LET ME JUST GET THIS STRAIGHT........ Plz read this

[arsbanned]

http://archives.thedaily.washington.edu/2000/012000/nA97.SensationC.html

That's how people in the U.S. respond to the Virgin Mary being festooned with Cow Dung and other niceties....

 

[RichardE]

See, now this is where your argument deteriorates. You said yourself, that depicting them in any fashion is a crime, blshpemy ect. So depicting them at all in the cartoons is a crime is it not? It should be no different than muhammed with a bomb on his head, or Jesus with a american flag on him, throwing a spear at Iraq. Either way, apprently it is blashpemy and punishable by death. Now from what I see, the people are not upset at the pictures displaying Jesus, and MAry ect, but are regarding mohammed. So either they are hypocrites, have lost touch with there own religion, or most muslims do not care until they are ralied under a banner.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
On the other hand though , we can still wear a Harper sucks t-shirt to a P.C. rally and get close enough to pie him in the face
( for now anyways )

I see where you're coming from. Defending violence is not a good thing. Throwing pies at someone is not a good thing. I know you're a liberal, and so am I. Don't bring shame to our side.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
On the other hand though , we can still wear a Harper sucks t-shirt to a P.C. rally and get close enough to pie him in the face
( for now anyways )

I see where you're coming from. Defending violence is not a good thing. Throwing pies at someone is not a good thing. I know you're a liberal, and so am I. Don't bring shame to our side.

Wonder what would happen if we threw a pie into harpers face

 

[irwincur]

Is Mohammad the only prophet not allowed to be depicted?[/Q

No, because there have been many cases of Muslims depicting even Mohammed in recent years. It is actually not all that uncommon. Furthremore, religious law really only applies to believers and more reasonable Imam's have sided with this for a long time.

Bet you won't hear that coming from the press...

 

[AnitaPeterson]

elpres05, you have been here only for one month or so, but you seem to be quite active in this particular subforum. I'm not even going to ask WWYBYWB? - but I have to question your allegiances, your upbringing and your age... Unlike you, I lived in a country which had no freedom of speech, and I KNOW how important that is... I've had high-school colleagues who died in the streets for this concept called "freedom". I was shot and gassed, nearly got myself imprisoned for the same ideals.

The question is - why are you so actively defending Islamofascists? I haven't seen anyone in these forums saying "all Muslims are brainwashed idiots, let's nuke'em", and we understand that *maybe* it's not the majority of their people who hate the West, either... but I have to really ask myself: this particular religion hasn't produced anything of great value in the last, oh, 300 years or so, give or take... by that, I mean everyday things: cars, computers, radio, photography, Internet, medicine, arts, philosophy, science, technology and the like; and neither have they been making any particular progress in political sciences, democracy and so on.

I never believed I'd see the day in which a Neanderthal with his face hidden behind a rag will raise a banner saying "Freedom, Go To Hell!"... No matter how you spin this, no matter how you blame the West as a cause, the fact remains: these people are in a sad, sorry state of affairs, and it's primarily their rabid religion which got them where they are.

If this whole "cartoon incident" blows itself harmlessly in a few weeks, instead of escalating - thanks to people as the one I mentioned earlier - I hope you go and live in Saudi Arabia for a few months, among these people you defend so much, and make sure you write us from there. As an experiment, make sure you wear a cross on a chain around your neck, while you're in the streets of Riyadh...

 

[arsbanned]

http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=127184&region=6

Violent protests against caricatures of the Prophet Mohammed have escalated, with four demonstrators killed during an attack on NATO troops in Afghanistan and a renewed assault against the Danish embassy in Tehran.

Nine people have been killed since protests erupted worldwide, seven in Afghanistan and one each in Somalia and Lebanon.

Denmark, where the 12 offending cartoons were first published, absorbed the brunt of Muslim anger, with attacks on diplomatic outposts, threats of economic boycotts, and the expulsion of Danish aid organisations from Chechyna.


