Lets get ready for some Debating Cage Fights Round 1,2, and 3

[Sheik Yerbouti]

I hope jhhnn is an exception rather than the representative of Clinton voter. I think he is so sure of Clinton's win, he will not even have to vote this year. Where in the world are you picking up such misplaced overconfidence?

common sense and logic would dictate that nearly any viable candidate would obliterate drumpf, but we're living far outside of both of those aspects of humanity, so who the fsck knows anymore. drumpf doesn't need to just lose, he needs to lose by landslide proportions. send a loud and resounding message to him and his followers that their version of america is not acceptable, not at any level.
I find it mildly comforting that the usual drumpf-kateers have slowly faded into the background, give or take a few.

 

[ivwshane]

I hope jhhnn is an exception rather than the representative of Clinton voter. I think he is so sure of Clinton's win, he will not even have to vote this year. Where in the world are you picking up such misplaced overconfidence?

Electoral math?

 

[Starbuck1975]

common sense and logic would dictate that nearly any viable candidate would obliterate drumpf, but we're living far outside of both of those aspects of humanity, so who the fsck knows anymore. drumpf doesn't need to just lose, he needs to lose by landslide proportions. send a loud and resounding message to him and his followers that their version of america is not acceptable, not at any level.
I find it mildly comforting that the usual drumpf-kateers have slowly faded into the background, give or take a few.

He is starting to dangerously allude to not recognizing election night results, and is fanning the flames of a media conspiracy against him. I see dark clouds on the horizon.

 

[Jhhnn]

I hope jhhnn is an exception rather than the representative of Clinton voter. I think he is so sure of Clinton's win, he will not even have to vote this year. Where in the world are you picking up such misplaced overconfidence?

Please. I have faith in Democracy & in my fellow Americans. Vote? Of course I'll vote & I encourage everybody to do the same. This Trump mess needs to be cleaned up like a hairball on the carpet.

Clinton learns & prepares meticulously. She's also very cool under fire with a hide like a rhinoceros. She and her staff have been studying Donald for a long time, trying to imagine every possible scenario & prepare to deal with it. She'll be under his skin before he knows what happened.

Trump? He's just winging it, completely clueless as to how to throw Clinton off her stride or how she's already gotten to him. He's also giving her plenty of fresh ammunition.

Just bring it. If Clinton can't handle this buffoon she doesn't deserve to win.

 

[Jhhnn]

He is starting to dangerously allude to not recognizing election night results, and is fanning the flames of a media conspiracy against him. I see dark clouds on the horizon.

I see pandering to the right wing FUD his flock already believes in. The more soundly he's thrashed the more it will discredit that bullshit.

 

[nakedfrog]

I see pandering to the right wing FUD his flock already believes in. The more soundly he's thrashed the more it will discredit that bullshit prove the system is rigged.

Fixed for post-election spin.

 

[zinfamous]

Perhaps not. Trump got destroyed in the first debate and is coming off an incredibly poor week of gaffes and critical errors, and yet Clinton's lead is not growing substantially. I just read that Trump's lead in Ohio is actually growing, and he can still potentially take Florida? How is that even feasible?

Debates are not going to flip undecided voters. The only people excited about Clinton's debate performance are Clinton supporters and SNL.

What could flip undecided voters are large rallies. Trump is still drawing crowds. That is dangerous.

how so? Those rallies only attract Trump's true believers. Undecideds actually watch the debates

 

[zinfamous]

He is starting to dangerously allude to not recognizing election night results, and is fanning the flames of a media conspiracy against him. I see dark clouds on the horizon.

why is this dangerous? most people don't put much stock in the fringe elements of society that cry the loudest over such absurd conspiracy nonsense. people like 911 truthers, birthers, JFK nutsos, and Trump supporters.

 

[vi edit]

why is this dangerous? most people don't put much stock in the fringe elements of society that cry the loudest over such absurd conspiracy nonsense. people like 911 truthers, birthers, JFK nutsos, and Trump supporters.

This will make the dimpled chad thing with Gore in Florida look like...like...some analogy I have no idea what to relate it to.

 

[Starbuck1975]

how so? Those rallies only attract Trump's true believers. Undecideds actually watch the debates

It's a measure of enthusiasm, which Clinton is lacking. Its little anectodal things that make this year's election interesting. I live in a blue state, in a town that in elections prior, there was an Obama sign in nearly every yard. Same town, same people, barely a Clinton sign to be seen, yet a growing number of Trump signs.

 

[Starbuck1975]

why is this dangerous? most people don't put much stock in the fringe elements of society that cry the loudest over such absurd conspiracy nonsense. people like 911 truthers, birthers, JFK nutsos, and Trump supporters.

You should rub elbows with more Trump supporters. There is a growing tone of conspiracy and its finding roots amongst people who are far from the traditional right wing fringe.

 

[Jhhnn]

This will make the dimpled chad thing with Gore in Florida look like...like...some analogy I have no idea what to relate it to.

That's why Trump needs to be crushed & Repubs repudiated everywhere. Florida was close, very close, which was the reason for all the accusations back & forth. This race really should be not close & I see the next debate as an opportunity to make it that way.

I want Clinton to have a clear mandate to act on her policy positions and on the platform of the Democratic Party. A person doesn't have to like her to see that's a helluva lot better for the average family than anything Trump & the Repubs have to offer.

