wait for the next act. :roll:

 

[Dean]

I think he is a very smart guy. There is no doubt he is a true politician. He has purposely appealed to Moderate and radical Muslims and can also speak candidly to us here in the west.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has an agenda. He wants to become a world leader, to be recognized as such. I don't think he wants to have an enemy in the US, but his hatred over Israel makes it hard for me to respect him.

If he toned himself down over Israel, and recognized them as a true state, I could take him more seriously. He does not seem obsessed with the Quran, which is a good thing. He could turn out to be a peaceful friend or another Hitler, with a lot of it depending on how we play our cards over here.

 

[spidey07]

Originally posted by: Dean
I think he is a very smart guy. There is no doubt he is a true politician. He has purposely appealed to Moderate and radical Muslims and can also speak candidly to us here in the west.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has an agenda. He wants to become a world leader, to be recognized as such. I don't think he wants to have an enemy in the US, but his hatred over Israel makes it hard for me to respect him.

If he toned himself down over Israel, and recognized them as a true state, I could take him more seriously. He does not seem obsessed with the Quran, which is a good thing. He could turn out to be a peaceful friend or another Hitler, with a lot of it depending on how we play our cards over here.

Nice post.

But I believe his hatred of jews and denial lumps him squarely with Hitler.

This is why we should so learn from history. you nip that crap in the bud.

I fear that many americans don't know or haven't learned history. Therefore they are doomed to repeat it. We are already in WW3, it's already started. Those that think we are not haven't been educated.

 

[sandorski]

He's no Hitler, FFS.

 

[Rainsford]

Originally posted by: spidey07

Originally posted by: Dean
I think he is a very smart guy. There is no doubt he is a true politician. He has purposely appealed to Moderate and radical Muslims and can also speak candidly to us here in the west.

There is no doubt in my mind that he has an agenda. He wants to become a world leader, to be recognized as such. I don't think he wants to have an enemy in the US, but his hatred over Israel makes it hard for me to respect him.

If he toned himself down over Israel, and recognized them as a true state, I could take him more seriously. He does not seem obsessed with the Quran, which is a good thing. He could turn out to be a peaceful friend or another Hitler, with a lot of it depending on how we play our cards over here.

Nice post.

But I believe his hatred of jews and denial lumps him squarely with Hitler.

This is why we should so learn from history. you nip that crap in the bud.

I fear that many americans don't know or haven't learned history. Therefore they are doomed to repeat it. We are already in WW3, it's already started. Those that think we are not haven't been educated.

A fundamental part of "learning from history" is learning something more than the broad platitudes and ignorant generalizations that make up the vast majority of any discussion of the past. For instance, no one who has "been educated" would equate Iran to Germany or the Iranian leaders to Hitler, nor would they suggest that the current problems we find ourselves with are at all similar to WWII. While the ideology might bear a passing resemblance, the circumstances of the time are so vastly different that it would take pages and pages to explain it.

I'm not sure what the cause is, but there is this tendency for Americans to be almost stupidly over dramatic when describing the threat posed by terrorism. Don't get me wrong, it is a horrible thing that we should certainly try and stop...but it is not WWII, or the Cold War. Hell, it doesn't even rise to the level of the Spanish American war. We face an enemy that is certainly long on rhetoric and ideology, but a little short on the pointy end of the stick. In WWII we faced enemies that were technologically advanced world powers with technology and military might at least equal to our own, probably greater (at least at the start of the war) and they had a very real chance of actually taking over the entire world and crushing the entire democratic western world beneath their boots, America included. In the Cold War we again faced our technological and military equal, a foe that not only had the capacity to occupy our country but to utterly destroy it...and they threatened to do so many times. Maybe it's just me, but "Death to America" sounds a lot scarier when the people saying that have thousands and thousands of nuclear weapons at their disposal.

Now are you really going to make the argument that "WW3" is upon us and that this threat is equal to what we faced in previous world conflicts? Cause I'm eager to hear just why you think that's true. If the terrorists are any real threat to our fundamental way of life, it's because we give them that power by acting like a bunch of lunatics when talking about terrorism. If I hear "The War for the Free World" one more time, I just might have to punch someone in the face. Is terrorism a threat? Of course, and it should be treated as such. Is it a catastrophe like nothing we've ever faced that we need to treat the world as a totally different place in order to defeat? Of course not, that's just silly.

 

[spidey07]

Rainsford,

We are already at WW3. If nothing else we are learning from history to make it not so bad. Please read up on history, we need to act on the mistakes of the past. Nip this crap in the bud. Act now or repeat history.

Take them out. Kill them now. Or be doomed to repeat history. kill them now.