Let's talk about tire psi - Inflating to sidewall

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JulesMaximus

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What you seem to be forgetting is that with his 1 million miles of experience, he has had favorable tread wear on his tires despite running near, at or above sidewall. With my comparatively limited experience

What you seem to be forgetting is that, comparatively, you have NO experience...which is part of the reason why nobody here takes you seriously. The other part is because you are bonkers.

Anyway, read JLee's post a few up from yours. Emergency vehicles with pursuit tires and they only run 38psi. You have no legs left to stand on here...they've been swept out from under you repeatedly. Give up.
 

sdifox

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What you seem to be forgetting is that, comparatively, you have NO experience...which is part of the reason why nobody here takes you seriously. The other part is because you are bonkers.

Anyway, read JLee's post a few up from yours. Emergency vehicles with pursuit tires and they only run 38psi. You have no legs left to stand on here...they've been swept out from under you repeatedly. Give up.

Fleabag really should try CFCs in his tyres. They compress so well.
 

MotF Bane

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With my comparatively limited experience I too have found it to be beneficial to have the tires inflated to sidewall

All stop. You have NO experience. Please have your mommy and daddy call the ISP and cancel the service.
 

KCfromNC

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I checked my cruiser and it's at 38psi (sidewall 51). Emergency vehicle with pursuit-rated tires.

Just sayin'.

This matches (roughly) what I start with when doing on-track instructing in cars with decent speed rated street tires (e.g. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/Spec.jsp?make=Michelin&model=Pilot+Sport+PS2&tirePageLocQty=). Real track tires generally start lower due to stiffer sidewalls. Neither do well when inflated to the max spec'd pressure.


I don't know about YOUR driving habits but when I drive my vehicles and apparently when a lot of people drive their vehicles where I live, they take corners much faster than one would expect and when you have tires that are slightly under-inflated or inflated to manufacturer suggestions, you get wear on the sides.

All tires are designed to roll over under heavy cornering. What you're seeing is not a problem, it's normal. That's why tire manufacturers put marking on the side of tires - to measure how far the tire is supposed to roll over under max cornering loads.
 

fleabag

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What you seem to be forgetting is that, comparatively, you have NO experience...which is part of the reason why nobody here takes you seriously. The other part is because you are bonkers.

Anyway, read JLee's post a few up from yours. Emergency vehicles with pursuit tires and they only run 38psi. You have no legs left to stand on here...they've been swept out from under you repeatedly. Give up.

Yeah, I'm going to listen to you, the one who refuses to EVER inflate tires to sidewall when it comes to "experience". Experience means you've done something before, and there are varying degrees of experience. You, on the other hand, have NO experience with inflating to sidewall yet attempt to call ME OUT and claim I have no such experience. I have had the experience of an underinflated, door jam inflated, sidewall inflated and over-inflated tire, you on the other hand probably have only had the experience of under-inflated and door jam inflated.

As for Jlee's post about HIS cruiser:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060213...m/article/article.jsp?siteSection=19&id=27281

"Those officers" use 44psi in their tires.. SO THERE! :p
 

JulesMaximus

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Yeah, I'm going to listen to you, the one who refuses to EVER inflate tires to sidewall when it comes to "experience". Experience means you've done something before, and there are varying degrees of experience. You, on the other hand, have NO experience with inflating to sidewall yet attempt to call ME OUT and claim I have no such experience. I have had the experience of an underinflated, door jam inflated, sidewall inflated and over-inflated tire, you on the other hand probably have only had the experience of under-inflated and door jam inflated.

As for Jlee's post about HIS cruiser:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060213...m/article/article.jsp?siteSection=19&id=27281

"Those officers" use 44psi in their tires.. SO THERE! :p

I've never put diesel fuel in a gasoline engine either. My point is that I don't have to do something stupid to know it is a stupid practice.

If you check your tire pressure twice a month you won't have underinflated tires.
 

Kaervak

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What the hell is the argument here? Can some one dumb this down for me? An easy comparison?

