Leopard attacks hunter

[taltamir]

Doesn't make using a gun any more justifiable. It just means they lack the ability to defeat it in combat, and they're getting paid by the government to be wusses. As for those the animal killed already -- I guess they should have learned how to defend themselves a little better.

That is just silly... humans can't LEARN to defend themselves against a man eating tiger without a gun.
You see, evolution gifted a tiger with claws, large teeth, speedy form, and hunting instincts. It gifted us with the brain to build a gun and shoot it dead.

Predation is a daily threat to people in africa, and I don't know about you but it looked like africa to me...

in fact, the clothes some of them wore reminded me of those I have seen before worn by rangers of conservations in kenya I think, whose job is:
1. Hunt man eaters.
2. Protect animals from human poachers. With whom they often get into firefights.
3. Educate locals about conservation and the protection of animals, especially elephants and gorillas.

But all that is ancillary. even if those were just sports hunters I wouldn't wish death upon them for hunting a non sentient animal.

 

[zerocool84]

That is just silly... humans can't LEARN to defend themselves against a man eating tiger without a gun.
You see, evolution gifted a tiger with claws, large teeth, speedy form, and hunting instincts. It gifted us with the brain to build a gun and shoot it dead.

Predation is a daily threat to people in africa, and I don't know about you but it looked like africa to me...

in fact, the clothes some of them wore reminded me of those I have seen before worn by rangers of conservations in kenya I think, whose job is:
1. Hunt man eaters.
2. Protect animals from human poachers. With whom they often get into firefights.
3. Educate locals about conservation and the protection of animals, especially elephants and gorillas.

But all that is ancillary. even if those were just sports hunters I wouldn't wish death upon them for hunting a non sentient animal.

Some people don't understand that without the ability to make tools, we as humans wouldn't have survived.

 

[cressida]

That is a beautiful animal.

 

[mrjminer]

Some people don't understand that without the ability to make tools, we as humans wouldn't have survived.

Yea, because humans were extinct the thousands of years before bows+arrows and guns were invented?

Get real. People survived before was because they used their intelligence to outwit animals, as well as used hunting parties to strategically take out more crafty/dangerous animals as a group. Sure, guns required intelligence to make, but there is little wit, strategy, or skill involved with aiming a gun at something and pulling a trigger.

Just like kids and their video games... why play if you're going to cheat?

 

[DangerAardvark]

I'm just imagining the worse clawing my cat ever gave me times a hundred. That must have hurt a fucking lot.

The clip is from a show called Hunting with the Pros. From the episode guide:

You won’t want to miss this week’s episode of “Hunting with the Pros”, airing December 15 on The Sportsman Channel. Host Kevin Gross along with sponsors Aaron Baker & Mike Baker from Cannon Safe have an exciting but dangerous trip to Zimbabwe when a leopard attacks. Due to the graphic nature viewer discretion is advised.

On this exciting show, your host, Kevin Gross, takes you “Hunting with the Pros” as he travels around the world in search of trophy big game. Kevin, who is a former Major League pitcher, has an incredible love for the outdoors and with a background in hunting, he brings you some exciting Boone and Crockett action.

Ahh yes, an incredible love for the outdoors... and shooting it in the face.

 

[taltamir]

Some people don't understand that without the ability to make tools, we as humans wouldn't have survived.

indeed, had you asked me when I was a juvenile I would have parroted the same chants, wishing death on the hunters.
But as I matured I used my mind, thought rationally about things, and rejected misguided misanthropic militant environmentalist thinking such as that.

You won’t want to miss this week’s episode of “Hunting with the Pros”, airing December 15 on The Sportsman Channel. Host Kevin Gross along with sponsors Aaron Baker & Mike Baker from Cannon Safe have an exciting but dangerous trip to Zimbabwe when a leopard attacks. Due to the graphic nature viewer discretion is advised.

On this exciting show, your host, Kevin Gross, takes you “Hunting with the Pros” as he travels around the world in search of trophy big game. Kevin, who is a former Major League pitcher, has an incredible love for the outdoors and with a background in hunting, he brings you some exciting Boone and Crockett action.

Since he is filming a show, he is creating evidence of his doing. Hunting tigers is illegal under normal circumstances. If he is not breaking the law and conveniently providing evidence of it at the same time, then the men in the short green uniforms who don't speak english are probably local rangers who are guiding him to a tiger that was marked for death (for, say, being a man eater?)

so the fact that it is a show (and not stupid poachers who film their crimes and then post it youtube in their stupidity) only provides extra credence and evidence to that theory, rather then refuting it.

 

[Amused]

Yea, because humans were extinct the thousands of years before bows+arrows and guns were invented?

Get real. People survived before was because they used their intelligence to outwit animals, as well as used hunting parties to strategically take out more crafty/dangerous animals as a group. Sure, guns required intelligence to make, but there is little wit, strategy, or skill involved with aiming a gun at something and pulling a trigger.

Just like kids and their video games... why play if you're going to cheat?

Modern humans NEVER existed without the ability to make tools. We were FAR different creatures when we started making basic hunting tools. Since then, our bodies became weaker as our minds became stronger and we EVOLVED into modern humans.

