Lets get ready for some Debating Cage Fights Round 1,2, and 3

[nageov3t]

Nah, his grandson will, didn't you hear how good his is with the computers?

his 10 year-old son, not grandson... getting his grandkids involved would just be crazy.

 

[soundforbjt]

His debate performance was and he was sniffling the whole time, but after the debates Hillary quickly and quietly was shown on CNN getting help up into her van and leaving whereas Trump continued to work the room and meet with reporters.

He was the first candidate in history to hang in the spin room after the debate, Hillary left and went to a nearby rally and gave a speech.

 

[soulcougher73]

The only thing i dont like about Hillary's message is its the same ole same ole. Business as usual, nothing new, continued with the failed policies. At least Trump has a sort of "Hope & Change" strategy to try something different in place of things that dont work. Not that i 100% agree with what he wants to do, but at least he has that going for him lol. Staying the course has not worked out well for us. Time for drastic changes.

 

[vi edit]

The only thing i dont like about Hillary's message is its the same ole same ole. Business as usual, nothing new, continued with the failed policies. At least Trump has a sort of "Hope & Change" strategy to try something different in place of things that dont work. Not that i 100% agree with what he wants to do, but at least he has that going for him lol. Staying the course has not worked out well for us. Time for drastic changes.

Can you tell me what exactly that strategy is and how you think it will help?

 

[Jaskalas]

The only thing i dont like about Hillary's message is its the same ole same ole. Business as usual, nothing new, continued with the failed policies.

It's the "same ole same ole" because it's a push for policies Republicans have blocked, isn't it?
As in those are not current domestic polices, but rather ones Democrats are striving towards?

 

[soulcougher73]

Can you tell me what exactly that strategy is and how you think it will help?

Nope. Just something different is worth a try lol. I dont think he has much of a plan or would be able to implement much of a plan the way our government is set up even if he did have one.

 

[vi edit]

Nope. Just something different is worth a try lol. I dont think he has much of a plan or would be able to implement much of a plan the way our government is set up even if he did have one.

What do you think is drastically broke and needs fixed?

 

[mect]

The only thing i dont like about Hillary's message is its the same ole same ole. Business as usual, nothing new, continued with the failed policies. At least Trump has a sort of "Hope & Change" strategy to try something different in place of things that dont work. Not that i 100% agree with what he wants to do, but at least he has that going for him lol. Staying the course has not worked out well for us. Time for drastic changes.

While I understand the sentiment, and am not a fan of Hillary, I think Trump change would be significantly worse than business as usual.

 

[mnewsham]

Nope. Just something different is worth a try lol. I dont think he has much of a plan or would be able to implement much of a plan the way our government is set up even if he did have one.

Something different might be worth a try if we knew what something different was.

He is the embodiment of idealism. He talks about this ideal vision he has but he never has any concrete plans to actually get there.

Anyone can dream about a perfect world, I want someone who can give me policies that will actually take us closer to that reality.

 

[Brainonska511]

Nope. Just something different is worth a try lol. I dont think he has much of a plan or would be able to implement much of a plan the way our government is set up even if he did have one.

Trump's message amounts to 'change for the sake of change'. "I don't like the direction we're heading, so let's drive off the cliff."

 

[chucky2]

Watched a good part of the debate, my takeaway is:

• If one actually Believes whatever manufactured and calculated rehearsed talking points come out of Billary's mouth at this point, she certainly was more Politician sounding. Of course, for someone who is a long practiced Establishment Politician, she should be. Completely expected, nothing new from Billary.

• Trump, obviously, was Trump. Thought he could have been more prepared, somewhat less generalities, more specifics. Large miss on e-mail, jumbled "stamina" with reiteration of "stamina", instead of just throwing all the recent press of Billary collapsing and coming up with weak excuse of pneumonia. Really thought he should have worked in the untrustable angle more. Also misses for younger people (Bernie generation which expects everything to be fairy farts and "free") and minorities. If I was him I'd have made a direct statement to them telling them in Trump version "I feel your pain and I will work to not only make this a country of law and order but less dog eat world for you".

Not sure I'd 'give' the debate to either of them, although if I had to pick, I'd swing it to Billary only from the sheeple perspective...that they'd actually have any inclination to believe, well, anything Billary says means whichever fools actually would do that would likely be more wooed by her rather than him.

Was not a disaster for Trump but certainly not a win. If he cannot step it up to another level and start hitting on young and minority issues he's 110% certain going to fail.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Its so fun watching the Trump surrogates get grilled on Trumps taxes, previous statements like Global Warming is Chinese propaganda, his ME plan, his flip flopping.
Finally news channels are asking follow up questions and expecting an answer.

 

[Brainonska511]

The point is, NOBODY is asking the government to get involved. They invite themselves to get involved. I see them as nothing less than a pernicious influence on the internet. There should be two internets, one for the government and one for the people. They can patrol and monitor the government internet and leave the rest of us alone. Cyber security my ass, it is a power grab and a kick in the nuts to freedom. Mark my words, they will eventually succeed in grabbing the reins of power and we will all look back with nostalgia on the internet that we have now. It pisses me off that they have the absolute SACK to even talk about it.

How do you propose we deal with nation-state backed hackers, intent on stealing intellectual property, trade secrets, and personal data from corporations? Should corporations and individuals be on their own to protect themselves from nation-state-backed hackers?

Perhaps its high-time we started taking cyber security more seriously instead of having hodge podge solutions across the board. What that solution would be (government/industry partnership, regulations of some sort, something else?) - I don't know. But I don't necessarily see some underlying evil motive to try and get at people's data more than they already can.

