Leftists are the enemy of freedom!

[Jhhnn]

Unless you have a written contract-like a union contract- employment in the USA is employment at will. Your employer can fire AT ANY TIME for any or even no reason whatsoever. Unless your situation fits it some rather narrowly defined classes (like a firing based on racial or religious reasons) your only remedy is unemployment compensation.

If you were a true conservative you wouldn't collect unemployment compensation because that is a progressive program which impairs the employer's rights.

Your first amendment rights protect you against governmental action, not action by your employer.

Your example is pure hog wash-it has nothing to do with fascism, liberalism or conservatism or your constitutional rights of any sort. It's just something you think is wrong, therefore it must be authoritarianism imposed by the evil liberals.

The only other caveat to at will employment is that employers have to follow their own rules. That's a soshulist plot all by itself...

 

[SlowSpyder]

Unless you have a written contract-like a union contract- employment in the USA is employment at will. Your employer can fire AT ANY TIME for any or even no reason whatsoever. Unless your situation fits it some rather narrowly defined classes (like a firing based on racial or religious reasons) your only remedy is unemployment compensation.

If you were a true conservative you wouldn't collect unemployment compensation because that is a progressive program which impairs the employer's rights.

Your first amendment rights protect you against governmental action, not action by your employer.

Your example is pure hog wash-it has nothing to do with fascism, liberalism or conservatism or your constitutional rights of any sort. It's just something you think is wrong, therefore it must be authoritarianism imposed by the evil liberals.

The government potentially fining you for saying he to someone that wants to pretend he is a she is anti-constitutional. It is the same thing I used to have a problem with from the right... I felt the far right christians wanted to use law to enforce their version of morality, to make their god happy. I was very against it. Today evangelical leftists are doing the same, and I'm very much against it. An employee firing someone is one thing (we agree the NFL can enforce standing for the flag then, right?), fining them or even potentially jail time is unacceptable overreach from the left.

Among the unlawful actions are “willfully and repeatedly” failing to use a transgender person’s “preferred name or pronouns” after he or she is “clearly informed of the preferred name or pronouns.”

The law states that if provisions are violated, the violator could be punished by a fine “not to exceed one thousand dollars” or “by imprisonment in the county jail for a period not to exceed one year,” or both.

Wiener's office noted that violations for residential care facilities under existing law rarely resulted in criminal charges, especially for minor violations. Criminal penalties are meant more for violations that expose a patient to risk of death or serious harm, his office said.

So if a guy puts on makeup and a dress and insists I call him a her, under the circumstances in listed out in the link, if I don't do that I could have government action taken against me. That isn't right.

 

[Josephus312]

Ever think about anger management?

Ever think about perhaps not sucking Putins cock? Everyone who is sane hates Putin, Erdogan and Trump out of general humanitarian principles.

If you don't, then you're fucked in the head to a degree where you probably cannot be fixed.

These are not just another set of leaders, these are another set of fascists who have transformed their respective nations to allow for fascism.

Let me give you an example from a former "libertarian" over at bodybuilding.com (now known as StormFront 2.0)

"Theoretically speaking once we get super majorities in Congress and control the Supreme Court and Executive branch then we can ban them from our country including their NGO's and propaganda outlets. It can be done based on any one or more of very serious charges against the party as a whole.

I'm only speaking hypothetically at this point but if the Lunatic outbreak gets much worse, meaning much more dangerous/deadly and much more a national security threat and existential threat to the country, along with the support of that Lunatic outbreak among their party's politicians and NGO's and propaganda outlets, then it could become a reality. We aren't there yet however.

It's time for the Democratic Party to calm itself down and seek treatment for its Lunatic Disease."

This is the general idea amongst Trump supporters, abolish democracy and have a fascist rule.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

There are some things I've seen people do on the left that I disapprove of. On the other hand the Right has embraced a moral imperative of being evil. It wasn't always so, but that's the result.

Now someone might see fit to go after "leftists" like me, that is anyone who isn't a Trumpster. All I can say is don't miss on your first attempt because chances are I won't.

 

[Jhhnn]

The government potentially fining you for saying he to someone that wants to pretend he is a she is anti-constitutional. It is the same thing I used to have a problem with from the right... I felt the far right christians wanted to use law to enforce their version of morality, to make their god happy. I was very against it. Today evangelical leftists are doing the same, and I'm very much against it. An employee firing someone is one thing (we agree the NFL can enforce standing for the flag then, right?), fining them or even potentially jail time is unacceptable overreach from the left.



So if a guy puts on makeup and a dress and insists I call him a her, under the circumstances in listed out in the link, if I don't do that I could have government action taken against me. That isn't right.

The issue is transgenderism, not transvestism.

