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elpres05

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Why is everyone relating insults of Jesus to the current situation? What do you think muslims like insulting Jesus? or that muslims also potrayed Jesus as a pig or anything?

Let me clear this to everyone, Jesus (muslims call Eesa) is also one of the most important figures in muslim history and every muslim respects him, but not as the son of God, which is the only diff b/w Christian and Muslim philosophies. Infact, ask a muslim to name 10 prophets out of the 0.2 Million whom existed, the name of Jesus would always (100% guarentee) come in the top 5. I am so sure of this that i would feel ashamed of myself if any muslim does not name Jesus or Eesa. However, the current condition may prevent some muslims not to name Jesus because it has always been a general impression that Christians had Jesus and Muslims had Muhammad.

You would say Islam wasn't there at the time of Jesus?

It was, it has always been, why? because all prophets who came preached the same basic concept of one God. Even though finalized version of Islam came only 1400 years ago through Muhammad, the basic concepts of both the major religions is the same.

If there were no conflicts, there was no point in this world. God didn't send us here to enjoy our lives and kill those who we don't like. We will all have to face God one day for all out actions.

The following are my words which you can slam on every muslims face,

"Even though Islam is the newest religion of all, its a shame on muslims who failed to maintain it. Its a shame for all of them allowing this religion to fall apart and there is nothing you can do about it or blame the west in any sense, its clearly written in your book that you(muslims) will fall apart and thats exactly what is happening, so stop bothering us and just die"

I am 100% sure that in the past 1400 years, a lot has been lost just like other religions lost their originality. The Holy Quran which anti-muslims like to call toilet papers or words of humans is the only book that didn't change its text since it came. Sure, i wouldn't mind you calling it fake or sh*t words because you'll find plenty of muslims who oppose the bible, don't they all?

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I am not against any religion and i don't want people to fight. Seriously, is there a point in this dog-fight. If we all hate each others religions, lets just leave it there, besides, none of us is actually true, we all have some false within us which we don't want others to see.

Instead of blamming each other, why can't we

 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: elpres05
Why is everyone relating insults of Jesus to the current situation? What do you think muslims like insulting Jesus? or that muslims also potrayed Jesus as a pig or anything?

Let me clear this to everyone, Jesus (muslims call Eesa) is also one of the most important figures in muslim history and every muslim respects him, but not as the son of God, which is the only diff b/w Christian and Muslim philosophies. Infact, ask a muslim to name 10 prophets out of the 0.2 Million whom existed, the name of Jesus would always (100% guarentee) come in the top 5. I am so sure of this that i would feel ashamed of myself if any muslim does not name Jesus or Eesa. However, the current condition may prevent some muslims not to name Jesus because it has always been a general impression that Christians had Jesus and Muslims had Muhammad.

You would say Islam wasn't there at the time of Jesus?

It was, it has always been, why? because all prophets who came preached the same basic concept of one God. Even though finalized version of Islam came only 1400 years ago through Muhammad, the basic concepts of both the major religions is the same.

If there were no conflicts, there was no point in this world. God didn't send us here to enjoy our lives and kill those who we don't like. We will all have to face God one day for all out actions.

The following are my words which you can slam on every muslims face,

"Even though Islam is the newest religion of all, its a shame on muslims who failed to maintain it. Its a shame for all of them allowing this religion to fall apart and there is nothing you can do about it or blame the west in any sense, its clearly written in your book that you(muslims) will fall apart and thats exactly what is happening, so stop bothering us and just die"

I am 100% sure that in the past 1400 years, a lot has been lost just like other religions lost their originality. The Holy Quran which anti-muslims like to call toilet papers or words of humans is the only book that didn't change its text since it came. Sure, i wouldn't mind you calling it fake or sh*t words because you'll find plenty of muslims who oppose the bible, don't they all?

So please people, its my request, lets just not fight. There is no point in fighting, if you see any muslim making fun of christianity or other religions, he would be just as dead as these danish cartoonists. Its only after you commit something that you realize your mistake. Even if the danish newspapers don't publish apology, the cartoonists would be feeling guilty themselves.

I am not against any religion and i don't want people to fight. Seriously, is there a point in this dog-fight. If we all hate each others religions, lets just leave it there, besides, none of us is actually true, we all have some false within us which we don't want others to see.