A few have suggested that some Muslim states, Iran and Syria in particular, have needlessly inflamed religious passions.

Russian media speculated that current tensions between the United States and Iran could be behind the wave of protests.

"It is logical to think that Iran, which would like to become the leader of the Islamic world, aspires to the role of Islamic leader and is demonstrating Muslims' power to all," Russia?s largest circulation newspaper, Komsomolskaya Pravda, said.

I think it's Iran fomenting this thing. I suppose we may as well get this out of the way now.

 

[sandorski]

At the Christian school I went to I wasn't taught much about Mohammed or Islam in History, but one thing that always stuck in my head was that Mohammed was affected by the Christian use of Idols in his time. Perhaps I mis-interpreted what I was taught about it, but I got the impression then that Mohammed had more or less started as a Christian, but ended up rejecting Christianity when exposed to the rampant Idolatry at the time. Being as how I was a Pentecostalish Fundamentalist at the time I harbored somewhat of a favourable view of Mohammed on that particular issue.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
elpres05, you have been here only for one month or so, but you seem to be quite active in this particular subforum. I'm not even going to ask WWYBYWB? - but I have to question your allegiances, your upbringing and your age... Unlike you, I lived in a country which had no freedom of speech, and I KNOW how important that is... I've had high-school colleagues who died in the streets for this concept called "freedom". I was shot and gassed, nearly got myself imprisoned for the same ideals.

The question is - why are you so actively defending Islamofascists? I haven't seen anyone in these forums saying "all Muslims are brainwashed idiots, let's nuke'em", and we understand that *maybe* it's not the majority of their people who hate the West, either... but I have to really ask myself: this particular religion hasn't produced anything of great value in the last, oh, 300 years or so, give or take... by that, I mean everyday things: cars, computers, radio, photography, Internet, medicine, arts, philosophy, science, technology and the like; and neither have they been making any particular progress in political sciences, democracy and so on.

I never believed I'd see the day in which a Neanderthal with his face hidden behind a rag will raise a banner saying "Freedom, Go To Hell!"... No matter how you spin this, no matter how you blame the West as a cause, the fact remains: these people are in a sad, sorry state of affairs, and it's primarily their rabid religion which got them where they are.

If this whole "cartoon incident" blows itself harmlessly in a few weeks, instead of escalating - thanks to people as the one I mentioned earlier - I hope you go and live in Saudi Arabia for a few months, among these people you defend so much, and make sure you write us from there. As an experiment, make sure you wear a cross on a chain around your neck, while you're in the streets of Riyadh...

Freedom of Speech is certainly important, but as I have posted in other threads about the cartoons, the cartoons and the statement of which they are tied to(Freedom of Speech/Press)were Ill Conceived and never should have been made. Tensions are too high, not only in the World at large, but especially in Europe at the moment to be taking such stands.

 

[arsbanned]

And what other group must the World avoid offending for fear of violence? Now is as good a time as any to get the issue hashed out in its entirety. The World needs a good thorough dialogue on this issue.

 

[raildogg]

Muslims are too sensitive to take criticism. But in terms of dishing it out ... LOL, they're probably the best. Look at the daily cartoons portraying Jews, Christians, Americans, Westerners and others. Why do these people have a double standard?

Oh, I'm sorry. I may have just offended a muslim or a radical muslim apologist.

I'm really sorry. I take back my hateful comments.

Please don't burn any cars and embassies.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
elpres05, you have been here only for one month or so, but you seem to be quite active in this particular subforum. I'm not even going to ask WWYBYWB? - but I have to question your allegiances, your upbringing and your age... Unlike you, I lived in a country which had no freedom of speech, and I KNOW how important that is... I've had high-school colleagues who died in the streets for this concept called "freedom". I was shot and gassed, nearly got myself imprisoned for the same ideals.

