Let's discuss the British Monarchy

[HAL9000]

How long?

At least as long as I've been aware of your existence

 

[RabidMongoose]

At least as long as I've been aware of your existence

So I've only been a Cyclone since you became aware of me? How does this work exactly?

 

[HAL9000]

So I've only been a Cyclone since you became aware of me? How does this work exactly?

I said at least as long, learn to read properly.

 

[RabidMongoose]

I said at least as long, learn to read properly.

How exactly am I a cyclone anyways?

 

[HAL9000]

How exactly am I a cyclone anyways?

You wouldn't understand, cyclones have trouble understanding their cyclonedom.

 

[RabidMongoose]

You wouldn't understand, cyclones have trouble understanding their cyclonedom.

I want to understand. Cyclones are pretty cool.

Do you think that cyclones are better than peasants?

 

[HAL9000]

I want to understand. Cyclones are pretty cool.

Do you think that cyclones are better than peasants?

Hah, classic delusional cyclone

 

[RabidMongoose]

Hah, classic delusional cyclone

It's interesting that you apply human behavior to weather patterns.

 

[HAL9000]

It's interesting that you apply human behavior to weather patterns.

How cyclone.

 

[zinfamous]

not sure how one (neckbeard) can turn atheist and reject useless, debasing, archaic institutions based on sound and reasonable logic, yet that same person (neckbeard) can openly accept an equally archaic (nearly as long-lived), debasing, and useless institution such as monarchy--by simply blinding oneself to the same sort of logic employed to reject the other.


fascinating.


is that what a lifetime of tea drinking and bean-eating does to one's mental capacity?

 

[RabidMongoose]

is that what a lifetime of tea drinking and bean-eating does to one's mental capacity?

I think it's more of a lifetime being a peasant. It can really damage one's psyche.

 

[HAL9000]

not sure how one (neckbeard) can turn atheist and reject useless, debasing, archaic institutions based on sound and reasonable logic, yet that same person (neckbeard) can openly accept an equally archaic (nearly as long-lived), debasing, and useless institution such as monarchy--by simply blinding oneself to the same sort of logic employed to reject the other.


fascinating.


is that what a lifetime of tea drinking and bean-eating does to one's mental capacity?

One requires an irrational belief in delusion.

The other requires a rational understanding that the royal family are ceremonial figureheads that bring tourism to the country and bring in huge amounts of money to the country with no downsides.

This response was not for RabidMongoose or CanOfWorms.

Side note: I fucking hate baked beans, it's one of only two things I won't eat.

 

[Maximilian]

Its one thing France has on the UK, they had the balls to hang their monarchy years ago, we should have done the same

 

[Whiskey16]

I grew up in the small British commonwealth Country of Belize... I am the grandson of Scottish ex pats. My dad has dual Citizenships of Belize and Great Britain.

As for me....I will NEVER seek British Citizenship and feel the British raped and sucked the old Colony of Belize dry!

Screw Great Britain as far as I am concerned!!

Ahh, so unlike it to be that a republic could ever "suck" a state in Central America dry....?

Dude, be thankful during the time of your or your parents that Belize didn't nearly face the extremes of genocide in Guatemala, and onto smaller scale massacres down through Honduras, el Salvador, Nicaragua, etc.... Then to go back to the first half of the 20th century with US military invasions and brutal occupations of neighbouring regional states -- other than Belize.

Belize gained self-governance in 1964, and full Independence in 1981. Guatemala, rather than Britain, was Belize's greatest threat as it retained the perception of Belize not to be independent, but a territory of Guatemala. If you put it all into perspective, Belize under the British crown, kept the USA out, and was a relative beacon of stability in this region.

Just being pragmatically honest here.

 

[davmat787]

Ahh, so unlike it to be that a republic could ever "suck" a state in Central America dry....?

Dude, be thankful during the time of your or your parents that Belize didn't nearly face the extremes of genocide in Guatemala, and onto smaller scale massacres down through Honduras, el Salvador, Nicaragua, etc.... Then to go back to the first half of the 20th century with US military invasions and brutal occupations of neighbouring regional states -- other than Belize.

Belize gained self-governance in 1964, and full Independence in 1981. Guatemala, rather than Britain, was Belize's greatest threat as it retained the perception of Belize not to be independent, but a territory of Guatemala. If you put it all into perspective, Belize under the British crown, kept the USA out, and was a relative beacon of stability in this region.

Just being pragmatically honest here.

Must be tough to have the White Man's Burden. I'm sure your right, he should simply be thankful to the crown, what right does he have to question the almighty King & Queen? lol

 

[RabidMongoose]

Ah, yes, the benevolent British colonial genocide. How wonderful it was to have the British Empire rape the world.

 

[CanOWorms]

Ahh, so unlike it to be that a republic could ever "suck" a state in Central America dry....?

