Its rarely i see a new motherboard not including parralel,serial,and midi ports on.why do we still make a effort to keep this legacy support every device i use is firewire or usb connectivity capable and apple seems to be the only company moving foward.
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Join the fight brother!
I'm sure most manufacturers are tired of getting my emails by now, all reminding them that they are a bit late in following the latest PC Spec
I'm sure most manufacturers are tired of getting my emails by now, all reminding them that they are a bit late in following the latest PC Spec
Abit MAX series of motherboards is taking a step in that direction with the effectively legacy free AT7 board.
Since people still use parallel, serial and midi ports, what would be the reason for getting rid of this support.... Not all computer users are as rich as Apple users, being able too throw away their computers and all their parphirals devices in the name of "moving forward".
<< Its rarely i see a new motherboard not including parralel,serial,and midi ports on.why do we still make a effort to keep this legacy support every device i use is firewire or usb connectivity capable and apple seems to be the only company moving foward. >>
<< Its rarely i see a new motherboard not including parralel,serial,and midi ports on.why do we still make a effort to keep this legacy support every device i use is firewire or usb connectivity capable and apple seems to be the only company moving foward. >>
No one has to throw away anything Keep old systems for legacy peripherals and devices.
The rest of us want to drop the legacy and move to a more modular system. 6-10 USB and 2-4 Firewire on my I/O plate? Oh yes!
<< Since people still use parallel, serial and midi ports, what would be the reason for getting rid of this support.... Not all computer users are as rich as Apple users, being able too throw away their computers and all their parphirals devices in the name of "moving forward".
<< Its rarely i see a new motherboard not including parralel,serial,and midi ports on.why do we still make a effort to keep this legacy support every device i use is firewire or usb connectivity capable and apple seems to be the only company moving foward. >>
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Keep old systems for legacy peripherals and devices.The rest of us want to drop the legacy and move to a more modular system. 6-10 USB and 2-4 Firewire on my I/O plate? Oh yes!
<< Since people still use parallel, serial and midi ports, what would be the reason for getting rid of this support.... Not all computer users are as rich as Apple users, being able too throw away their computers and all their parphirals devices in the name of "moving forward".
<< Its rarely i see a new motherboard not including parralel,serial,and midi ports on.why do we still make a effort to keep this legacy support every device i use is firewire or usb connectivity capable and apple seems to be the only company moving foward. >>
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Yes, I care about your feelings Noth Hehehehehehehe
If you want to stay in the dark ages: http://www.cdw.com - Serial port add-ins.
HeheheheheheheIf you want to stay in the dark ages: http://www.cdw.com - Serial port add-ins.
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Any amount of money is bad for something I get for free now, and if it's an add-in card most likely the BIOS won't be able to redirect the console to it like my TigerMP board currently can.
What would you rather use that space for anyway, it's not like they're huge.
What would you rather use that space for anyway, it's not like they're huge.
I think that they're just people who swollowed the Microsoft/Apple zero legacy bait hook line and sinker... Microsoft and Apple come out acting like computers would run 1000x faster if people got rid of serial ports... How dumb is that... There's nothing wrong with keeping old technology around for compatibilities sake... I mean really, worst comes to worst you disable what you don't use in BIOS and there you go, no more unneccesary legacy ports...
<< Any amount of money is bad for something I get for free now, and if it's an add-in card most likely the BIOS won't be able to redirect the console to it like my TigerMP board currently can.
What would you rather use that space for anyway, it's not like they're huge. >>
<< Any amount of money is bad for something I get for free now, and if it's an add-in card most likely the BIOS won't be able to redirect the console to it like my TigerMP board currently can.
What would you rather use that space for anyway, it's not like they're huge. >>
Speed? Who said that?
I want more modular systems! What happens when I have a USB keyboard, mouse and printers and a firewire scanner? All the proprietary ports are wasted, I can't use them for anything else.
6-10 USB and 2-4 Firewire ports on my I/O plate would make my day Would make everyone's day, just plug in and go. No cascading the printer off your scanner or having to deal with the limitations of multiple controllers off the gameport.