The question is - why are you so actively defending Islamofascists? I haven't seen anyone in these forums saying "all Muslims are brainwashed idiots, let's nuke'em", and we understand that *maybe* it's not the majority of their people who hate the West, either... but I have to really ask myself: this particular religion hasn't produced anything of great value in the last, oh, 300 years or so, give or take... by that, I mean everyday things: cars, computers, radio, photography, Internet, medicine, arts, philosophy, science, technology and the like; and neither have they been making any particular progress in political sciences, democracy and so on.

I never believed I'd see the day in which a Neanderthal with his face hidden behind a rag will raise a banner saying "Freedom, Go To Hell!"... No matter how you spin this, no matter how you blame the West as a cause, the fact remains: these people are in a sad, sorry state of affairs, and it's primarily their rabid religion which got them where they are.

If this whole "cartoon incident" blows itself harmlessly in a few weeks, instead of escalating - thanks to people as the one I mentioned earlier - I hope you go and live in Saudi Arabia for a few months, among these people you defend so much, and make sure you write us from there. As an experiment, make sure you wear a cross on a chain around your neck, while you're in the streets of Riyadh...

Freedom of Speech is certainly important, but as I have posted in other threads about the cartoons, the cartoons and the statement of which they are tied to(Freedom of Speech/Press)were Ill Conceived and never should have been made. Tensions are too high, not only in the World at large, but especially in Europe at the moment to be taking such stands.

I totally disagree. If not now, when?

We are talking about some stupid cartoons that were printed in Denmark, a country with a 4% Muslim population and they weren't that objectionable. How can you justify that Denmark needs to prostrate itself to the wishes of Islam? When westerns are in a Muslim country do we not heed their wishes? Why then can't Denmark run their country the way they like?

Do the Muslims think they can control the west with threats of violence? The Muslims are trying their best to intimidate us and our whole western society works off this principal so it needs to be defended.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
elpres05, you have been here only for one month or so, but you seem to be quite active in this particular subforum. I'm not even going to ask WWYBYWB? - but I have to question your allegiances, your upbringing and your age... Unlike you, I lived in a country which had no freedom of speech, and I KNOW how important that is... I've had high-school colleagues who died in the streets for this concept called "freedom". I was shot and gassed, nearly got myself imprisoned for the same ideals.

The question is - why are you so actively defending Islamofascists? I haven't seen anyone in these forums saying "all Muslims are brainwashed idiots, let's nuke'em", and we understand that *maybe* it's not the majority of their people who hate the West, either... but I have to really ask myself: this particular religion hasn't produced anything of great value in the last, oh, 300 years or so, give or take... by that, I mean everyday things: cars, computers, radio, photography, Internet, medicine, arts, philosophy, science, technology and the like; and neither have they been making any particular progress in political sciences, democracy and so on.

I never believed I'd see the day in which a Neanderthal with his face hidden behind a rag will raise a banner saying "Freedom, Go To Hell!"... No matter how you spin this, no matter how you blame the West as a cause, the fact remains: these people are in a sad, sorry state of affairs, and it's primarily their rabid religion which got them where they are.

If this whole "cartoon incident" blows itself harmlessly in a few weeks, instead of escalating - thanks to people as the one I mentioned earlier - I hope you go and live in Saudi Arabia for a few months, among these people you defend so much, and make sure you write us from there. As an experiment, make sure you wear a cross on a chain around your neck, while you're in the streets of Riyadh...

Freedom of Speech is certainly important, but as I have posted in other threads about the cartoons, the cartoons and the statement of which they are tied to(Freedom of Speech/Press)were Ill Conceived and never should have been made. Tensions are too high, not only in the World at large, but especially in Europe at the moment to be taking such stands.

I totally disagree. If not now, when?

We are talking about some stupid cartoons that were printed in Denmark, a country with a 4% Muslim population and they weren't that objectionable. How can you justify that Denmark needs to prostrate itself to the wishes of Islam? When westerns are in a Muslim country do we not heed their wishes? Why then can't Denmark run their country the way they like?

Do the Muslims think they can control the west with threats of violence? The Muslims are trying their best to intimidate us and our whole western society works off this principal so it needs to be defended.