Like Mortal Kombat: Baraka vs big boob girl or Tanya vs 4 arm big mother fucker who turned green from constipation.
 

jlee

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Yeah, I'm going to listen to you, the one who refuses to EVER inflate tires to sidewall when it comes to "experience". Experience means you've done something before, and there are varying degrees of experience. You, on the other hand, have NO experience with inflating to sidewall yet attempt to call ME OUT and claim I have no such experience. I have had the experience of an underinflated, door jam inflated, sidewall inflated and over-inflated tire, you on the other hand probably have only had the experience of under-inflated and door jam inflated.

As for Jlee's post about HIS cruiser:
http://web.archive.org/web/20060213...m/article/article.jsp?siteSection=19&id=27281

"Those officers" use 44psi in their tires.. SO THERE! :p

Speaking of experience...

...how old are you?
 

fleabag

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Speaking of experience...

...how old are you?

I don't want to mention my age as it may give me an undeserved and irrelevant advantage or disadvantage over a younger/older person. I don't believe in age discrimination and I don't want age to be a factor considering how experience and knowledge is completely independent of age with my parents and yuppies I've encountered while being much older than me, are much less knowledgeable about various subjects. I wouldn't ask a female home maker of 90 years about tire compositions over a 13 year old working on cars and dragsters now would I?
 

jlee

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I don't want to mention my age as it may give me an undeserved and irrelevant advantage or disadvantage over a younger/older person. I don't believe in age discrimination and I don't want age to be a factor considering how experience and knowledge is completely independent of age with my parents and yuppies I've encountered while being much older than me, are much less knowledgeable about various subjects. I wouldn't ask a female home maker of 90 years about tire compositions over a 13 year old working on cars and dragsters now would I?

Thank you.
 

pray4mojo

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So what car do you drive, what size are your tires, and what kind of tires do you have?
 

SSUSeaWolf

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I've had great experience with inflating my tires to sidewall but it seems like there are a lot of dissenters out there who desperately cling to manufacturer suggestions of inflating tires to the PSI they desire. These people are so dogmatic that they wouldn't even dare do otherwise for it will risk tainting their values and what they hold true to themselves. You can give these people empirical evidence until you're blue in the face but unless there is a happy little sticker to accompanied said suggestion, they refuse to follow it. These people also don't seem to be aware that if one inflate their tires to 32psi when it's 32F outside that their tires would like be at the sidewall PSI rating or higher when it's 90F outside. The only things they're capable of knowing are those things can be readily found with google, as personal experience is not something they can relate to because sitting and home arguing with people over the internet about things they don't know about is so much easier.

Let me clarify a few things about tires, specifically radials.

Radial tires do NOT "balloon" when inflated unlike bias plys. The industry suggestion that your tires will wear down the very center is false when it comes to radial tires as this suggestion is a carryover from yesteryear's bias and bias ply tires.

Inflating your tires to sidewall or even twice the rating of sidewall isn't going to make them POP. For your viewing pleasure, I'm linking to a video of rednecks inflating a DRY ROTTED and SPLIT tire. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hEUeRFQL9A That tire was inflated to at least 160psi, and very possibly 175 psi.

Overinflation is a relative term, a radial tire mounted in the front of a vehicle, inflated to sidewall is not going to wear down the very center compared to tire inflated to its "recommended level of inflation as indicated by the door jam". The only time "over inflation" to this level would be an issue is if a tire is mount on the rear of an unloaded pickup truck. In this case, I've actually seen the tires wear down the center before wearing down the sides.

Tires inflated to sidewall are less likely to: Hydroplane, overheat, wear unevenly, wear down the sides and will protect the rims in the event you crash into a curb,

Inflating your tires (at least front tires) to sidewall will result in better handling in most cases and better mileage in all cases. It is true that when you inflate your tires the ride will be more rough and this is due to the fact that the tires can no longer deflect in response to road irregularities like they used to.

