Let me be one of the first to call Peyton Manning....

[se7en]

Stats only tell half the story OP.

Look at his team record previous to last nights game only 1 loss which happened to be to NE. He makes good calls, makes big plays and in the end delivers when its really needed. You remember that 4th and 2 play he pulled off last night? They didn't win sure but he got the first and put the ball where it needed to be.

Teams are preparing for him more this year and they have all those TD passes from last year to look at for review. The guy has had great seasons one right after the other and while not spectacular this year hes getting it done. You don't call a player overrated just because hes had HALF of a down year while keeping his team undefeated for most of that half. Seriously.

I don't like Dungy, Peyton or the Colts but you have to respect such an elite QB. You want to place all his value on stats alone lets take a look at which QB makes the most money. I'll give you a hint. . . its not him. And if stats were the only thing that counts in football then how does Norv Turner still have a job? It's not about some paper number its about what you do to win games which he has done.

 

[sash1]

Originally posted by: Captante
That game said a lot more about how far SD has regressed since last season then anything else.

yeah seriously. who would have guessed Vinatierri of all kickers would miss TWO kicks. you can't blame him much for that first one with like 6 seconds to get on the field, but him missing that 29 yarder to pretty much win the game was like, WTF? Colts just didn't catch a break this game, combined with poor play.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
thepd7 - that thread was devoted to Manning shooting off his mouth again and blaming others instead of himself like he did last year when Pitt beat them in the playoffs.

KLin - every team has to play with injuries, poor conditions and against opponents of varying degrees of competence. I am not focusing on one game... instead his season as a whole. This game threw his INT totals out of whack but that still doesn't account for the deity-like coronation as the best or second best QB in the league this year like all of the experts have anointed him.

His past seasons warranted that talk then. But anyone making that case this far into this season for him is way off the mark. This isn't the first week or two of the season. It is over 1/2 gone.

can you show me wher ehe shot his mouth off to the media? please? i would like to see it.

yes Manning had a BAD game. here is a shock. Brady (and the rest of the QBs in history) has also.

Here you go!

http://www.thesimon.com/magazi...ng_loser_and_jerk.html

"Manning graciously threw his offensive line and coaching staff under the bus after the Pittsburgh loss when he said "I'm trying to be a good teammate here. Let's just say we had some problems in protection.''

that quote says nothing. I asked for something that he has said in the media. that is just quote with no susbstance.

r

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
thepd7 - that thread was devoted to Manning shooting off his mouth again and blaming others instead of himself like he did last year when Pitt beat them in the playoffs.

KLin - every team has to play with injuries, poor conditions and against opponents of varying degrees of competence. I am not focusing on one game... instead his season as a whole. This game threw his INT totals out of whack but that still doesn't account for the deity-like coronation as the best or second best QB in the league this year like all of the experts have anointed him.

His past seasons warranted that talk then. But anyone making that case this far into this season for him is way off the mark. This isn't the first week or two of the season. It is over 1/2 gone.

can you show me wher ehe shot his mouth off to the media? please? i would like to see it.

yes Manning had a BAD game. here is a shock. Brady (and the rest of the QBs in history) has also.

Here you go!

http://www.thesimon.com/magazi...ng_loser_and_jerk.html

"Manning graciously threw his offensive line and coaching staff under the bus after the Pittsburgh loss when he said "I'm trying to be a good teammate here. Let's just say we had some problems in protection.''

that quote says nothing. I asked for something that he has said in the media. that is just quote with no susbstance.

r

What are you talking about? He called out his offensive line and offensive line coach and blamed them for the loss, if that's not 'shot his mouth off to the media', i don't know what is.

 

[herkulease]

I think you're blowing it up too big. He had a bad game. That's it. Every QB does.

His numbers for the most part are his career averages. QB rating is down though. 6 ints yesterday helped lower the number.

Brady lighting it up whether's through running up the score or not is what I expect to be those 1 year type bump in numbers. Chances are Brady isn't gonna completing the same percentage next year or throwing tons of TDs. Do you realize that only a handful of QBs have thrown 30 TD passes in back to back years?

For those wondering, Peyton didnt' like that Dungy called a timeout to complain about the simulated snap penalty when it was 4th and inches. He probably felt it wasn't worth it seeing as how rarely does the refs change such a penalty through complaining. Granted dungy probably figured no big deal I have Vinateiri to nail the chip shot.

 

[paulxcook]

Just to get this out of the way, yes, I'm a Colts fan.