I don't want to get dragged back into this issue much as I pretty much stated my opinion in other threads and I'm not budging from it.

That said, it's not the criticism here that's the offense, it is the use of Mohammed in Imagery. IOWs, if the same message had been put into words, the backlash would have been far less severe.

There is also the issue of Tact and Wise use of one's Freedom to be considered. Would you yell "BOMB!" in the middle of a large crowd? Would you expect no consequence if you did?

 

[arsbanned]

Spurious comparison, IMO. This isn't the same thing as yelling "BOMB" in the middle of a large crowd. I see no valid comparison there at all.

 

[1EZduzit]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: 1EZduzit

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: AnitaPeterson
elpres05, you have been here only for one month or so, but you seem to be quite active in this particular subforum. I'm not even going to ask WWYBYWB? - but I have to question your allegiances, your upbringing and your age... Unlike you, I lived in a country which had no freedom of speech, and I KNOW how important that is... I've had high-school colleagues who died in the streets for this concept called "freedom". I was shot and gassed, nearly got myself imprisoned for the same ideals.

The question is - why are you so actively defending Islamofascists? I haven't seen anyone in these forums saying "all Muslims are brainwashed idiots, let's nuke'em", and we understand that *maybe* it's not the majority of their people who hate the West, either... but I have to really ask myself: this particular religion hasn't produced anything of great value in the last, oh, 300 years or so, give or take... by that, I mean everyday things: cars, computers, radio, photography, Internet, medicine, arts, philosophy, science, technology and the like; and neither have they been making any particular progress in political sciences, democracy and so on.

I never believed I'd see the day in which a Neanderthal with his face hidden behind a rag will raise a banner saying "Freedom, Go To Hell!"... No matter how you spin this, no matter how you blame the West as a cause, the fact remains: these people are in a sad, sorry state of affairs, and it's primarily their rabid religion which got them where they are.

If this whole "cartoon incident" blows itself harmlessly in a few weeks, instead of escalating - thanks to people as the one I mentioned earlier - I hope you go and live in Saudi Arabia for a few months, among these people you defend so much, and make sure you write us from there. As an experiment, make sure you wear a cross on a chain around your neck, while you're in the streets of Riyadh...

Freedom of Speech is certainly important, but as I have posted in other threads about the cartoons, the cartoons and the statement of which they are tied to(Freedom of Speech/Press)were Ill Conceived and never should have been made. Tensions are too high, not only in the World at large, but especially in Europe at the moment to be taking such stands.

I totally disagree. If not now, when?

We are talking about some stupid cartoons that were printed in Denmark, a country with a 4% Muslim population and they weren't that objectionable. How can you justify that Denmark needs to prostrate itself to the wishes of Islam? When westerns are in a Muslim country do we not heed their wishes? Why then can't Denmark run their country the way they like?

Do the Muslims think they can control the west with threats of violence? The Muslims are trying their best to intimidate us and our whole western society works off this principal so it needs to be defended.

I don't want to get dragged back into this issue much as I pretty much stated my opinion in other threads and I'm not budging from it.

That said, it's not the criticism here that's the offense, it is the use of Mohammed in Imagery. IOWs, if the same message had been put into words, the backlash would have been far less severe.

There is also the issue of Tact and Wise use of one's Freedom to be considered. Would you yell "BOMB!" in the middle of a large crowd? Would you expect no consequence if you did?

I understand your position. Relations with the ME are strained due to Bush's invasion of Iraq. I was against that invasion and exercised my right of free speech against it and Bush's re-election. Funny, not one Muslim ever critizied my right to free speech then.

The leaders of Islam are trying to catch us in a trap that they have thoughtfully laid. Don't fall for it.