If I could, I'd remove the offending ports from the motherboards in every system I sold and mail them back to the manufacturer mob style.
I want more modular systems! What happens when I have a USB keyboard, mouse and printers and a firewire scanner? All the proprietary ports are wasted, I can't use them for anything else.
6-10 USB and 2-4 Firewire ports on my I/O plate would make my day
Would make everyone's day, just plug in and go. No cascading the printer off your scanner or having to deal with the limitations of multiple controllers off the gameport.If I could, I'd remove the offending ports from the motherboards in every system I sold and mail them back to the manufacturer mob style.
How are PS/2 - Serial and parallel prorts less modular than USB/Firewire? That's something I don't really understand...
Carlo
<< Speed? Who said that?
I want more modular systems! What happens when I have a USB keyboard, mouse and printers and a firewire scanner? All the proprietary ports are wasted, I can't use them for anything else.
6-10 USB and 2-4 Firewire ports on my I/O plate would make my day Would make everyone's day, just plug in and go. No cascading the printer off your scanner or having to deal with the limitations of multiple controllers off the gameport.
If I could, I'd remove the offending ports from the motherboards in every system I sold and mail them back to the manufacturer mob style. >>
Carlo
<< Speed? Who said that?
I want more modular systems! What happens when I have a USB keyboard, mouse and printers and a firewire scanner? All the proprietary ports are wasted, I can't use them for anything else.
6-10 USB and 2-4 Firewire ports on my I/O plate would make my day
Would make everyone's day, just plug in and go. No cascading the printer off your scanner or having to deal with the limitations of multiple controllers off the gameport.If I could, I'd remove the offending ports from the motherboards in every system I sold and mail them back to the manufacturer mob style. >>
Nothinman
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How are serial and parallel ports proprietary?
6-10 USB and 2-4 Firewire ports on my I/O plate would make my day
That's what USB hubs are for.
Would make everyone's day, just plug in and go.
For my only USB device I have a PS/2 adapter, it wouldn't make my day.
6-10 USB and 2-4 Firewire ports on my I/O plate would make my day
That's what USB hubs are for.
Would make everyone's day, just plug in and go.
For my only USB device I have a PS/2 adapter, it wouldn't make my day.
I think I'm going to have to stand by my beleif that they swollowed the whole zero legacy thing hook line and sinker... Just because a peice of technology is old doesn't mean it's bad... This whole zero Legacy thing is so bad we even had some one asking if Itanic supported "old legacy IRQ's"! Fortunetly that thread didn't last quite so long!
<< How are serial and parallel ports proprietary?
6-10 USB and 2-4 Firewire ports on my I/O plate would make my day
That's what USB hubs are for.
Would make everyone's day, just plug in and go.
For my only USB device I have a PS/2 adapter, it wouldn't make my day. >>
<< How are serial and parallel ports proprietary?
6-10 USB and 2-4 Firewire ports on my I/O plate would make my day
That's what USB hubs are for.
Would make everyone's day, just plug in and go.
For my only USB device I have a PS/2 adapter, it wouldn't make my day. >>
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This whole zero Legacy thing is so bad we even had some one asking if Itanic supported "old legacy IRQ's"! Fortunetly that thread didn't last quite so long!
Well this is possible, I mean we have replacements for almost everything serial, paralell,etc ports do. But I'd like to hear what they'd like to replace IRQs with, that would be interesting.
Well this is possible, I mean we have replacements for almost everything serial, paralell,etc ports do. But I'd like to hear what they'd like to replace IRQs with, that would be interesting.
<< How are PS/2 - Serial and parallel prorts less modular than USB/Firewire? That's something I don't really understand... >>
Eh? Don't tell me you're serious?
They are all wasted ports if you don't use them.
If I don't use a PS/2 Kyeboard or mouse, what good are the PS/2 ports now?
Not to mention the benefits to having certain devices in USB or Firewire form.