Peyton is a great QB and may be the greatest of all time, but per his own standard he is playing some very average football this season. The injuries haven't helped, but even without that as a factor he hasn't played lights-out like he has in the past.

A lot of it is mental mistakes that I really didn't expect him to make this year, especially when he did such a good job of avoiding that crap last season. I thought he'd outgrown that nonsense.

That said, he was a 29 yard chip shot kick from leading the team back for the win. If anything, Adam V is overrated, at least this year.

 

[Ricochet]

Manning has one bad game and everyone is ready to lynch him. If it wasn't for Manning, do you think the Colts could have mounted a comeback the way they did in the 2nd half? Colts fair weather fans should STFU. There are plenty of other NFL teams that wouldn't mind signing him on.

 

[buck]

He is a future hall of famer, like him or not, he is a great QB. They just got off a loss from the pats; they lost moral along with some players and that will lead to poorer than usual play. Why do we need this nonsense thread?

 

[SlowSpyder]

I think he's a pretty good quarterback, but he's also always had a team around him. He's not very mobile, so if he doesn't have a sound line he doesn't have the ability to escape like some other qb's have. He's a great pure passer, but as teams have shown, if you can get pressure on him you can disrupt him.

I'm a Packer fan so I guess I use Brett Favre as the measuring stick. I don't think that Manning could ever do what Favre did with the talent Favre has on the Packers current squad. I guess that is how I can sum up Manning, I think he's a good qb that when inserted into a team that has a good line and talented receivers can look very, very good. He's smart and has the ability to find the weakness in the defense. But, I don't think he's so good that he'd be able to elevate an average team or carry them. To me he's kind of like what Emitt Smith was to running backs when compared to someone like Barry Sanders.

 

[torpid]

One of the first? Were you frozen in a block of ice for several years?

 

[Deeko]

I don't know who is "overrating" him, because everyone in the media is saying Brady is the best in the league in 2007. Are you saying you'd take Favre, Romo, or Roethlisberger over Manning? I'm a Cowboys fan, and there's no way I'd take Romo over Manning.

And the biggest problem with their injuries right now is actually the lack of severity - because the players aren't going on IR, they can't sign replacements, which means they go to games only dressing 44 players, only 17 of which play offense...and then 2 of those 17 get hurt? Come on, that spells disaster for anybody. On the plus side (for Manning), it means that they'll be healthy soon enough.

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
thepd7 - that thread was devoted to Manning shooting off his mouth again and blaming others instead of himself like he did last year when Pitt beat them in the playoffs.

KLin - every team has to play with injuries, poor conditions and against opponents of varying degrees of competence. I am not focusing on one game... instead his season as a whole. This game threw his INT totals out of whack but that still doesn't account for the deity-like coronation as the best or second best QB in the league this year like all of the experts have anointed him.

His past seasons warranted that talk then. But anyone making that case this far into this season for him is way off the mark. This isn't the first week or two of the season. It is over 1/2 gone.

can you show me wher ehe shot his mouth off to the media? please? i would like to see it.

yes Manning had a BAD game. here is a shock. Brady (and the rest of the QBs in history) has also.

Peyton after the Steelers made him look silly in Jan. 06:

"I'm trying to be a good teammate, but we had some protection problems."

Basically, if they wouldn't have let anyone get within 5 feet of me for a minute or two...I'd been able to make the plays. It's their fault I couldn't make a play. :roll:

He has enough time to throw for 290 yards, a TD, 0 INTs and it was the O-line's fault that they lost that playoff game?

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Gretzky and Jordan are overrated.

so is Tiger Woods.

I'm not sure that I have been as clear as I thought that I was in the two posts that I have made including the OP where I flatly stated....

I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS SEASON...NOT HIS CAREER!!!

And yes, Jordan was over-rated playing pathetic ball (by his own standards) with the Wizards. He averaged 20 ppg but that was because his 3-point shooting percentage went up while his overall shooting percentage dropped.

And Gretzky was pretty bad in his final year. Unless you really want to argue that 9 goals in 70 games is the mark of greatness?

 

[meltdown75]

You're a tool.

 

[slayer202]

when is the last time he had a bad game like this?

you are crazy OP

 

[BabaBooey]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: meltdown75
Gretzky and Jordan are overrated.

so is Tiger Woods.

Bunch of bums....

 

[RightIsWrong]

Originally posted by: meltdown75
You're a tool.

If that is based on your sig (assuming that you are an Edmonton fan and not old school Houston fan)....

You are a homer.

Face facts...Gretzky was not "The Great One" while in Broadway but a shell of his former self. While still better than most, he was clearly not able to live up to his standards.

