Let's talk gym etiquette

[bradley]

Up until two years ago, I had only ever worked out in my home gym. However my workouts were becoming stale or stagnant and wanted some variety. Therefore perhaps I'm still slightly unaware of gym etiquette.

I believe myself to be a very cognizant and conscientious gym member. I wipe down all the machines, put all weights/equipment/towels back where they belong and try not to hog the machines, especially during peak hours. I also never use a piece of gym equipment as a seat while using my smartphone. In my fairly brief experience, all of these qualities seem fairly rare at most gyms.

Anyway, at 24 Hour Fitness during off-peak hours, after being at a lat pulldown machine for exactly one minute, a gentleman asks me how many more sets. Granted there are three similar machines currently unused in the area, but he wants to use mine. Ok.

I tell him three more sets and he clearly throws a fit standing near/in my face the entire time. However instead of letting him distract me, I simply placed my earphones back into my ears, closed my eyes and completely got back into the zone. I've had people force me to share sets with them, but this was way more obnoxious.

When I finished my sets, after a reasonable three minutes later, he started disrespectfully yapping and wouldn't shut it. So I finally get right back into his face and intimidated him. I rarely use my size over someone else, but this little big mouth so deserved it.

If he would have asked to share, I would have gladly complied on this particular machine. Although I won't share a machine with too elaborate or specific a setup, especially during off-peak hours.


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Otherwise for me proper etiquette would be simply waiting your turn. I usually stand off at a distance and wait patiently for the machine, or come back to it later. And most importantly I give people space to concentrate. A serious lifter needs a lot of concentration when working with very heavy weights or when working to failure.

So how about you guys/gals? What do you think is a reasonable time to use any machine or the concept of machine sharing in general. And how good are you at wiping down the equipment, returning your plates or anything else that would make one an upstanding gym member?

 

[Chocu1a]

I usually go to my next exercise if the machine/weights I want are in use, then come back when it is free. I would politely tell that guy to go fuck himself.
I try to be conscious of wiping down & re-racking my weights/plates. I also try to make sure I don't block another lifter in the mirror.

 

[Zivic]

When I finished my sets, after a reasonable three minutes later, he started disrespectfully yapping and wouldn't shut it. So I finally get right back into his face and intimidated him. I rarely use my size over someone else, but this little big mouth so deserved it.

curious how big you are?

I'll get people that try to move in on me every now and again, but as one person at the gym stated "Holy sh!t dude, what do you eat? dead babies?". I guess that keeps most people from using anything I might be using.

but in your case I'd have no issue talking some smack to the guy if he wouldn't shut up. I usually give them the old,'have some respect and learn proper gym etiquette.... based on how you look, it's clear you haven't spent enough time here to have learned any'

 

[pauldun170]

Up until two years ago, I had only ever worked out in my home gym. However my workouts were becoming stale or stagnant and wanted some variety. Therefore perhaps I'm still slightly unaware of gym etiquette.

I believe myself to be a very cognizant and conscientious gym member. I wipe down all the machines, put all weights/equipment/towels back where they belong and try not to hog the machines, especially during peak hours. I also never use a piece of gym equipment as a seat while using my smartphone. In my fairly brief experience, all of these qualities seem fairly rare at most gyms.

Anyway, at 24 Hour Fitness during off-peak hours, after being at a lat pulldown machine for exactly one minute, a gentleman asks me how many more sets. Granted there are three similar machines currently unused in the area, but he wants to use mine. Ok.

I tell him three more sets and he clearly throws a fit standing near/in my face the entire time. However instead of letting him distract me, I simply placed my earphones back into my ears, closed my eyes and completely got back into the zone. I've had people force me to share sets with them, but this was way more obnoxious.

When I finished my sets, after a reasonable three minutes later, he started disrespectfully yapping and wouldn't shut it. So I finally get right back into his face and intimidated him. I rarely use my size over someone else, but this little big mouth so deserved it.

If he would have asked to share, I would have gladly complied on this particular machine. Although I won't share a machine with too elaborate or specific a setup, especially during off-peak hours.


===========================

Otherwise for me proper etiquette would be simply waiting your turn. I usually stand off at a distance and wait patiently for the machine, or come back to it later. And most importantly I give people space to concentrate. A serious lifter needs a lot of concentration when working with very heavy weights or when working to failure.