Instead of blamming each other, why can't we


See, the thing people don't get, is the people in the west will die for there freedom of speech. That is how important it is, we would rather die than lose it. Along with other freedoms. Anytime you see someone from the west get pissed off about it, you need to think of that. See yahoo, it is allowed to sell Nazi wear in the states, you can buy racist, bigoted, macho or anti (insert religion here) thing in the US/Canada and not be charged.
 

Meuge

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I disagree.

What you're suggesting is that all the fundamentalists make peace with each other. The world has had enough religious fundamentalism.

Let me make a different suggestion. Let's dig a hole 10km wide and 10km long, and 300 meters deep, divided by chain-link fences according to the proportions of different world religions. Then we'll pass a survey around the world, asking people whether they believe that an insult against their religion (any religion) or not following their religion merits physical punishment. Everyone who says "yes" will be shipped to the site of the hole, and gently lowered in with their comrades. When all of that is done, we throw a few million knives, swords, etc... into the hole... and lift the barriers.
 

jrenz

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Let me make a different suggestion. Let's dig a hole 10km wide and 10km long, and 300 meters deep, divided by chain-link fences according to the proportions of different world religions. Then we'll pass a survey around the world, asking people whether they believe that an insult against their religion (any religion) or not following their religion merits physical punishment. Everyone who says "yes" will be shipped to the site of the hole, and gently lowered in with their comrades. When all of that is done, we throw a few million knives, swords, etc... into the hole... and lift the barriers.

What the heck? :confused:
 

elpres05

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Originally posted by: Meuge
I disagree.

What you're suggesting is that all the fundamentalists make peace with each other. The world has had enough religious fundamentalism.

Let me make a different suggestion. Let's dig a hole 10km wide and 10km long, and 300 meters deep, divided by chain-link fences according to the proportions of different world religions. Then we'll pass a survey around the world, asking people whether they believe that an insult against their religion (any religion) or not following their religion merits physical punishment. Everyone who says "yes" will be shipped to the site of the hole, and gently lowered in with their comrades. When all of that is done, we throw a few million knives, swords, etc... into the hole... and lift the barriers.

You did not go deep into my debate. Iron cuts Iron, muslims kill muslims.
These riots could not have been possible without the help of some internal agents who are muslims themselves.

As i said, no need to fight. We had lal been living together for so long, why kill each other now. I say kill all the politicians because they don't represent the voice of the nation.
 

Orignal Earl

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Originally posted by: RichardE

See, the thing people don't get, is the people in the west will die for there freedom of speech. That is how important it is, we would rather die than lose it. Along with other freedoms. Anytime you see someone from the west get pissed off about it, you need to think of that. See yahoo, it is allowed to sell Nazi wear in the states, you can buy racist, bigoted, macho or anti (insert religion here) thing in the US/Canada and not be charged.

You got to be careful there Richard, actually in Canada we do have laws against hate speech

In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine.
 

rahvin

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Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
You got to be careful there Richard, actually in Canada we do have laws against hate speech

Quite true, Europe and Canada don't have Free Speach, they have Kinda Free Speech.
 

Orignal Earl

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On the other hand though , we can still wear a Harper sucks t-shirt to a P.C. rally and get close enough to pie him in the face ;)
( for now anyways )
 

arsbanned

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This thread seems unnecessary. We have several others going. Every point doesn't require a new thread.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: Orignal Earl
Originally posted by: RichardE

See, the thing people don't get, is the people in the west will die for there freedom of speech. That is how important it is, we would rather die than lose it. Along with other freedoms. Anytime you see someone from the west get pissed off about it, you need to think of that. See yahoo, it is allowed to sell Nazi wear in the states, you can buy racist, bigoted, macho or anti (insert religion here) thing in the US/Canada and not be charged.

You got to be careful there Richard, actually in Canada we do have laws against hate speech

In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine.


Ah, true, I should have said freedom of speech as long as it does not infring on others freedoms.
 

arsbanned

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How about the portrait of the Virgin Mary, decorated with elephant dung and cutouts from pornographic magazines. How many were killed, how many buildings were torched after that showed?
ZEEEEEROHHH.
 

elpres05

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Originally posted by: arsbanned
How about the portrait of the Virgin Mary, decorated with elephant dung and cutouts from pornographic magazines. How many were killed, how many buildings were torched after that showed?
ZEEEEEROHHH.

How stupid are you, i made this thread to clear these things.

