Let me be one of the first to call Peyton Manning....

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
And for the record, I would take Roethlisberger and possibly Romo over Manning at this point in their respective careers. Their respective teams are winning because of their play as leaders and as QBs and they have a lot more upside than Mannings does now in his 10th season.

As a Cowboys fan who has a man-crush on Tony Romo, I think you're insane. Even with Manning being a few years older than Romo, I would still take the current Manning over the current Romo, without hesitation.

oh yeah. I think Romo is going to be huge. the kid has potential and skill. experiance is only going to help.

of course having the O-line and recievers he does helps heh. BUT romo is one i am going to continue to watch over th eyears.

 

[meltdown75]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: meltdown75
You're a tool.

If that is based on your sig (assuming that you are an Edmonton fan and not old school Houston fan)....

You are a homer.

Face facts...Gretzky was not "The Great One" while in Broadway but a shell of his former self. While still better than most, he was clearly not able to live up to his standards.

I wasn't even an Oilers fan back then. He was great in a lot more ways than just on the ice though. You're still a tool.

 

[rise]

Originally posted by: Deeko

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
And for the record, I would take Roethlisberger and possibly Romo over Manning at this point in their respective careers. Their respective teams are winning because of their play as leaders and as QBs and they have a lot more upside than Mannings does now in his 10th season.

As a Cowboys fan who has a man-crush on Tony Romo, I think you're insane. Even with Manning being a few years older than Romo, I would still take the current Manning over the current Romo, without hesitation.

it almost needs a poll by itslef;

brady, manning, ben, romo.

manninf is slightly overrated bedcause of his face being slapped all over the commercialls and then when he has a crap game, people question him, especially the stat whores and ffl players.

i'd take brady as my qb anyday but peyton is a certain second, imo.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Kev
LOL @ taking Worthlessburger over Manning.

Career achievements that matter...

Superbowl championships:
Manning 1
Roethlisberger 1

Look, I realize that it is hard for a lot of you to let go of your idols... it's ok.

Sooner or later we all have to realize that a 35 year old Ali is going to get his ass handed to him by a 22 year old Tyson. (Yes I know that they didn't fight...but that outcome would have been inevitable had they at those stages of their careers)

That a 20 year career is going to end with 9 goals in 70 games.

That's just the way that it goes. We get older and our skills diminish whilst some young buck comes up and takes our place on the pedestal. It's just natural selection. You can still look back on the golden days when the QB, center, shooting guard, etc that you had a man-crush on was at the pinnacle of their profession.

Oh, for the record, against NE...Peyton LOST Indy the game that Addai had put them in control of. "Manning fades back....oh no...FUMBLE"

 

[rise]

also, the weather excuse falls flat (remember brady in the snow bowl) as does starters missing. brady had receivers missing his entire career with RB's like antuan smith instead of the edge.

 

[Deeko]

Like I said, its one thing to have bad receivers, its another thing to not have them at all. They had 3 receivers active for that game, 1 of which had never had an NFL catch. The LT that started the game was supposed to be 3rd on the depth chart...and then he got hurt. They were on their 4th string LT! And their starter at RT went down, causing them to play a guard in that spot. It really did hurt them more in this particular game that none of these people are seriously hurt, because rather than starting "waiver wire" players, they started "practice squad" players. That'd bad. Obviously Manning played terrible, and he's admitted to that, but the roster for the game is a lot more indicative of the performance than him getting old, like RightIsWrong suggests.

RightIsWrong, do you know that Romo threw 5 INTs earlier this year? Or that Roethlisberger led the league in INTs last year? Or that almost every year up until this one, Brady has had a 5 INT game? Everyone has a bad game now and then - its a good thing GMs don't think like you. Just because he had a bad game, does not mean that his career is over.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: Deeko

RightIsWrong, do you know that Romo threw 5 INTs earlier this year? Or that Roethlisberger led the league in INTs last year? Or that almost every year up until this one, Brady has had a 5 INT game? Everyone has a bad game now and then - its a good thing GMs don't think like you. Just because he had a bad game, does not mean that his career is over.

Yes I do. I know that, in the game that Romo threw 5...they still won. They lost to the NE machine.

Roethlisberger also was involved in a motorcycle wreck that could have killed him and then had to have an emergency appendectomy.

I also know that both of them have more touchdown passes, higher Yds/Att avgs, higher completion percentages and a higher QB rating than Manning does.

And both of them are 4+ and 6+ years younger respectively with a lot less wear and tear on them.