So how about you guys/gals? What do you think is a reasonable time to use any machine or the concept of machine sharing in general. And how good are you at wiping down the equipment, returning your plates or anything else that would make one an upstanding gym member?

If someone asks how long I'll ask if they want to work in if I have more than a set left. Decades at the gym and never a problem with anyone.

I'm 5'9@195 but I have the additional benefit of grey hair so all the 20 nothings call me sir and say "excuse me" because respect the older people at the gym is still a thing. Don't need to use intimidation.

 

[Zivic]

I'm 37 yrs old, not a young man any more, but not gray hair old either. Im no tough guy. I don't go out to intimidate anyone, but some people are intimidated by size. Heck some people are intimidated by a hair style and/or tattoos.

the gym is its own universe. People seem to do things there that they would do out in regular public, for better or worse.

Most seem to have a strange sense of entitlement... Like this is next on my workout log, so that machine is mine. I won't lie, I'll get that way if the guy I'm waiting on is screwing around on it, on their phone, talking (like a dime holding up a dollar)... But if a person is working hard I'll be the first one to be waiting politely for them to finish

 

[bradley]

If someone asks how long I'll ask if they want to work in if I have more than a set left. Decades at the gym and never a problem with anyone.

I'm 5'9@195 but I have the additional benefit of grey hair so all the 20 nothings call me sir and say "excuse me" because respect the older people at the gym is still a thing. Don't need to use intimidation.

I respect older people at the gym. Actually I *admire* and use them as motivation. Same with women, seeing a girl try to deadlift with good form gets me pumped to work harder.

However older people can be just as obnoxious.... while on the chest fly machine, I did have an approximately 70yo very spry gentleman rudely approach me. His head stood around 1.5 feet away facing mine for an entire two sets.

Then he - even more disruptively - decided to place down his napsack (albeit accidentally) over the flywheel, preventing any further reps. While he struggled to extricate his now entangled napsack, at first I *did* attempt to help, but then simply walked away in disgust. lol

curious how big you are?

I'll get people that try to move in on me every now and again, but as one person at the gym stated "Holy sh!t dude, what do you eat? dead babies?". I guess that keeps most people from using anything I might be using.

but in your case I'd have no issue talking some smack to the guy if he wouldn't shut up. I usually give them the old,'have some respect and learn proper gym etiquette.... based on how you look, it's clear you haven't spent enough time here to have learned any'

That's the whole problem: I'm shorter (especially my arms) than some of these guys that want to share machines. So all that readjusting for the same angles and lengths breaks my momentum and focus. Also I have thinner than average wrists and ankles, so those adjustments are fairly crucial toward joint health.

Otherwise what's more germane is that I'm way bigger than the guy trying to shame me off of the machine.

I think sometimes men will fearlessly challenge that bigger guy in this politically correct age knowing societal pressures would often intervene. So I simply decided to save face and assert my status and intellect.

Most seem to have a strange sense of entitlement... Like this is next on my workout log, so that machine is mine. I won't lie, I'll get that way if the guy I'm waiting on is screwing around on it, on their phone, talking (like a dime holding up a dollar)... But if a person is working hard I'll be the first one to be waiting politely for them to finish

Respect is something to be earned. If I see someone working very hard, I don't even interrupt them for a nanosecond. In fact, I'm more apt to help.

However, if I see someone on their smart phones, I often think to myself, "hurry up with that machine, not like it's much use to you anyway."

And so true about the level of entitlement in this society.

Not to get into a whole alpha/beta or even omega discussion... but testosterone levels are down significantly over the last twenty years. Yet more men (than ever) are conned into believing that merely challenging an alpha personality immediately gives them the reward of being such.

Therefore, these faux-alphas see something they want and feel entitled to take it... without fear of any risk or reprisals. And these little digital devices they have pressed to their faces separate them from reality and makes interactions tough.

It's almost as though no one has ever taught them how to be men or basic common sense.

However what they especially fail to understand is that becoming both mentally and physically strong or tough is borne of hard work and discipline. Admittedly, some do have a much harder climb trying to reverse the environment/genetics and nature/nurture part.

 

[pauldun170]

However older people can be just as obnoxious.... while on the chest fly machine, I did have an approximately 70yo very spry gentleman rudely approach me. His head stood around 1.5 feet away facing mine for an entire two sets.