Do you know Jesus's mothers tomb is in a muslim country, protected by military where no one can go?
 

elpres05

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Aimster
In many parts of Europe talking negative about Jews/Holocaust = prision

lol, what parts?

It always come to Lol, ashamed of urself "lol", proved wrong "lol", making others feel that you didn't a bit "lol"

man, wat a lol i am.. lol
 

elpres05

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Is Mohammad the only prophet not allowed to be depicted?

No, in Islam, depicting all other prophets is prohibited too. You may wonder some movies made on Islam by the west depicted some prophets but not Muhammad.

Don't get this wrong impression, depicting all prophets is prohibited but its not words of God, its what muslims call disrespect and the word cartoon is a lot of disrespect.
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: elpres05
Originally posted by: RichardE
Is Mohammad the only prophet not allowed to be depicted?

No, in Islam, depicting all other prophets is prohibited too. You may wonder some movies made on Islam by the west depicted some prophets but not Muhammad.

Don't get this wrong impression, depicting all prophets is prohibited but its not words of God, its what muslims call disrespect and the word cartoon is a lot of disrespect.

What I don't understand than, not being an ass, but why is it ok to depict jesus, mary ect in muslim papers?
 

Orignal Earl

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Originally posted by: Forsythe
Originally posted by: Aimster
In many parts of Europe talking negative about Jews/Holocaust = prision

lol, what parts?


* Holocaust denial is outlawed in most European countries as a form of hate speech (see also historical revisionism).

* In the United Kingdom, incitement to racial hatred is an offence under the Public Order Act 1986 with a maximum sentence of up to seven years imprisonment.

* In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any 'identifiable group' is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An 'identifiable group' is defined as 'any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.' It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine.

* Victoria, Australia has enacted the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act 2001, which prohibits conduct that incites hatred against or serious contempt for, or involves revulsion or severe ridicule of another on the grounds of his race or religious beliefs.

Hate Speech
 

elpres05

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: elpres05
Originally posted by: RichardE
Is Mohammad the only prophet not allowed to be depicted?

No, in Islam, depicting all other prophets is prohibited too. You may wonder some movies made on Islam by the west depicted some prophets but not Muhammad.

Don't get this wrong impression, depicting all prophets is prohibited but its not words of God, its what muslims call disrespect and the word cartoon is a lot of disrespect.

What I don't understand than, not being an ass, but why is it ok to depict jesus, mary ect in muslim papers?

What exactly do you mean by depict? im sorry i was talking about visuals not wordings. Jesus as i mentioned earlier is an important part of Muslim history too, can't muslims give his remarkable examples. No muslim depicts him in a negative way, never!
 

RichardE

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Originally posted by: elpres05
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: elpres05
Originally posted by: RichardE
Is Mohammad the only prophet not allowed to be depicted?

No, in Islam, depicting all other prophets is prohibited too. You may wonder some movies made on Islam by the west depicted some prophets but not Muhammad.

Don't get this wrong impression, depicting all prophets is prohibited but its not words of God, its what muslims call disrespect and the word cartoon is a lot of disrespect.

What I don't understand than, not being an ass, but why is it ok to depict jesus, mary ect in muslim papers?

What exactly do you mean by depict? im sorry i was talking about visuals not wordings. Jesus as i mentioned earlier is an important part of Muslim history too, can't muslims give his remarkable examples. No muslim depicts him in a negative way, never!


We all have all seen muslim editorials in muslim countries depicting Jesus, Mary or the cross.
 

elpres05

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Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: elpres05
Originally posted by: RichardE
Originally posted by: elpres05
Originally posted by: RichardE
Is Mohammad the only prophet not allowed to be depicted?

No, in Islam, depicting all other prophets is prohibited too. You may wonder some movies made on Islam by the west depicted some prophets but not Muhammad.

Don't get this wrong impression, depicting all prophets is prohibited but its not words of God, its what muslims call disrespect and the word cartoon is a lot of disrespect.

What I don't understand than, not being an ass, but why is it ok to depict jesus, mary ect in muslim papers?

What exactly do you mean by depict? im sorry i was talking about visuals not wordings. Jesus as i mentioned earlier is an important part of Muslim history too, can't muslims give his remarkable examples. No muslim depicts him in a negative way, never!


We all have all seen muslim editorials in muslim countries depicting Jesus, Mary or the cross.

and now you have hit a point, don't send me links, just tell me briefly how they depicted Mary and Jesus. Was there an issue of a Pig-face?