 

[MaxDepth]

You're just saying this because he told you to forget about having rock-hard abs and instead just buy bigger shirts.

 

[Muadib]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
You're just saying this because he told you to forget about having rock-hard abs and instead just buy bigger shirts.

 

[Josh]

Originally posted by: buck

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: meltdown75
You're a tool.

If that is based on your sig (assuming that you are an Edmonton fan and not old school Houston fan)....

You are a homer.

Face facts...Gretzky was not "The Great One" while in Broadway but a shell of his former self. While still better than most, he was clearly not able to live up to his standards.

The same is happening with Manning this season. One of the best QBs (statistically) of all time. Sure fire HoF career. 2007-08 NFL season....over-rated.

And for the record, I would take Roethlisberger and possibly Romo over Manning at this point in their respective careers. Their respective teams are winning because of their play as leaders and as QBs and they have a lot more upside than Mannings does now in his 10th season.

lol
This guy is funny.

He's a regular fvckin comedian with a statement like that.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: MaxDepth
You're just saying this because he told you to forget about having rock-hard abs and instead just buy bigger shirts.

Manning isn't 'model slim' himself... he has a bit of a buddah belly

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Deeko

RightIsWrong, do you know that Romo threw 5 INTs earlier this year? Or that Roethlisberger led the league in INTs last year? Or that almost every year up until this one, Brady has had a 5 INT game? Everyone has a bad game now and then - its a good thing GMs don't think like you. Just because he had a bad game, does not mean that his career is over.

Yes I do. I know that, in the game that Romo threw 5...they still won. They lost to the NE machine.

Roethlisberger also was involved in a motorcycle wreck that could have killed him and then had to have an emergency appendectomy.

I also know that both of them have more touchdown passes, higher Yds/Att avgs, higher completion percentages and a higher QB rating than Manning does.

And both of them are 4+ and 6+ years younger respectively with a lot less wear and tear on them.

Wear and tear? Manning has never been hurt... shit, he rarely even gets hit. This guy is at the absolute pinnacle of his career. Mark my words, next season he'll be back and as good as ever. To say you'd take guys like Rothlesburger over him is really insane. Manning has a cannon arm, great decision making and is a born leader. You can't take that away from him.

He'll be in the league for at least another five seasons and I promise you he'll be among the best like he always is.

Seriously, you've got your nuts all over Romo after less than a full season of football. Do yourself a favor, go back and look at all the other wanna-bes that managed to put together a season of very, very good football. It takes something special to do what Manning and Brady have done over the past several seasons. I'm not even really saying Romo is a wanna-be, but you cannot even begin to compare him to the best in the league until he's been good for a few seasons.

 

[miniMUNCH]

I don't really like Peyton at all but I think he is fantastic QB...

What people don't realize is that Harrison and Wayne are not that good... they are starter quality on most any team but they are not the elite, pro-bowl WR's that their numbers suggest. .. they have Peyton to thank.

Dallas Clark is a very good TE.

My QB rankings:

1. Brady
2. P. Manning
3. Romo

Then it goes to the 2nd tier guys...

 

[Alistar7]

Still not a Manning fan, too easy to rattle and not a team player/leader.

Books still out on Romo IMHO, need to see him maintain his success long term and win in the postseason before he gets tossed in the elite bin.

 

[Phokus]

Manning is evil btw:

http://img98.imageshack.us/img.../manningvampirenk6.jpg

:laugh:

 

[ThePresence]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Kev
LOL @ taking Worthlessburger over Manning.

Career achievements that matter...

Superbowl championships:
Manning 1
Roethlisberger 1

Look, I realize that it is hard for a lot of you to let go of your idols... it's ok.

Sooner or later we all have to realize that a 35 year old Ali is going to get his ass handed to him by a 22 year old Tyson. (Yes I know that they didn't fight...but that outcome would have been inevitable had they at those stages of their careers)

That a 20 year career is going to end with 9 goals in 70 games.

That's just the way that it goes. We get older and our skills diminish whilst some young buck comes up and takes our place on the pedestal. It's just natural selection. You can still look back on the golden days when the QB, center, shooting guard, etc that you had a man-crush on was at the pinnacle of their profession.

Oh, for the record, against NE...Peyton LOST Indy the game that Addai had put them in control of. "Manning fades back....oh no...FUMBLE"

I see. So one season after being leading his team to a championship and being named the SuperBowl MVP his skills have diminished and he's washed up. Wow.