Then he - even more disruptively - decided to place down his napsack (albeit accidentally) over the flywheel, preventing any further reps. While he struggled to extricate his now entangled napsack, at first I *did* attempt to help, but then simply walked away in disgust. lol

Men don't say "walked away in disgust"
That's what something overweight feminists say. Or scrawny English majors who cross their legs lady style while lecturing you.
Don't be an overweight feminist.

Does this guy work out at your gym?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z33BNjRItRo

WTF are you doing on the chest fly machine? I can't take any of your complaints about your gym seriously now.
I can only assume that you have a complex and some sort of primadonna thing going on. Either that or you smell like raspberries. Raspberries attract gym tards,
(just kidding of course)

Usually if you talk to someone like you would like to be spoken to everything works out at the gym.

70yo very spry gentleman rudely approach me

How did he "rudely approach you". what do you mean?

His head stood around 1.5 feet away facing mine for an entire two sets.

Ok....you fucked up here. Why the hell did you let something like that go on for 2 sets? That shouldn't have last more than a couple of reps before telling him to give you space.

 

[Zivic]

I respect older people at the gym. Actually I *admire* and use them as motivation. Same with women, seeing a girl try to deadlift with good form gets me pumped to work harder.

However older people can be just as obnoxious.... while on the chest fly machine, I did have an approximately 70yo very spry gentleman rudely approach me. His head stood around 1.5 feet away facing mine for an entire two sets.

Then he - even more disruptively - decided to place down his napsack (albeit accidentally) over the flywheel, preventing any further reps. While he struggled to extricate his now entangled napsack, at first I *did* attempt to help, but then simply walked away in disgust. lol



That's the whole problem: I'm shorter (especially my arms) than some of these guys that want to share machines. So all that readjusting for the same angles and lengths breaks my momentum and focus. Also I have thinner than average wrists and ankles, so those adjustments are fairly crucial toward joint health.

Otherwise what's more germane is that I'm way bigger than the guy trying to shame me off of the machine.

I think sometimes men will fearlessly challenge that bigger guy in this politically correct age knowing societal pressures would often intervene. So I simply decided to save face and assert my status and intellect.




Respect is something to be earned. If I see someone working very hard, I don't even interrupt them for a nanosecond. In fact, I'm more apt to help.

However, if I see someone on their smart phones, I often think to myself, "hurry up with that machine, not like it's much use to you anyway."

And so true about the level of entitlement in this society.

Not to get into a whole alpha/beta or even omega discussion... but testosterone levels are down significantly over the last twenty years. Yet more men (than ever) are conned into believing that merely challenging an alpha personality immediately gives them the reward of being such.

Therefore, these faux-alphas see something they want and feel entitled to take it... without fear of any risk or reprisals. And these little digital devices they have pressed to their faces separate them from reality and makes interactions tough.

It's almost as though no one has ever taught them how to be men or basic common sense.

However what they especially fail to understand is that becoming both mentally and physically strong or tough is borne of hard work and discipline. Admittedly, some do have a much harder climb trying to reverse the environment/genetics and nature/nurture part.

.... Not the reply I was expecting...

you sound like you have little man syndrome and tried listening to motivational/self help tapes with all the alpha and mental tough talk. You are reading way too much into it.

 

[AntonioHG]

I had a guy unload the plates I was using for T-bar rows even though between where he's working out (on a bench) and the T-bar setup there are two plate racks with like 20-something 45s. He walked around the racks, saw me sitting there, took the weights off, I protested and he continued on and then came back to reload mine with plates.

Another time, again, T-bar rowing, a guy tosses a can into a full garbage bin. It falls out. I pick it up and squish the trash down so it can fit. He comes around again with an empty bottle, throws it, it tumbles out. I picked it up, walked over to him and said, "You dropped this." He couldn't even look me in the eye. Took the bottle with him all through the gym after that. Nowadays he sees me and won't even meet my eyes if I look at him.

The idiot and the trash bin in back: https://*******/photos/nTVYcdTiof8it5fQ9

Just a couple stories. Like I said in the other thread, I really don't use many machines. The day we have a house and money to buy some sort of rack, a decent bar and some plates, I'm done with going to the gym. I can't stand the folks at the gym I'm going to and the next decent gym is like 50+ blocks away and more expensive.

 

[bradley]

.... Not the reply I was expecting...

you sound like you have little man syndrome and tried listening to motivational/self help tapes with all the alpha and mental tough talk. You are reading way too much into it.