 

[RichardE]

I have to wonder, if the dictators who squander the oil funds of there country, and relish it a wasteland. Who are in bed with the oil companies, and with such an influc of money, give up on real leadership of there country, but instead just focus on there own interests, mainly oil. The result of all this being great poverty spread through there land, because lets face it, if they spent the oil on there country, on there infrastructure, social programs, educations, industries. They would be world leaders. I have to wonder, if these leaders who rape there countries wealth, and squander the greatest, wealthies source of revenue in history, if they are the ones to blame, instead of Islan. I have to wonder, why, 10 million plus muslims who live in the United States, why they are not rioting? Yet, there poor, futureless, hopeless brothers in religion, in the ME are. I have decided that I will blame the leaders of these countries, for making the conditions that these people live in, that resulted in there anger.

 

[imported_Shivetya]

Originally posted by: elpres05

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I

I guess all those Palestinians who holed up with Arafat in that Christian church who used the Bible for toliet paper, and made a point of doing it, were being good little Muslims?


Face it, while Islam and some of its followers may have good ideals there are too many radicals who would just as soon drag it down to their level of hate to score points.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: elpres05

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I

I guess all those Palestinians who holed up with Arafat in that Christian church who used the Bible for toliet paper, and made a point of doing it, were being good little Muslims?


Face it, while Islam and some of its followers may have good ideals there are too many radicals who would just as soon drag it down to their level of hate to score points.

I am sure if you took a christian society, and made it extremly poor, than put in priests who made sure to teach the finer points of the bible (killing gays, people of other religions ect) you would find a society of chritian terrorists as well.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: elpres05

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I

I guess all those Palestinians who holed up with Arafat in that Christian church who used the Bible for toliet paper, and made a point of doing it, were being good little Muslims?


Face it, while Islam and some of its followers may have good ideals there are too many radicals who would just as soon drag it down to their level of hate to score points.

I am sure if you took a christian society, and made it extremly poor, than put in priests who made sure to teach the finer points of the bible (killing gays, people of other religions ect) you would find a society of chritian terrorists as well.

But that is not the case, so what's the point?

You could replace the word Christian with Raeliens or any other religion and say the same thing.

Also, don't blame all this on poverty because not all of the radicals are that worse off. Some are very educated and make a good living.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: elpres05

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I

I guess all those Palestinians who holed up with Arafat in that Christian church who used the Bible for toliet paper, and made a point of doing it, were being good little Muslims?


Face it, while Islam and some of its followers may have good ideals there are too many radicals who would just as soon drag it down to their level of hate to score points.

I am sure if you took a christian society, and made it extremly poor, than put in priests who made sure to teach the finer points of the bible (killing gays, people of other religions ect) you would find a society of chritian terrorists as well.

But that is not the case, so what's the point?

You could replace the word Christian with Raeliens or any other religion and say the same thing.

Also, don't blame all this on poverty because not all of the radicals are that worse off. Some are very educated and make a good living.

Why are the 10million plus Muslims in the states not rioting than?

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: elpres05

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I

I guess all those Palestinians who holed up with Arafat in that Christian church who used the Bible for toliet paper, and made a point of doing it, were being good little Muslims?


Face it, while Islam and some of its followers may have good ideals there are too many radicals who would just as soon drag it down to their level of hate to score points.

I am sure if you took a christian society, and made it extremly poor, than put in priests who made sure to teach the finer points of the bible (killing gays, people of other religions ect) you would find a society of chritian terrorists as well.

It is the ability to question things without fear of reprisal that allows a society to move forward. Once you have that neither poverty, government, nor religion can hold you back.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: elpres05

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I

I guess all those Palestinians who holed up with Arafat in that Christian church who used the Bible for toliet paper, and made a point of doing it, were being good little Muslims?


Face it, while Islam and some of its followers may have good ideals there are too many radicals who would just as soon drag it down to their level of hate to score points.

I am sure if you took a christian society, and made it extremly poor, than put in priests who made sure to teach the finer points of the bible (killing gays, people of other religions ect) you would find a society of chritian terrorists as well.

It is the ability to question things without fear of reprisal that allows a society to move forward. Once you have that neither poverty, government, nor religion can hold you back.