So just STFU already, okay?

 

[taltamir]

Also, some species of the homo genus did go extinct...
And our total lack of genetic diversity (contrary to what some think, different human races are extremely similar) has been shown (in comparison to that of other animals, and with a good bit of math) to be because at some point all living humans were reduced to about under 10,000 individual, maybe as low as 5000 individuals. Which is considered the minimum for long term survival (below that number inbreeding causes eventual sterility and death)

So humans were very close to extinction in the past. And while they didn't use a gun, they used thrown pointy sticks, fire, and whatever other tool was at their disposal (and not the animal's)...
Would you be happier if they started a forest fire instead of using a gun?

 

[zerocool84]

Yea, because humans were extinct the thousands of years before bows+arrows and guns were invented?

Get real. People survived before was because they used their intelligence to outwit animals, as well as used hunting parties to strategically take out more crafty/dangerous animals as a group. Sure, guns required intelligence to make, but there is little wit, strategy, or skill involved with aiming a gun at something and pulling a trigger.

Just like kids and their video games... why play if you're going to cheat?

I guess we never threw rocks at something or threw sticks at it. Obviously by what you're saying we could only kill someone when bows and arrows were invented.

 

[mrjminer]

Modern humans NEVER existed without the ability to make tools. We were FAR different creatures when we started making basic hunting tools. Since then, our bodies became weaker as our minds became stronger and we EVOLVED into modern humans.

So just STFU already, okay?

Did I say people shouldn't be able to make tools in order to hunt? No. As I said before, go make some knives out of rocks -- hell, go make some spears, too. Hunting requires physical prowess, tactical ability, and strategy. Guns require little to none of these traits required in hunting. Modern "hunters" aren't hunters, they're slaughterers.

I think some of you get the impression that I'm some sort of activist against hunting because I'm calling people who use guns to shoot animals weak. Sorry, but that simply isn't the case. I eat animals all the time, and have no problems whatsoever with killing them. However, I do have a problem with people calling themselves "hunters" when they are far from anything resembling a real hunter.

 

[taltamir]

Did I say people shouldn't be able to make tools in order to hunt? No. As I said before, go make some knives out of rocks -- hell, go make some spears, too. Hunting requires physical prowess, tactical ability, and strategy.

Or a good forest fire.

 

[Amused]

Did I say people shouldn't be able to make tools in order to hunt? No. As I said before, go make some knives out of rocks -- hell, go make some spears, too. Hunting requires physical prowess, tactical ability, and strategy. Guns require little to none of these traits required in hunting. Modern "hunters" aren't hunters, they're slaughterers.

I think some of you get the impression that I'm some sort of activist against hunting because I'm calling people who use guns to shoot animals weak. Sorry, but that simply isn't the case. I eat animals all the time, and have no problems whatsoever with killing them. However, I do have a problem with people calling themselves "hunters" when they are far from anything resembling a real hunter.

Shows how little you know about hunting.

I'll bet you I could drop you in a forest with a gun in your hand and you'd fucking starve to death.

We evolved a brain so we could USE it. Not so we could handicap ourselves to ease your misplaced conscience.

 

[Zebo]

Damn I would have liked to bag that. x on Bucket list. Bob cats and mountain lions I've shot just don't come at you - so passe.

 

[mrjminer]

Shows how little you know about hunting.

I'll bet you I could drop you in a forest with a gun in your hand and you'd fucking starve to death.

We evolved a brain so we could USE it. Not so we could handicap ourselves to ease your misplaced conscience.

Reading comprehension FTW? I'm pretty sure that I know quite a deal about hunting, and that I also know quite a deal about what people think is hunting. You merely want to argue that using a gun is hunting, and that simply is not the case. The problem is that self-righteous nimrods somehow came to believe that killing something automatically gives them the title of "hunter."

Perhaps you should look up what, historically, has entailed becoming a hunter: a lifetime of training. Now, any asshole off the street can pick up a gun, shoot something, and say "MAN I'M ONE BADASS HUNTER LOOK AT ME."

I don't have a misplaced conscience, you have misplaced terminology. At least make an attempt to argue against the point I'm making instead of constantly reverting to some created point you somehow got the impression I was making, despite my clearly stating that I wasn't against eating animals, killing animals, or -- gasp! -- hunting.

 

[Amused]

Reading comprehension FTW? I'm pretty sure that I know quite a deal about hunting, and that I also know quite a deal about what people think is hunting. You merely want to argue that using a gun is hunting, and that simply is not the case. The problem is that self-righteous nimrods somehow came to believe that killing something automatically gives them the title of "hunter."

Perhaps you should look up what, historically, has entailed becoming a hunter: a lifetime of training. Now, any asshole off the street can pick up a gun, shoot something, and say "MAN I'M ONE BADASS HUNTER LOOK AT ME."

I don't have a misplaced conscience, you have misplaced terminology.

You know shit about hunting if you think it's that easy. Exactly shit.

 

[0roo0roo]

Hunting is good but this was probably some lame canned hunt

depends, sometimes those make it sustainable

its the poachers on wild ones that are the issue.