Those were my two incidents (examples of poor gym etiquette) in the space of approximately two years, which if anything is unusual for New Yorkers who often lack tact. It's certainly possible that the average poster here has better etiquette than complaints I've heard from gym owners and staff.

I believe I handled the elderly gentleman situation adequately by leaving and not engaging him. He stayed directly in face during my routine and then truncated it cold by placing his bag into the gear. While I didn't display my actually disgust, it did make me question the culture of this particular gym chain or lifters in general.

I probably would have handled the delt pull similarly if that particular gentleman didn't continue to follow and harass me, so I decided to defend myself. You are the one reading way more into it and/or taking my ideas or opinions personally.

I also merely responded to the liberties you took (as well) with your statements regarding the US entitlement culture. I believe it corresponds with many different factor, some of which I mentioned. And yes, it's real, becoming wide-spread and annoying. Guess what? Some people will get offended by both of us, but I don't give a shit. It needs to finally be said, since their parents didn't bother.

To the other poster, the pectoral muscle is its *most* maximally contracted with the transverse adduction movement, especially where your arms are fully straightened and hands supinated. Ignoring this exercise could be a reason for poor chest separation. And the longer your arms, the harder it becomes to engage your pecs in a chest press.

I also do a lot of exercises for overall shoulder stability that get looks at the gym, including face pulls. Yet, they help build major muscle groups indirectly. But then people are often also confused about the important role of abductor/adductor machines (aka vagina machines) in hip stability, leg strength and size.

 

[bradley]

I had a guy unload the plates I was using for T-bar rows even though between where he's working out (on a bench) and the T-bar setup there are two plate racks with like 20-something 45s. He walked around the racks, saw me sitting there, took the weights off, I protested and he continued on and then came back to reload mine with plates.

Another time, again, T-bar rowing, a guy tosses a can into a full garbage bin. It falls out. I pick it up and squish the trash down so it can fit. He comes around again with an empty bottle, throws it, it tumbles out. I picked it up, walked over to him and said, "You dropped this." He couldn't even look me in the eye. Took the bottle with him all through the gym after that. Nowadays he sees me and won't even meet my eyes if I look at him.

The idiot and the trash bin in back: https://*******/photos/nTVYcdTiof8it5fQ9

Just a couple stories. Like I said in the other thread, I really don't use many machines. The day we have a house and money to buy some sort of rack, a decent bar and some plates, I'm done with going to the gym. I can't stand the folks at the gym I'm going to and the next decent gym is like 50+ blocks away and more expensive.

You are also from NY; so you've probably experienced the same things. My favorite gyms have been the more expensive ones. I guess the larger the membership payment, the more the appreciation for staff, members and gym itself.

I just can't believe the poor manners and lack of respect of some people. And this is not a subjective judgement call, you should posses basic skills like being able to clean up after yourself, for instance. Perhaps I was just raised in a different era.

I've too had people strip copious amounts of 45lb plates while I was in-between loading a machine with weights. And I didn't say a fucking word. Although in one case the person did unsolicitedly apologize, saying he didn't see my knapsack near the machine.... I guess. I always give people the benefit of a doubt unless the person is intentionally rude or malicious.

As for your garbage can incident, I probably would have never said a word; but I certainly won't cry for you having asserted yourself in that situation. I'd rather have someone say something to my face rather than talking behind my back. The only other option is to be passive and eventually become indignant or self-righteously defensive, basically little to no protection.

Asserting yourself reasonably (not aggressively) in situations is also like a muscle, use it or lose it. And sometimes fear can be a great motivator for those who still don't get the message. And anyone who says otherwise is absolutely lying or maybe they are lucky enough to live in a utopia. lol

 

[Zivic]

Those were my two incidents (examples of poor gym etiquette) in the space of approximately two years, which if anything is unusual for New Yorkers who often lack tact. It's certainly possible that the average poster here has better etiquette than complaints I've heard from gym owners and staff.

I believe I handled the elderly gentleman situation adequately by leaving and not engaging him. He stayed directly in face during my routine and then truncated it cold by placing his bag into the gear. While I didn't display my actually disgust, it did make me question the culture of this particular gym chain or lifters in general.

I probably would have handled the delt pull similarly if that particular gentleman didn't continue to follow and harass me, so I decided to defend myself. You are the one reading way more into it and/or taking my ideas or opinions personally.