 

[Sunburn74]

The only thing i dont like about Hillary's message is its the same ole same ole. Business as usual, nothing new, continued with the failed policies. At least Trump has a sort of "Hope & Change" strategy to try something different in place of things that dont work. Not that i 100% agree with what he wants to do, but at least he has that going for him lol. Staying the course has not worked out well for us. Time for drastic changes.

Yeah but not everyone thinks it's Armageddon either where you have to blow everything up either.

 

[ivwshane]

Just because Trump is a chump and easily rope a doped doesn't mean NAFTA was neutral at worst.
.http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebat...-suffered-and-the-united-states-felt-its-pain

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/09/25/o...-mexico-the-election-is-about-nafta.html?_r=0


And why would Hillary tell the President of the UAW she will renegotiate the deal if it wasn't that bad like you say, unless she is telling him what he wants to hear like most democrats do to unions today and throw them under the bus after they get into office,

There is a reason I didn't link to an opinion piece when talking about the impact of NAFTA.

I'm not sure why you think making a trade agreement better is contradictory to the statement that said trade agreement was neutral in its impact.

 

[Sunburn74]

Watched a good part of the debate, my takeaway is:

• If one actually Believes whatever manufactured and calculated rehearsed talking points come out of Billary's mouth at this point, she certainly was more Politician sounding. Of course, for someone who is a long practiced Establishment Politician, she should be. Completely expected, nothing new from Billary.

• Trump, obviously, was Trump. Thought he could have been more prepared, somewhat less generalities, more specifics. Large miss on e-mail, jumbled "stamina" with reiteration of "stamina", instead of just throwing all the recent press of Billary collapsing and coming up with weak excuse of pneumonia. Really thought he should have worked in the untrustable angle more. Also misses for younger people (Bernie generation which expects everything to be fairy farts and "free") and minorities. If I was him I'd have made a direct statement to them telling them in Trump version "I feel your pain and I will work to not only make this a country of law and order but less dog eat world for you".

Not sure I'd 'give' the debate to either of them, although if I had to pick, I'd swing it to Billary only from the sheeple perspective...that they'd actually have any inclination to believe, well, anything Billary says means whichever fools actually would do that would likely be more wooed by her rather than him.

Was not a disaster for Trump but certainly not a win. If he cannot step it up to another level and start hitting on young and minority issues he's 110% certain going to fail.

Was an absolute disaster for him. He came off as a petulant child who rolled out of bed just minutes before.

 

[edro]

but I'm sure women voters will think differently especially since her fat weight was 160lbs and the average American woman weighs 166lbs.

166 average... what is the average weight of a paegant contestant? Probably 110.
I know what you're saying though.

I need to watch more anti Trump videos.
I am still split, but leaning more and more away from him.

 

[soulcougher73]

Yeah but not everyone thinks it's Armageddon either where you have to blow everything up either.

Like i said i dont agree with much of his message at all. I just wish both parties had some tangible changes to inspire me to care. I dont want more of the same, its been boring and hasnt produced anything exciting, well unless you consider being one of the laughing stocks of the world as exciting lol

 

[ivwshane]

Like i said i dont agree with much of his message at all. I just wish both parties had some tangible changes to inspire me to care. I dont want more of the same, its been boring and hasnt produced anything exciting, well unless you consider being one of the laughing stocks of the world as exciting lol

And for some reason you are unable to be specific.

If you are looking for an exciting government then you are in the wrong country.

 

[IronWing]

If you are looking for an exciting government then you are in the wrong country.

Exciting government is like interesting times, usually better to read about than to experience.

 

[bshole]

How do you propose we deal with nation-state backed hackers, intent on stealing intellectual property, trade secrets, and personal data from corporations?

Should corporations and individuals be on their own to protect themselves from nation-state-backed hackers?

1. That is the responsibility of the corporations.
2. Yes.

I certainly don't want our government getting involved. I want them as FAR away as possible.

Remember this is the same government that attempted to force Apple to implement a hack of their own security.

 

[Muse]

drumpf has the sniffles. or maybe it's a cola issue....

I was wondering about that. It was really annoying. I attributed it to a general state of unhealth, a chronic issue. Didn't occur to me he was sick, which it might have been, but it contributed to a general sense of repugnance.

 

[chucky2]

Was an absolute disaster for him. He came off as a petulant child who rolled out of bed just minutes before.

Yeah, just don't see it that way. Again though, I'm already starting from a position of not trusting a thing Billary says, so when her lips are moving I'm already putting it in the 'Lips are moving to get votes' category. I then contrast that with Trump who, while doing the same thing, at least has some measure of 'he actually believes something of what he is saying'. I understand Believers need to Believe for Billary, there is no changing their opinion, no use on that...each time she takes a dump, they're attempting to get some as lotion.

This really was about people who could be swayed and the completely undecideds. The question for each of them would be, are you actually buying into Billary? And do you think Trump is Presidential enough, along with buying into the gist of his message (however Trumpily delivered)?

I think it's more likely than not the sheeple will be (yet again as in every election) conned into yet another Establishment candidate speaking sweet nothings in their ears. Which means, as I said months ago, Billary will win. An absolute disaster for Trump though? Lol...No...but certainly at best a tie.

 

[bshole]

I was wondering about that. It was really annoying. I attributed it to a general state of unhealth, a chronic issue. Didn't occur to me he was sick, which it might have been, but it contributed to a general sense of repugnance.

You have to remember that both of these candidates are as old as dust. The one elected will be oldest president in American history. I hope they have a full supply of Depends stocked in the Oval Office.

 

[vi edit]

1. That is the responsibility of the corporations.
2. Yes.

I certainly don't want our government getting involved. I want them as FAR away as possible.

I think you glazed over the part of "Nation state backed hackers". We're not talking about self interested one-offs that are doing it for personal profit or bragging rights. He's talking about a government backed/funded/encouraged organized hack on private data and interests. That's quite a different game and a quite terrifying one.