 

[Indus]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/a...chols-why-im-leaving-republican-party/572419/

The Republicans, have now eclipsed the Democrats as a threat to the rule of law and to the constitutional norms of American society. They have become all about winning. Winning means not losing, and so instead of acting like a co-equal branch of government responsible for advice and consent, congressional Republicans now act like a parliamentary party facing the constant threat of a vote of no confidence.

That it is necessary to place limitations, including self-limitations, on the exercise of power is—or was—a core belief among conservatives. No longer. Raw power, wielded so deftly by Senator Mitch McConnell, is exercised for its own sake, and by that I mean for the sake of fleecing gullible voters on hot-button social issues so that Republicans can stay in power. Of course, the institutional GOP will say that it countenances all of Trump’s many sins, and its own straying from principle, for good reason (including, of course, the holy grail of ending legal abortion).

Politics is about the exercise of power. But the new Trumpist GOP is not exercising power in the pursuit of anything resembling principles, and certainly not for conservative or Republican principles.

Free trade? Republicans are suddenly in love with tariffs, and now sound like bad imitations of early-1980s protectionist Democrats. A robust foreign policy? Not only have Republicans abandoned their claim to being the national-security party, they have managed to convince the party faithful that Russia—an avowed enemy that directly attacked our political institutions—is less of a threat than their neighbors who might be voting for Democrats. Respect for law enforcement? The GOP is backing Trump in attacks on the FBI and the entire intelligence community as Special Counsel Robert Mueller closes in on the web of lies, financial arrangements, and Russian entanglements known collectively as the Trump campaign.

And most important, on the rule of law, congressional Republicans have utterly collapsed. They have sold their souls, purely at Trump’s behest, living in fear of the dreaded primary challenges that would take them away from the Forbidden City and send them back home to the provinces. Yes, an anti-constitutional senator like Hirono is unnerving, but she’s a piker next to her Republican colleagues, who have completely reversed themselves on everything from the limits of executive power to the independence of the judiciary, all to serve their leader in a way that would make the most devoted cult follower of Kim Jong Un blush.

Maybe it’s me. I’m not a Republican anymore, but am I still a conservative? Limited government: check. Strong national defense: check. Respect for tradition and deep distrust of sudden, dramatic change: check. Belief that people spend their money more wisely than government? That America is an exceptional nation with a global mission? That we are, in fact, a shining city on a hill and an example to others? Check, check, check.

But I can’t deny that I’ve strayed from the party. I believe abortion should remain legal. I am against the death penalty in all its forms outside of killing in war. I don’t think what’s good for massive corporations is always good for America. In foreign affairs, I am an institutionalist, a supporter of working through international bodies and agreements. I think that our defense budget is too big, too centered on expensive toys, and that we are still too entranced by nuclear weapons.

I believe in the importance of diversity and toleration. I would like a shorter tax code. I would also like people to exhibit some public decorum and keep their shoes on in public.

Does this make me a liberal? No. I do not believe that human nature is malleable clay to be reshaped by wise government policy. Many of my views, which flow from that basic conservative idea, are not welcome in a Democratic tribe in the grip of the madness of identity politics.

But whatever my concerns about liberals, the true authoritarian muscle is now being flexed by the GOP, in a kind of buzzy, steroidal McCarthyism that lacks even anti-communism as a central organizing principle. The Republican Party, which controls all three branches of government and yet is addicted to whining about its own victimhood, is now the party of situational ethics and moral relativism in the name of winning at all costs.

So I’m out. The Trumpers and the hucksters and the consultants and the hangers-on, like a colony of bees that exist only to sting and die, have swarmed together in a dangerous but suicidal cloud, and when that mindless hive finally extinguishes itself in a blaze of venom, there will be nothing left.

I’m a divorced man who is remarried. But love, in some ways, is easier than politics. I spent nearly 40 years as a Republican, a relationship that began when I joined a revitalized GOP that saw itself not as a victim but as the vehicle for lifting America out of the wreckage of the 1970s, defeating the Soviet Union, and extending human freedom at home and abroad. I stayed during the turbulence of the Tea Party tomfoolery. I moved out briefly during the abusive 2012 primaries. But now I’m filing for divorce, and I am taking nothing with me when I go.

 

[SlowSpyder]

There are some things I've seen people do on the left that I disapprove of. On the other hand the Right has embraced a moral imperative of being evil. It wasn't always so, but that's the result.

Now someone might see fit to go after "leftists" like me, that is anyone who isn't a Trumpster. All I can say is don't miss on your first attempt because chances are I won't.

I think the right lost its way and was the problem for some years, probably to and through GWB's years. But things have changed. Today the left is the totalitarian evangelical morality into law over stepping side. A lot of the honorable things they stand for have been achieved, and rightfully so. But now they just keep on pushing left of common sense.

 

[Indus]

A lot of the honorable things they stand for have been achieved, and rightfully so. But now they just keep on pushing left of common sense.

Medicare for all citizens?

Guaranteed job for a citizen with a living wage?