I also merely responded to the liberties you took (as well) with your statements regarding the US entitlement culture. I believe it corresponds with many different factor, some of which I mentioned. And yes, it's real, becoming wide-spread and annoying. Guess what? Some people will get offended by both of us, but I don't give a shit. It needs to finally be said, since their parents didn't bother.

To the other poster, the pectoral muscle is its *most* maximally contracted with the transverse adduction movement, especially where your arms are fully straightened and hands supinated. Ignoring this exercise could be a reason for poor chest separation. And the longer your arms, the harder it becomes to engage your pecs in a chest press.

I also do a lot of exercises for overall shoulder stability that get looks at the gym, including face pulls. Yet, they help build major muscle groups indirectly. But then people are often also confused about the important role of abductor/adductor machines (aka vagina machines) in hip stability, leg strength and size.

again, I am curious how big you are?

I know I have posted a few pics before of myself, but my stats
I'm 5'8" and 210 lbs. , ~14-15% (maybe 16-17 right now ) bodyfat
https://instagram.com/azivman/


as far as your replies,
you have gone from some sort of normal guy talk to trying to impress us all with your intellectual speak in your last few post.

With the very specific adduction and supination talk, I hope your physique backs up the comment that ignoring that exercise could be reason for poor chest separation. You are indirectly taking yourself up.

I'm trying to be as honest as I can be.. I find it strange when you talk about your short arms, your thinner than average (petite) wrists and ankles, and then ramble further on about test levels and alpha's and such. Where I am going with this is is, I think you are the strange, scrawny dude I see sitting on the pec deck machine, doing some strange variation of the movement because you read it some where that proper supination of the hands and a peak horizontal adduction which will increase pectoral separation........ but overlooking the fact you need to build muscle in order to separate it.

We have gone from a decently fun and normal discussion about gym etiquette, to you telling us about the stubby and petite features of your build and the disgust you feel towards fellow gym goers that want to use your equipment. The discussion has definitely derailed

 

[purbeast0]

worst thing about the new generation of gym goers that i've noticed is that NONE of the younger generation puts shit back. they will finish a set and not unload any weights from the bars.

another one that i've noticed, and it's probably just because they are dumb and can't count or read, is people putting dumbells back in the wrong places.

 

[Zivic]

worst thing about the new generation of gym goers that i've noticed is that NONE of the younger generation puts shit back. they will finish a set and not unload any weights from the bars.

another one that i've noticed, and it's probably just because they are dumb and can't count or read, is people putting dumbells back in the wrong places.

every gym I go to is different. my biggest issue at the LA fitness I go to now is related to the dumbbells. You'll get a group of people maybe 3-4. They will each take a set of dumbbells with them, sometimes, multiple sets... so they will essentially take say all the 30's and 35's and go off to some aerobics room. same thing with the preset ez curl bars. half of them will be missing from the rack.

 

[shortylickens]

My main peeves are the perspiration everywhere, not cleaned up. Also leaving the weights lying around.

I dont mind the grunting or loud music or conversations.

 

[bradley]

wonky internet dp

 

[bradley]

again, I am curious how big you are?

I know I have posted a few pics before of myself, but my stats
I'm 5'8" and 210 lbs. , ~14-15% (maybe 16-17 right now ) bodyfat
https://instagram.com/azivman/


as far as your replies,
you have gone from some sort of normal guy talk to trying to impress us all with your intellectual speak in your last few post.

With the very specific adduction and supination talk, I hope your physique backs up the comment that ignoring that exercise could be reason for poor chest separation. You are indirectly taking yourself up.

I'm trying to be as honest as I can be.. I find it strange when you talk about your short arms, your thinner than average (petite) wrists and ankles, and then ramble further on about test levels and alpha's and such. Where I am going with this is is, I think you are the strange, scrawny dude I see sitting on the pec deck machine, doing some strange variation of the movement because you read it some where that proper supination of the hands and a peak horizontal adduction which will increase pectoral separation........ but overlooking the fact you need to build muscle in order to separate it.

We have gone from a decently fun and normal discussion about gym etiquette, to you telling us about the stubby and petite features of your build and the disgust you feel towards fellow gym goers that want to use your equipment. The discussion has definitely derailed

I see you want to digress further and make it personal and disrespectful. I wasn't even born when Madison Avenue created a corollary relationship between bodybuilding and alpha male status -- or Charles Atlas comic book ads showing a scrawny kid getting sand kicked in his face.