 

[Jhhnn]

You should rub elbows with more Trump supporters. There is a growing tone of conspiracy and its finding roots amongst people who are far from the traditional right wing fringe.

So you're emulating the "teach the controversy" bullshit from Creationists, or what?

There is no voter fraud conspiracy no matter how you push it to the front, which is exactly what you're doing with this "some people are saying" routine.

 

[zinfamous]

You should rub elbows with more Trump supporters. There is a growing tone of conspiracy and its finding roots amongst people who are far from the traditional right wing fringe.

I visit Florida about once a month. I get to observe--and sometimes interact with--them in their natural habitat.

 

[zinfamous]

So you're emulating the "teach the controversy" bullshit from Creationists, or what?

There is no voter fraud conspiracy no matter how you push it to the front, which is exactly what you're doing with this "some people are saying" routine.

well but like, some people believe these things so like, you know, one must accept their beliefs as honest and lend some sort of validity to their thoughts simply by virtue of them thinking them.

 

[yllus]

He is starting to dangerously allude to not recognizing election night results, and is fanning the flames of a media conspiracy against him. I see dark clouds on the horizon.

I think this is going to permanently damage the American republic as well. The combination of already saying "if I lose it's rigged" and completely invalidating the credibility of the free press is going to push a certain segment of people further into the deep end.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's a measure of enthusiasm, which Clinton is lacking. Its little anectodal things that make this year's election interesting. I live in a blue state, in a town that in elections prior, there was an Obama sign in nearly every yard. Same town, same people, barely a Clinton sign to be seen, yet a growing number of Trump signs.

It's a measure of zealotry among the Repub base. Donald spun the volume up to 11 & they love it. It's what they really want to hear, what their leadership has nurtured & used only under the surface for decades. It's like a really nasty boil coming to a head.

 

[fskimospy]

It's a measure of enthusiasm, which Clinton is lacking. Its little anectodal things that make this year's election interesting. I live in a blue state, in a town that in elections prior, there was an Obama sign in nearly every yard. Same town, same people, barely a Clinton sign to be seen, yet a growing number of Trump signs.

Peggy Noonan agrees that this is a good way to measure enthusiasm and is likely to explain the outcome.

http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/11/05/monday-morning/

 

[sontakke]

why is this dangerous? most people don't put much stock in the fringe elements of society that cry the loudest over such absurd conspiracy nonsense. people like 911 truthers, birthers, JFK nutsos, and Trump supporters.

To the best of my knowledge the number of people like 911 truthers, birthers, JFK nutsos were never in the range of 14Millions. If you are still considering Trump supporters to be fringe element of the society, you are in for a rude shock. Heck, I was shocked when I realized that some of my good friends (all upper class suburbanite immigrants with at least quarter million per year income and few millions in the bank) are partial to Trump. I do not understand the visceral hatred of Clinton but please do not under estimate it. Logic does not play any role in US politics.

 

[Starbuck1975]

I visit Florida about once a month. I get to observe--and sometimes interact with--them in their natural habitat.

Thats cool. I visit Oakland and Portland several times a year and get to see a whole different dynamic of political ignorance on display. We should exchange stories.

 

[Starbuck1975]

Peggy Noonan agrees that this is a good way to measure enthusiasm and is likely to explain the outcome.

http://blogs.wsj.com/peggynoonan/2012/11/05/monday-morning/

Were it not for the 47% comment, I believe Romney could have taken the White House. That reveal cost him greatly. I suspect a similar reveal is in Clinton's emails or wall street speeches, hence the incredible amount lf maneuvering for what would otherwise be procedural.

 

[fskimospy]

Were it not for the 47% comment, I believe Romney could have taken the White House. That reveal cost him greatly. I suspect a similar reveal is in Clinton's emails or wall street speeches, hence the incredible amount lf maneuvering for what would otherwise be procedural.

I sincerely doubt it. The 2012 race was exceptionally stable and Obama had a clear and consistent advantage for almost the whole time. Romney was very unlikely to win from almost the start, the rest was just people who didn't want to believe it lying to themselves.

 

[Jhhnn]

I think this is going to permanently damage the American republic as well. The combination of already saying "if I lose it's rigged" and completely invalidating the credibility of the free press is going to push a certain segment of people further into the deep end.

I think that it will rather lead to the introspection that right wingers generally avoid, to an epiphany for some. The results of the first debate are already eroding belief & truthiness. That was evident in the relative quiet for a few days afterward. It was like "Wait... what? I can't believe that just happened." It took awhile to rationalize that away. I think it's fairly obvious that not all potential Trump voters were able to do that.

Look at the direction the polls took afterwards. I figure that more of the same will lead to more of the same & I'm confident that Clinton senses that. Debates are unpredictable but Trump isn't, not to Clinton, because Donald can't help being Donald, & doesn't understand what makes him tick the way she does.

 

[Jhhnn]

Were it not for the 47% comment, I believe Romney could have taken the White House. That reveal cost him greatly. I suspect a similar reveal is in Clinton's emails or wall street speeches, hence the incredible amount lf maneuvering for what would otherwise be procedural.

Spreading the FUD, huh? The only maneuvering lately has been from the usual conspiracy theorists.

 

[agent00f]

If only people knew more about clinton they would vote for trump instead.