 

[bignateyk]

Not gonna lie, I started laughing uncontrollably when he started screaming like a little girl after the leopard started to maul him. :awe:

 

[mrjminer]

You know shit about hunting if you think it's that easy. Exactly shit.

No, I know hunting isn't easy. However, pointing a gun at something and shooting it is. I could give a five year-old a gun, he could point it at something, and he could kill the hell out of it. I guess that makes five year-olds damn good hunters, eh?

 

[taltamir]

Did I say people shouldn't be able to make tools in order to hunt? No. As I said before, go make some knives out of rocks -- hell, go make some spears, too. Hunting requires physical prowess, tactical ability, and strategy. Guns require little to none of these traits required in hunting. Modern "hunters" aren't hunters, they're slaughterers.

I think some of you get the impression that I'm some sort of activist against hunting because I'm calling people who use guns to shoot animals weak. Sorry, but that simply isn't the case. I eat animals all the time, and have no problems whatsoever with killing them. However, I do have a problem with people calling themselves "hunters" when they are far from anything resembling a real hunter.

well, if you mean that it is not terribly IMPRESSIVE to slay animals for sport with a gun, then you do have a point. unless you built your own gun from scratch, I am not impressed by sport hunting.

But there are three types of hunters:
1. rangers who kill animals for being diseased, man eaters, or other conservation issues - for them it is a job, it needs to be done with effective tools, they are not trying to impress anyone. Might as well demand that the garbage collectors pick it up with their hands instead of using the machine.

2. those who hunt for food / survival - not trying to impress anyone, only kill the animal with the most ease and in the safest manner. And again, not trying to impress anyone.

3. those who hunt for sport - they are trying to impress. Note that while I am not impressed, I am aware that they are in danger, and they do need tactics and skill. The video shows a tiger whom they have already put a bullet through. You need tactics, tracking skill, stealth skill, and accuracy to hunt a large predator without getting killed, even if you have a gun. It is not very impressive to me because they are putting their lives in danger for bragging rights; not because I think the gun eliminates all aspect of danger. (ok, maybe I am a little impressed, but I disapproved)

And btw, I am unimpressed with people's dangerous stunts all the time, without wishing death on them. Just recently I was unimpressed with a teen who tried sailing around the globe alone due to it being a dangerous stunt done for publicity. (ok, maybe I was a little impressed there, but I disapproved)

 

[mrjminer]

well, if you mean that it is not terribly IMPRESSIVE to slay animals for sport with a gun, then you do have a point. unless you built your own gun from scratch, I am not impressed by sport hunting.

But there are three types of hunters:
1. rangers who kill animals for being diseased, man eaters, or other conservation issues - for them it is a job, it needs to be done with effective tools, they are not trying to impress anyone. Might as well demand that the garbage collectors pick it up with their hands instead of using the machine.

2. those who hunt for food / survival - not trying to impress anyone, only kill the animal with the most ease and in the safest manner. And again, not trying to impress anyone.

3. those who hunt for sport - they are trying to impress. Note that while I am not impressed, I am aware that they are in danger, and they do need tactics and skill. The video shows a tiger whom they have already put a bullet through. You need tactics, tracking skill, stealth skill, and accuracy to hunt a large predator without getting killed, even if you have a gun. It is not very impressive to me because they are putting their lives in danger for bragging rights; not because I think the gun eliminates all aspect of danger. (ok, maybe I am a little impressed, but I disapproved)

And btw, I am unimpressed with people's dangerous stunts all the time, without wishing death on them. Just recently I was unimpressed with a teen who tried sailing around the globe alone due to it being a dangerous stunt done for publicity. (ok, maybe I was a little impressed there, but I disapproved)

This is more like it. I'm not against ANY of these things, and you have an especially good scenario with #1, but I still don't believe the people doing any of them are any more hunters than my example 5-year-old Unless, of course, they also have the ability to take an animal out in close-quarters or with very primitive weapons

I'd call #1: Animal Elimination Strike Force Team
I'd call #2: Food Security Task Force
I'd call #3: Real "Sports" Outcasts (Or.. P to the U to the double S to the I to the E to the S)

 

[lupi]

wtf is this log in to see the video crap.

 

[taltamir]

wtf is this log in to see the video crap.

verify your age. It depicts a tiger biting a human and his bleeding wounds.

 

[SlitheryDee]

I never understood trophy hunting. I hunt when I'm hungry for wild meat. Mostly I don't hunt because I know a few rather prolific hunters who always end up with a surplus of meat to give to me.

Fuck hunting shit that can kill your ass just for the machismo of the act and fuck hunting shit for it's horns. You can't eat machismo or horns.

 

[TridenT]

I never understood trophy hunting. I hunt when I'm hungry for wild meat. Mostly I don't hunt because I know a few rather prolific hunters who always end up with a surplus of meat to give to me.

Fuck hunting shit that can kill your ass just for the machismo of the act and fuck hunting shit for it's horns. You can't eat machismo or horns.

But u don't understund cultare.

 

[0roo0roo]

it does make you wonder why such expeditions don't have standard that you should be equipped with at least a machette "just in case'. gives you half a chance if the cat lunges at you.