Interesting video, if anyone wants to explore the scientific notion of an alpha male.

Alpha Male - National Geographic Study
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2NTQPl7D8

And a major male health crisis continues to occur with a marked generational decrease in total and bioavailable testosterone. A 25% drop in young and old alike over the last 20-30 years is huge. And yes, I believe that estrogen dominance is responsible for a major societal shift (which relates to alpha status) and various other health problems.

It explains some of the things I see at the gym, including how some men have difficulty dropping unwanted body fat and appear more agitated and aggressive than normal. Of which the answer isn't TRT, but exercise, diet and proper sleep.

Hypogonadal males also have greater mood shifts, which studies have shown in animals to make them both irritable and fearful. Researchers refer to this estrogen dominance as irritable male syndrome. The perfect example is a PMS type syndrome where men act 'bitchy.' And instead of wanting to be docile, low testosterone makes men more inclined to want to fight and display aggression.

And if you feel inadequate to where perhaps you believe anything I've written even pertains to you or is strange, you are SOL.

Oh...... yes, I was born with smaller than average wrists and ankles for my size. What the fuck is it to you? To be honest, smaller wrists and ankles tapered to large forearm muscles and calves looks decent to me.

Intellectual speak? lol? Yeah being as this health forum resides on a highly-trafficked technology site, I flatter you with words of a high school grade level. And you are being far from honest or reasonable, btw.

I especially don't give much regard about your appearance, since I don't visit here for dates, but to bounce ideas and share information. I have been lifting religiously since my teens and have also loved technology and reading forever too etc, if you insist on getting more information on anonymous me and my thoughtful answers.

Finally, the chest fly machine (with extended arms) is the number one way to fully place the pectoral in its most contracted state and across a greater range than the bench press, this is kineseology and common sense. The dumbell fly (as a transverse flexion movement) doesn't hit the chest nearly as well. I also use this machine for reverse flyes and often place a greater importance on my posterior deltoids.

I also perform reverse chest presses (and go fairly heavy) because it activates the pec more too. Also the suppination helps to create a more stabilizes shoulder position and alleviates elbow and wrist pain..... yet I also get looks at the gym.

Whether you perform any of these exercises - or ever take any of my suggestions - is your business. Otherwise, I am going to continue performing a wide variety of chest exercises, whether anyone likes it or not. I will also continue being an upstanding member of every gym and forum I attend.

 

[bradley]

My main peeves are the perspiration everywhere, not cleaned up. Also leaving the weights lying around.

I dont mind the grunting or loud music or conversations.

If I were to create a top ten of gym pet peeves.... perspiration probably would not even be listed, but not putting weights and equipment back would be my number one.

Grunting, loud music and conversation (or even what people wear) doesn't bother me one bit either, it actually gets me motivated. But to be honest, I have my in-ear monitors on during much of my time at the gym, so I don't hear much of my surroundings.

Isolating yourself with music is not antisocial, but more about me meaning business and getting into a zone. Although I'm sure that some old-school bodybuilders might find this poor etiquette and even disrespectful.

 

[pauldun170]

I see you want to digress further and make it personal and disrespectful. I wasn't even born when Madison Avenue created a corollary relationship between bodybuilding and alpha male status -- or Charles Atlas comic book ads showing a scrawny kid getting sand kicked in his face.

Interesting video, if anyone wants to explore the scientific notion of an alpha male.

Alpha Male - National Geographic Study
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2NTQPl7D8

And a major male health crisis continues to occur with a marked generational decrease in total and bioavailable testosterone. A 25% drop in young and old alike over the last 20-30 years is huge. And yes, I believe that estrogen dominance is responsible for a major societal shift (which relates to alpha status) and various other health problems.

It explains some of the things I see at the gym, including how some men have difficulty dropping unwanted body fat and appear more agitated and aggressive than normal. Of which the answer isn't TRT, but exercise, diet and proper sleep.

Hypogonadal males also have greater mood shifts, which studies have shown in animals to make them both irritable and fearful. Researchers refer to this estrogen dominance as irritable male syndrome. The perfect example is a PMS type syndrome where men act 'bitchy.' And instead of wanting to be docile, low testosterone makes men more inclined to want to fight and display aggression.