Precisely, what you have hear is a society of hopeless young individuals, flooded over with images of western wealth, given speeches by there elders, authoritarian figures about who is to blame, and backing that reason to blame by there interpretation of what the quran is. Any religion can be made to be evil, and has been, Islam is no different, but Islam is not the reason for the violence.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: elpres05

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I

I guess all those Palestinians who holed up with Arafat in that Christian church who used the Bible for toliet paper, and made a point of doing it, were being good little Muslims?


Face it, while Islam and some of its followers may have good ideals there are too many radicals who would just as soon drag it down to their level of hate to score points.

I am sure if you took a christian society, and made it extremly poor, than put in priests who made sure to teach the finer points of the bible (killing gays, people of other religions ect) you would find a society of chritian terrorists as well.

But that is not the case, so what's the point?

You could replace the word Christian with Raeliens or any other religion and say the same thing.

Also, don't blame all this on poverty because not all of the radicals are that worse off. Some are very educated and make a good living.

Why are the 10million plus Muslims in the states not rioting than?

I don't know. Why are the other 1.2 billion muslims in the world not rioting?

It doesn't mean anything. It is the religious leaders who are instigating. The people in those areas must buy their message. The people in Europe must also buy their message. If you read about terrorists, most of them live in seclusion and interact with closed groups. They only deal with a few people in that group and wall off the rest of the world. These terrorists are educated and smart. Not your typical image of a terrorist.

I don't buy that the radical muslims are poor.

 

[RichardE]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: elpres05

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I

I guess all those Palestinians who holed up with Arafat in that Christian church who used the Bible for toliet paper, and made a point of doing it, were being good little Muslims?


Face it, while Islam and some of its followers may have good ideals there are too many radicals who would just as soon drag it down to their level of hate to score points.

I am sure if you took a christian society, and made it extremly poor, than put in priests who made sure to teach the finer points of the bible (killing gays, people of other religions ect) you would find a society of chritian terrorists as well.

But that is not the case, so what's the point?

You could replace the word Christian with Raeliens or any other religion and say the same thing.

Also, don't blame all this on poverty because not all of the radicals are that worse off. Some are very educated and make a good living.

Why are the 10million plus Muslims in the states not rioting than?

I don't know. Why are the other 1.2 billion muslims in the world not rioting?

It doesn't mean anything. It is the religious leaders who are instigating. The people in those areas must buy their message. The people in Europe must also buy their message. If you read about terrorists, most of them live in seclusion and interact with closed groups. They only deal with a few people in that group and wall off the rest of the world. These terrorists are educated and smart. Not your typical image of a terrorist.

I don't buy that the radical muslims are poor.

Precisely, it is not Islam, but the conditions of the people causing these riots.


The muslims, or sheeps as you will are hopeless, the leaders are not.

 

[1prophet]

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: 1prophet

Originally posted by: RichardE

Originally posted by: Shivetya

Originally posted by: elpres05

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I

I guess all those Palestinians who holed up with Arafat in that Christian church who used the Bible for toliet paper, and made a point of doing it, were being good little Muslims?


Face it, while Islam and some of its followers may have good ideals there are too many radicals who would just as soon drag it down to their level of hate to score points.

I am sure if you took a christian society, and made it extremly poor, than put in priests who made sure to teach the finer points of the bible (killing gays, people of other religions ect) you would find a society of chritian terrorists as well.

It is the ability to question things without fear of reprisal that allows a society to move forward. Once you have that neither poverty, government, nor religion can hold you back.

Precisely, what you have hear is a society of hopeless young individuals, flooded over with images of western wealth, given speeches by there elders, authoritarian figures about who is to blame, and backing that reason to blame by there interpretation of what the quran is. Any religion can be made to be evil, and has been, Islam is no different, but Islam is not the reason for the violence.

Actually they are told western lifestyle is evil and incompatible with Islam.

Sayed_Kotb

He considered the American lifestyle as primitive and shocking, incompatible with Islam during the 1950's where most of us here would consider it very conservative and prude.

Here is some video's if you haven't seen them already.

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Higher quality video's on page 2