<< I think I'm going to have to stand by my beleif that they swollowed the whole zero legacy thing hook line and sinker... Just because a peice of technology is old doesn't mean it's bad... This whole zero Legacy thing is so bad we even had some one asking if Itanic supported "old legacy IRQ's"! Fortunetly that thread didn't last quite so long! >>
Hmmm... I wonder who owns deathoflegacy.com?
http://www.netsol.com/cgi-bin/whois...cy.com&SearchType=do&STRING2.x=25&STRING2.y=5
It wouldn't be me, would it?
<< I still use my parallel and serial ports. ( parallel for printer, serial for IR adapter )
Of course, I am wierd
>>You crazy nut
I personally like the idea of having nothing but USB/Firewire/etc type ports... but I still use the old serial/parallel/PS/2 ports. As long as we still have a floppy controller on the mobo, we still have an ISA bus, and therefore might as well keep the "legacy" ports.
My main problem with lots of "legacy-free" ports on the back of my machine is that means there will be lots of cables. I would rather there be fewer ports on the board, but packaged with the mobo a hub or two. That way I can put the hub close to all my devices, and keep the cables down. The only time you need one device per cable is when you have bandwidth hungry devices... and I still think those are better left on the ATA bus. The exception to this are portable burners, which are pretty slick. Other than that, pretty much everything else could be on one port, especially if it's USB 2.0.
My solution to all of this is to have a machine that I have all of those "legacy" ports on. 5.25" floppy, serialx4, parallelx2, IrDA, etc. This machine is my server, and gets all the hand-me-downs from my gaming machine. The system works quite well, and once stuff is upgraded in this older machine, it isn't worth much anyway.
So, let's go "legacy-free", but be smart about it. 50 USB ports doesn't help things when the grand majority of us only have 5(?) USB devices or so, and probably a hub as well.
My main problem with lots of "legacy-free" ports on the back of my machine is that means there will be lots of cables. I would rather there be fewer ports on the board, but packaged with the mobo a hub or two. That way I can put the hub close to all my devices, and keep the cables down. The only time you need one device per cable is when you have bandwidth hungry devices... and I still think those are better left on the ATA bus. The exception to this are portable burners, which are pretty slick. Other than that, pretty much everything else could be on one port, especially if it's USB 2.0.
My solution to all of this is to have a machine that I have all of those "legacy" ports on. 5.25" floppy, serialx4, parallelx2, IrDA, etc. This machine is my server, and gets all the hand-me-downs from my gaming machine. The system works quite well, and once stuff is upgraded in this older machine, it isn't worth much anyway.
So, let's go "legacy-free", but be smart about it. 50 USB ports doesn't help things when the grand majority of us only have 5(?) USB devices or so, and probably a hub as well.
now I ask u one thing :
how will u make yerself an infrared reciever on a USB port ?
or how will u attach an LCD to yer case using a USB port
now u might say manfacturers can do that, but some ppls like to do things themselves, and usb is not the most optimal way of connecting something u make yourself.
how will u make yerself an infrared reciever on a USB port ?
or how will u attach an LCD to yer case using a USB port
now u might say manfacturers can do that, but some ppls like to do things themselves, and usb is not the most optimal way of connecting something u make yourself.
Most people are missing the point here. It's all about money. Getting rid of legacy devices, gets rid of chips on the motherboard. All you need is a USB and a firewire chip and your ready to roll. It should bring the cost of motherboards down.
The truth is if we didn't have firewire and usb fighting each other, we could use one standard I/O port. That would really simplify things.
EDIT: IR and LCD connection shouldn't be too bad. It's just that we understand the serial interface fully and more people hack stuff onto it. It shouldn't be anymore difficult to use USB. It's just a matter of people developing the interface circuits.
The truth is if we didn't have firewire and usb fighting each other, we could use one standard I/O port. That would really simplify things.
EDIT: IR and LCD connection shouldn't be too bad. It's just that we understand the serial interface fully and more people hack stuff onto it. It shouldn't be anymore difficult to use USB. It's just a matter of people developing the interface circuits.
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