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Kev
LOL @ taking Worthlessburger over Manning.

Career achievements that matter...

Superbowl championships:
Manning 1
Roethlisberger 1

Look, I realize that it is hard for a lot of you to let go of your idols... it's ok.

Sooner or later we all have to realize that a 35 year old Ali is going to get his ass handed to him by a 22 year old Tyson. (Yes I know that they didn't fight...but that outcome would have been inevitable had they at those stages of their careers)

That a 20 year career is going to end with 9 goals in 70 games.

That's just the way that it goes. We get older and our skills diminish whilst some young buck comes up and takes our place on the pedestal. It's just natural selection. You can still look back on the golden days when the QB, center, shooting guard, etc that you had a man-crush on was at the pinnacle of their profession.

Oh, for the record, against NE...Peyton LOST Indy the game that Addai had put them in control of. "Manning fades back....oh no...FUMBLE"

I see. So one season after being leading his team to a championship and being named the SuperBowl MVP his skills have diminished and he's washed up. Wow.

No, but I think he is just pointing out the age difference and longer term upside potential.

Career stats for the aforementioned QBs, with Montana's thrown in for comparision.

http://www.nfl.com/players/tom...y/profile?id=BRA371156

http://www.nfl.com/players/pey...g/profile?id=MAN515097

http://www.nfl.com/players/ton...o/profile?id=ROM787981

http://www.nfl.com/players/ben...r/profile?id=ROE750381

http://www.nfl.com/players/joe...a/profile?id=MON392207

For all of Ben's off field problems, poor pass protection was his worst nme last year. It has not gotten significnlty better, their biggest weakness IMO. They can talk about how well he eludes a rush and makes plays upfield, but the bottom line is he is under constant pressure. Already taken 23 sacks this year, would be over 40 if not for his size/strength/mobility.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: moshquerade
not as overrated as his brother is. :roll:

His brother is a solid above average QB. If his name weren't 'Manning' you wouldn't have ridiculous expectations.

 

[mooglemania85]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: moshquerade
not as overrated as his brother is. :roll:

His brother is a solid above average QB. If his name weren't 'Manning' you wouldn't have ridiculous expectations.

I think the "ridiculous expectations" are justified, considering how much he cried about not wanting to go to SD. Obviously he hasn't fulfilled them yet.
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Drafted by the San Diego Chargers with the first overall pick in the 2004 NFL Draft. However, a draft-day trade sent ELI MANNING to the Giants.

Giants received

* Rights to 2004 1st Overall Pick, Eli Manning.

Chargers received

* Rights to 2004 4th Overall Pick, Philip Rivers.
* 2005 1st Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Linebacker Shawne Merriman.
* 2004 3rd Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Kicker Nate Kaeding.
* 2005 5th Round Draft Pick - Traded to Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Left Tackle Roman Oben.

 

[miniMUNCH]

Originally posted by: Alistar7

Originally posted by: ThePresence

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: Kev
LOL @ taking Worthlessburger over Manning.

Career achievements that matter...

Superbowl championships:
Manning 1
Roethlisberger 1

Look, I realize that it is hard for a lot of you to let go of your idols... it's ok.

Sooner or later we all have to realize that a 35 year old Ali is going to get his ass handed to him by a 22 year old Tyson. (Yes I know that they didn't fight...but that outcome would have been inevitable had they at those stages of their careers)

That a 20 year career is going to end with 9 goals in 70 games.

That's just the way that it goes. We get older and our skills diminish whilst some young buck comes up and takes our place on the pedestal. It's just natural selection. You can still look back on the golden days when the QB, center, shooting guard, etc that you had a man-crush on was at the pinnacle of their profession.

Oh, for the record, against NE...Peyton LOST Indy the game that Addai had put them in control of. "Manning fades back....oh no...FUMBLE"

I see. So one season after being leading his team to a championship and being named the SuperBowl MVP his skills have diminished and he's washed up. Wow.

No, but I think he is just pointing out the age difference and longer term upside potential.

Career stats for the aforementioned QBs, with Montana's thrown in for comparision.

http://www.nfl.com/players/tom...y/profile?id=BRA371156

http://www.nfl.com/players/pey...g/profile?id=MAN515097

http://www.nfl.com/players/ton...o/profile?id=ROM787981

http://www.nfl.com/players/ben...r/profile?id=ROE750381

http://www.nfl.com/players/joe...a/profile?id=MON392207

For all of Ben's off field problems, poor pass protection was his worst nme last year. It has not gotten significnlty better, their biggest weakness IMO. They can talk about how well he eludes a rush and makes plays upfield, but the bottom line is he is under constant pressure. Already taken 23 sacks this year, would be over 40 if not for his size/strength/mobility.