The same is happening with Manning this season. One of the best QBs (statistically) of all time. Sure fire HoF career. 2007-08 NFL season....over-rated.

And for the record, I would take Roethlisberger and possibly Romo over Manning at this point in their respective careers. Their respective teams are winning because of their play as leaders and as QBs and they have a lot more upside than Mannings does now in his 10th season.

 

[buck]

I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS SEASON...NOT HIS CAREER!!!



Yes, we know, you are still a tool.

 

[slsmnaz]

Originally posted by: Queasy
Oh, and OP...you aren't even among the first to call Manning overrated. He has been called overrated since his college days when Tennessee couldn't win the big game while he was QB.

It's not a big game unless he loses. isgust; He was NOT the reason they lost when he was at UT.

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

He has enough time to throw for 290 yards, a TD, 0 INTs and it was the O-line's fault that they lost that playoff game?


I AM TALKING ABOUT THIS SEASON...NOT HIS CAREER!!!

Did you watch the game? His OL was terrible

And you can't really apply the over-rated label to a season without considering the rest of his career.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: meltdown75
You're a tool.

IfThe same is happening with Manning this season. One of the best QBs (statistically) of all time. Sure fire HoF career. 2007-08 NFL season....over-rated.

And for the record, I would take Roethlisberger and possibly Romo over Manning at this point in their respective careers. Their respective teams are winning because of their play as leaders and as QBs and they have a lot more upside than Mannings does now in his 10th season.

ok not only are you a tool you are a idiot.

Manning bearly lost to the pats (arguebly the best team in the NFL. possibly the strongest team in a 30 years) and payton had a bad game sunday.

he has 2 loses. not to mention they still should have won sunday's game.


to take Roethsleburger over Manning is idiotic. while he is good he is nowhere near the skill of Manning.

Romo has great potential but i would still pick manning over Romo. hell put manning in with the Dalles's recivers and o-line and you would be singing a diffrent tune.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: meltdown75
You're a tool.

If that is based on your sig (assuming that you are an Edmonton fan and not old school Houston fan)....

You are a homer.

Face facts...Gretzky was not "The Great One" while in Broadway but a shell of his former self. While still better than most, he was clearly not able to live up to his standards.

The same is happening with Manning this season. One of the best QBs (statistically) of all time. Sure fire HoF career. 2007-08 NFL season....over-rated.

And for the record, I would take Roethlisberger and possibly Romo over Manning at this point in their respective careers. Their respective teams are winning because of their play as leaders and as QBs and they have a lot more upside than Mannings does now in his 10th season.

lol
This guy is funny.

 

[buck]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong

Originally posted by: meltdown75
You're a tool.

IfThe same is happening with Manning this season. One of the best QBs (statistically) of all time. Sure fire HoF career. 2007-08 NFL season....over-rated.

And for the record, I would take Roethlisberger and possibly Romo over Manning at this point in their respective careers. Their respective teams are winning because of their play as leaders and as QBs and they have a lot more upside than Mannings does now in his 10th season.

ok not only are you a tool you are a idiot.

Manning bearly lost to the pats (arguebly the best team in the NFL. possibly the strongest team in a 30 years) and payton had a bad game sunday.

he has 2 loses. not to mention they still should have won sunday's game.


to take Roethsleburger over Manning is idiotic. while he is good he is nowhere near the skill of Manning.

Romo has great potential but i would still pick manning over Romo. hell put manning in with the Dalles's recivers and o-line and you would be singing a diffrent tune.

Its useless to try and explain this to the OP, he is clueless.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: RightIsWrong
And for the record, I would take Roethlisberger and possibly Romo over Manning at this point in their respective careers. Their respective teams are winning because of their play as leaders and as QBs and they have a lot more upside than Mannings does now in his 10th season.

As a Cowboys fan who has a man-crush on Tony Romo, I think you're insane. Even with Manning being a few years older than Romo, I would still take the current Manning over the current Romo, without hesitation.

 

[Kev]

It's because I finally managed to get him on my fantasy football team this year, since it was a bid league and I didn't have to take him in the first round. How could he not be just average?

 

[Kev]

LOL @ taking Worthlessburger over Manning. That's almost as dumb as the fucktards calling into WIP all day saying McNabb played a terrible game yesterday and should be traded.

 

[Deeko]

Originally posted by: Kev
LOL @ taking Worthlessburger over Manning. That's almost as dumb as the fucktards calling into WIP all day saying McNabb played a terrible game yesterday and should be traded.

I literally get angry when I listen to WIP.