Dude, be thankful during the time of your or your parents that Belize didn't nearly face the extremes of genocide in Guatemala, and onto smaller scale massacres down through Honduras, el Salvador, Nicaragua, etc.... Then to go back to the first half of the 20th century with US military invasions and brutal occupations of neighbouring regional states -- other than Belize.

Belize gained self-governance in 1964, and full Independence in 1981. Guatemala, rather than Britain, was Belize's greatest threat as it retained the perception of Belize not to be independent, but a territory of Guatemala. If you put it all into perspective, Belize under the British crown, kept the USA out, and was a relative beacon of stability in this region.

Just being pragmatically honest here.

The British Empire was the most ruthless organization on the planet. Don't try to pretend that any non-settler colony was better treated by the British than any possible treatment by others. That just defies history and the billions who were slaughtered in the name of the monarchy.

 

[RabidMongoose]

The British Empire was the most ruthless organization on the planet. Don't try to pretend that any non-settler colony was better treated by the British than any possible treatment by others. That just defies history and the billions who were slaughtered in the name of the monarchy.

It was the most bloodthirsty entity to ever exist in the known universe. The British Empire was probably the worst thing to ever happen to humanity. And the sad thing is that the peasants were fine with it as long as it furthered the reach of the God-King.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

It's one war the British didn't win

The word British is Hebrew and it means "Covenant Man" or the "People of The Covenant", as it does also in the Welsh language.

Elizabeth Mountbatten, also known by the aliases Elizabeth Windsor and Elizabeth the Second, who has never officially been crowned, because she was crowned sitting upon a fake Stone of Destiny, is, like all of her predecessors, from the royal line of king David of Israel and the British Throne is the Throne of David that is to be inherited by Christ

The British people, who are Israelites, under The Covenant, have been betrayed; impoverished and oppressed by the monarchy through-out its long and evil existence, because the people themselves have not kept The Covenant, that they swore at Sinai to keep for ever.

Under that Covenant the monarch is prohibited from using their position for personal material gain of any kind and from making up their own laws and taxes and economic policies; either themselves or their politicians.

 

[-Slacker-]

There is no British Monarchy. The UK is a Democratic republic just like all the other first world countries. The Queen is there for show, as a mere symbol, while the prime minister runs the country as the equivalent of the president of France, for example.

 

[HAL9000]

There is no British Monarchy. The UK is a Democratic republic just like all the other first world countries. The Queen is there for show, as a mere symbol, while the prime minister runs the country as the equivalent of the president of France, for example.

Well that's obvious to anyone with the mental capacity of a squirrel, but I just thought this would be a good thread for RabidMongoose and CanOfWorms to nef in.

 

[mammador]

The morality, legitimacy of the history of the monarch, should it be there? Is it ethical / moral? Why does America not have one? Is it better or worse without it.

Use this thread to discuss that.

I am British, and I couldn't care less about the monarchy. I would also say these points:

- If we are "bad" for having a monarchy, then so is Spain, Sweden, Norway, the Netherlands, Belgium, Denmark, Luxembourg, Malaysia, Japan, etc. All run on similar principles to our own. To school us out single-handedly only shows a lack of knowledge of global affairs.

- Is it moral? Morality is subjective, who can then say what is moral or not?

- The US doesn't have one, well it's not my issue I'm not American. Perhaps the values that the Founders laid down are not consistent with it.

There is no British Monarchy. The UK is a Democratic republic just like all the other first world countries. The Queen is there for show, as a mere symbol, while the prime minister runs the country as the equivalent of the president of France, for example.

Yes, a constitutional monarchy. To say there is no monarchy is foolishness.

 

[mammador]

The British Empire was the most ruthless organization on the planet. Don't try to pretend that any non-settler colony was better treated by the British than any possible treatment by others. That just defies history and the billions who were slaughtered in the name of the monarchy.

Billions? Colonialism was the order of the day.

 

[mammador]

It's interesting that you apply human behavior to weather patterns.

heh, can I ask what you know of UK society or culture, other than perhaps what US pop culture or the media tell you?

If we're to have a debate on the value of the UK monarchy, or how "evil" the UK was centuries ago, we need to see if you on a solid grounding. Already, one of you didn't even know the term constitutional monarchy, and presumed the UK sovereign and other sovereigns in developed countries were absolute monarchs.

 

[davmat787]

Billions? Colonialism was the order of the day.

Yes sir, there was like, bajillions killed. And here we though Stallin, Pol Pot, and Hitler were bad dudes, they have nothing on the crown.

Seriously, I don't want to minimize any atrocities committed under the days of UK Colonialism, but posting numbers that are so off base don't help your position RapidMongoose/CanOWorms. As you can see from my other posts, I am obviously not a fan of want went down during the colonial times either.

Do you have a more accurate number? I am honestly curious.