And if you feel inadequate to where perhaps you believe anything I've written even pertains to you or is strange, you are SOL.

Oh...... yes, I was born with smaller than average wrists and ankles for my size. What the fuck is it to you? To be honest, smaller wrists and ankles tapered to large forearm muscles and calves looks decent to me.

Intellectual speak? lol? Yeah being as this health forum resides on a highly-trafficked technology site, I flatter you with words of a high school grade level. And you are being far from honest or reasonable, btw.

I especially don't give much regard about your appearance, since I don't visit here for dates, but to bounce ideas and share information. I have been lifting religiously since my teens and have also loved technology and reading forever too etc, if you insist on getting more information on anonymous me and my thoughtful answers.

Finally, the chest fly machine (with extended arms) is the number one way to fully place the pectoral in its most contracted state and across a greater range than the bench press, this is kineseology and common sense. The dumbell fly (as a transverse flexion movement) doesn't hit the chest nearly as well. I also use this machine for reverse flyes and often place a greater importance on my posterior deltoids.

I also perform reverse chest presses (and go fairly heavy) because it activates the pec more too. Also the suppination helps to create a more stabilizes shoulder position and alleviates elbow and wrist pain..... yet I also get looks at the gym.

Whether you perform any of these exercises - or ever take any of my suggestions - is your business. Otherwise, I am going to continue performing a wide variety of chest exercises, whether anyone likes it or not. I will also continue being an upstanding member of every gym and forum I attend.

 

[Zivic]

Exactly...

It isn't necessarily about how much you (in your case think you) know. How much you can actually put into real world results is what matters. In your case it's clear that you have a hard time putting your 'knowledge' to use. Is it because you're not as smart as you think you are? Maybe you lack the work ethic? Maybe the discipline? Only you know the answer. And I didn't try to make it personal....

 

[pauldun170]

Exactly...

I don't know the guy at all but based on this thread I'm trying to guess the mental disorder he suffers from and what his culture\native language is.

I'm not saying he is a bad person or anything. I just think there may be some additional stuff going on.

 

[Zivic]

I don't know the guy at all but based on this thread I'm trying to guess the mental disorder he suffers from and what his culture\native language is.

I'm not saying he is a bad person or anything. I just think there may be some additional stuff going on.

Yeah, something is going on.... But I don't want to make it personal

 

[bradley]

And yet he still quotes the entire post. lol

Exactly...

It isn't necessarily about how much you (in your case think you) know. How much you can actually put into real world results is what matters. In your case it's clear that you have a hard time putting your 'knowledge' to use. Is it because you're not as smart as you think you are? Maybe you lack the work ethic? Maybe the discipline? Only you know the answer. And I didn't try to make it personal....

Now you're playing that angle huh, after further steering the thread off topic.

Here's a synopsis: I have the right to walk away in disgust when someone sabotages me (a paying customer) in the middle of my exercise. As already noted, I believe it represents poor etiquette or the very topic of this thread. Remember?

Not only is yours an unreasonable (and quite frankly a hostile and assumptive) opinion, but I've already proven myself to be a reasoned and fair person to anyone reading this thread. Sorry if I bruised your ego or offended you with my strong opinions and factoids. But you can continue to troll... I've never pressed the report button once in my more than decade here.

I don't know the guy at all but based on this thread I'm trying to guess the mental disorder he suffers from and what his culture\native language is.

I'm not saying he is a bad person or anything. I just think there may be some additional stuff going on.

I continue to be personally insulted by both of these guys. Notice how I haven't returned fire.

For anyone who wants to help get this topic back on track, feel free. I don't know how much more I have to ADD though.

Yeah, something is going on.... But I don't want to make it personal

That's just lame bro. Seriously.

 

[pauldun170]

I continue to be personally insulted by both of these guys. Notice how I haven't returned fire.

For anyone who wants to help get this topic back on track, feel free. I don't know how much more I have to ADD though.



That's just lame bro. Seriously.

My recommendation is smaller walls of text and more bitching about the gym. Also try and use the word "bro" more often.
For the love of all that's warm and squishy, please stop with the charts.

 

[bradley]

My recommendation is smaller walls of text and more bitching about the gym. Also try and use the word "bro" more often.
For the love of all that's warm and squishy, please stop with the charts.

You just don't like me. I'm fine with the fact, believe me. My advice to you is expend more energy on something useful and quit while you are ahead.