Look, anybody can go on google and post links to the general consumer inquires part of a manufacturer or go to the AAA website and listen to those suggestions. But while those suggestions are to put the liability squarely with the car manufacturer, it doesn't give consumers the opportunity to figure out how to safely inflate their tires to suit their own needs.

It's amusing to have a general consensus that one would like good tire wear yet when I tell them what I did to achieve such perfectly even tire wear, I get calls for me to be banned and that I'm an idiot for doing such a thing. I've read about people claiming that they get good tire wear, or even tire wear when they inflate to the car manufacturer's recommendation but I'm calling bullshit. I've never EVER seen a car wear PERFECTLY EVENLY when inflated to the door jam recommendation. I'm sure I'll hear a lot of dissenters to claim otherwise but maybe the reason why is because what I consider horribly uneven others would consider good or "perfectly even". One way to check to see if a tire is wearing evenly is to cup your hand around the top corner of the tire and rub around the tire to see if it feels smooth or jagged. This works most effectively when visual inspection isn't able to provide enough conclusive evidence.

I always made a point to show the downsides of inflating your tires to higher than the door jam recommends but each and every time I'm bombarded with posts by people repeating the same rhetoric whether it be them criticizing me because of things I can't control and aren't relevant like my age or them creating straw man arguments by claiming that I'm disrespecting people's opinions that not only haven't even been made but aren't even participating in the discussion.

Anyone can post a link to a site discrediting what I'm saying, but I find that in MY EXPERIENCE AND OBVIOUSLY THAT OF OTHERS that there is overwhelming empirical evidence to state to the contrary of those sites. While those sites may be correct when something bad happens, what they aren't correct about is predicting what and when something bad will happen.


So, for those who have bothered to even try inflating their tires to the number printed on the sidewall, please feel free to post what you've found different with your car, listing the positives and negatives.

The opinions of JulesMaximus, PhoKingGuy, and PlasmaBomb are not welcome at this time.


I think it's fabulous that even though you're the biggest retard I've ever seen, you still try to communicate with others.
 

fleabag

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So what car do you drive, what size are your tires, and what kind of tires do you have?

Let's just put it this way, when given the chance I inflate tires to sidewall and I've seen no ill effects because of it and eventually find the very opposite.
 

MotF Bane

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Let's just put it this way, when given the chance I inflate tires to sidewall and I've seen no ill effects because of it and eventually find the very opposite.

When given the chance, ergo, you don't drive. But we all know that you're fifteen anyways.
 

jlee

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Let's just put it this way, when given the chance I inflate tires to sidewall and I've seen no ill effects because of it and eventually find the very opposite.

Are you aware that you are apparently incapable of answering very simple questions?
 

Bignate603

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R134a and R420 and what ever are ALL flammable...

What the hell are you talking about? R134a isn't flammable unless you try pretty hard to make it burn. It needs to be under high pressure and in the presence of oxygen. As soon as it leaks out of the system it's at too low of a pressure to burn.

MSSD for R134a
(http://ww2.ramapo.edu/libfiles/HR/Environmental_Health_and_Safety/MSDS/Facilities/HVAC/134a.pdf)

R420 is an 88% mix of R134a (not flammable) and 12% of R142 (flammable). There's a reason why the R142 is diluted and you don't see it used in places where it's likely to be a problem.
 

pray4mojo

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What the hell are you talking about? R134a isn't flammable unless you try pretty hard to make it burn. It needs to be under high pressure and in the presence of oxygen. As soon as it leaks out of the system it's at too low of a pressure to burn.

MSSD for R134a
(http://ww2.ramapo.edu/libfiles/HR/Environmental_Health_and_Safety/MSDS/Facilities/HVAC/134a.pdf)

R420 is an 88% mix of R134a (not flammable) and 12% of R142 (flammable). There's a reason why the R142 is diluted and you don't see it used in places where it's likely to be a problem.

not to mention that they're also not CFCs so im not sure why he brought up R134 and R430
 
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