Ben is playing without a legit #1 WR... neither Holmes or Ward are true #1 NFL WR's. Holmes is developing well but he's not a go-to guy yet... Ward is slowing down. Heath Miller is the Steelers' best positional receiver.

 

[Alistar7]

Agree to a point miniMUNCH. While Ward might not the prototpyical #1 WR, lacking the speed/size, he still performs (all around) at an all pro level. Plax was a letdown in Pitt, inconsistent, didn't produce to his potential. With a weak free agent WR class for 2008 I would expect Pitt to aquire through the draft, their normal route.

Until this season Brady did not exactly have an all star recieving corps, and he still posted good numbers. Having a go to guy definitely makes it easier for a QB, but the good ones have the vision and ability to spread it around evenly.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: mooglemania85

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: moshquerade
not as overrated as his brother is. :roll:

His brother is a solid above average QB. If his name weren't 'Manning' you wouldn't have ridiculous expectations.

I think the "ridiculous expectations" are justified, considering how much he cried about not wanting to go to SD. Obviously he hasn't fulfilled them yet.
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Drafted by the San Diego Chargers with the first overall pick in the 2004 NFL Draft. However, a draft-day trade sent ELI MANNING to the Giants.

Giants received

* Rights to 2004 1st Overall Pick, Eli Manning.

Chargers received

* Rights to 2004 4th Overall Pick, Philip Rivers.
* 2005 1st Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Linebacker Shawne Merriman.
* 2004 3rd Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Kicker Nate Kaeding.
* 2005 5th Round Draft Pick - Traded to Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Left Tackle Roman Oben.

Looks to be more of an issue with Giants ownership than Manning. They could have taken Rivers and had the same players signed with the extra picks gained by the Chargers.

 

[tfinch2]

LOL @ the OP. OMG Derek Anderson of the Browns has better stats than Peyton this year, I'm going to go with him. :roll:

 

[tfinch2]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: mooglemania85

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: moshquerade
not as overrated as his brother is. :roll:

His brother is a solid above average QB. If his name weren't 'Manning' you wouldn't have ridiculous expectations.

I think the "ridiculous expectations" are justified, considering how much he cried about not wanting to go to SD. Obviously he hasn't fulfilled them yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Drafted by the San Diego Chargers with the first overall pick in the 2004 NFL Draft. However, a draft-day trade sent ELI MANNING to the Giants.

Giants received

* Rights to 2004 1st Overall Pick, Eli Manning.

Chargers received

* Rights to 2004 4th Overall Pick, Philip Rivers.
* 2005 1st Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Linebacker Shawne Merriman.
* 2004 3rd Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Kicker Nate Kaeding.
* 2005 5th Round Draft Pick - Traded to Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Left Tackle Roman Oben.

Looks to be more of an issue with Giants ownership than Manning. They could have taken Rivers and had the same players signed with the extra picks gained by the Chargers.

I'd rather have the Manning bastard child than Philip Rivers. :laugh:

 

[Alistar7]

Originally posted by: tfinch2

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: mooglemania85

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: moshquerade
not as overrated as his brother is. :roll:

His brother is a solid above average QB. If his name weren't 'Manning' you wouldn't have ridiculous expectations.

I think the "ridiculous expectations" are justified, considering how much he cried about not wanting to go to SD. Obviously he hasn't fulfilled them yet.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Drafted by the San Diego Chargers with the first overall pick in the 2004 NFL Draft. However, a draft-day trade sent ELI MANNING to the Giants.

Giants received

* Rights to 2004 1st Overall Pick, Eli Manning.

Chargers received

* Rights to 2004 4th Overall Pick, Philip Rivers.
* 2005 1st Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Linebacker Shawne Merriman.
* 2004 3rd Round Draft Pick - Used to draft and sign Kicker Nate Kaeding.
* 2005 5th Round Draft Pick - Traded to Tampa Bay Buccaneers for Left Tackle Roman Oben.

Looks to be more of an issue with Giants ownership than Manning. They could have taken Rivers and had the same players signed with the extra picks gained by the Chargers.

I'd rather have the Manning bastard child than Philip Rivers. :laugh:

Chargers got the better end of that deal.