Better education for all so we have educated citizens and then we don't need to allow H1B's to fill skilled positions?


These are left of common sense REALLY?

Seems to me, you've lost your senses, not that you'll listen to a liberal like me!

 

[Greenman]

Ever think about perhaps not sucking Putins cock? Everyone who is sane hates Putin, Erdogan and Trump out of general humanitarian principles.

If you don't, then you're fucked in the head to a degree where you probably cannot be fixed.

These are not just another set of leaders, these are another set of fascists who have transformed their respective nations to allow for fascism.

Let me give you an example from a former "libertarian" over at bodybuilding.com (now known as StormFront 2.0)

"Theoretically speaking once we get super majorities in Congress and control the Supreme Court and Executive branch then we can ban them from our country including their NGO's and propaganda outlets. It can be done based on any one or more of very serious charges against the party as a whole.

I'm only speaking hypothetically at this point but if the Lunatic outbreak gets much worse, meaning much more dangerous/deadly and much more a national security threat and existential threat to the country, along with the support of that Lunatic outbreak among their party's politicians and NGO's and propaganda outlets, then it could become a reality. We aren't there yet however.

It's time for the Democratic Party to calm itself down and seek treatment for its Lunatic Disease."

This is the general idea amongst Trump supporters, abolish democracy and have a fascist rule.

I won't bother responding to all of the personal insults, but I will repeat what I already said, consider professional help. Living day in day out with that kind of rage and hate isn't healthy, and venting against a faceless person on the internet is about as impotent as you can get.
I'll say one more thing that I seem to be repeating a lot these days; the republic will stand, our nation isn't foundering. Walmarts won't be turned into detention centers, women and minority's will still be allowed to vote, whatever place that you've found on the web that's planing the uprising won't get anywhere.
Being outraged isn't going to change anything, it isn't going to help in any way, it's not going to change a single mind.

 

[Moonbeam]

My descendants came over on the Mayflower. My father and uncles were WWII vets. I'm a former Eagle Scout have done enormous amounts of pro bono and unpaid public service throughout my life. I've also proudly been what OP would consider to be a leftist.

Get off my lawn and go back to whatever rock your predecessors crawled out from under.

Nice, Thank you and congratulations. I bet you can actually look at yourself in the mirror. If it's any comfort, your lawn should be very green in the spring if he doesn't.

 

[Vic]

The left, as a whole, as accepted radicalism as their mainstream. Free schooling, free healthcare, they argue against border security when we clearly need it, abolish ICE, restrict constitutional rights, throw any sort of due process out the window if it furthers their political agenda, institutionalize racism against white males, measure the past by contemporary standards, riot when a Democratic process doesn't go their way, push for LGBT rights while asking for anti-LGBT muslims to pour into our country, push their version of morality into law, create a victimhood mentality to minorities, etc. etc. They have become a caricature of themselves.

The worst form of authoritarianism IMO is forcing people to be what you believe they should be, just so you can punish them for it.

 

[jackstar7]

First of all under "leftists" I consider liberals, progressives, collectivists, socialists, etc...

You're the victim here. Got it.

 

[zerocool84]

The left, as a whole, as accepted radicalism as their mainstream. Free schooling, free healthcare, they argue against border security when we clearly need it, abolish ICE, restrict constitutional rights, throw any sort of due process out the window if it furthers their political agenda, institutionalize racism against white males, measure the past by contemporary standards, riot when a Democratic process doesn't go their way, push for LGBT rights while asking for anti-LGBT muslims to pour into our country, push their version of morality into law, create a victimhood mentality to minorities, etc. etc. They have become a caricature of themselves.

Free schooling? Welp that socialist public school system better get shutdown quick. We don't want to raise any more socialists.

 

[JSt0rm]

next step will be declaring democrats enemies of the state.

 

[ivwshane]

next step will be declaring democrats enemies of the state.

You haven't heard? It was the Democrats that colluded with the Russians.

 

[JSt0rm]

You haven't heard? It was the Democrats that colluded with the Russians.

we have always been at war with the democrats.

 

[ImpulsE69]

Yea, the extremist in me wants people to be healthy and educated, I'm rotten to the core.

You say that like Trump and his cronies agree with you. They do not. (or was that out of context?)

There is no doubt that the extremes on both sides are insane.

 

[cytg111]

First of all under "leftists" I consider liberals, progressives, collectivists, socialists, etc...

Over the past decade liberals have turned into fascist, where you label ALL who don't think as you as "sexist, racist, bigots" and NEVER engage in any actual debate and then try and shut down anyone who opposes your authoritarian ideology by saying they shouldn't have a platform or be allowed to speak because YOU labeled them as "racist, sexist and bigots".

If you are a black conservative you are labeled a ************, a betrayer, a whitey, etc... If you are a trans conservative you are shamed and threatened and assaulted, while calling other people bigots and transphobes. If you are a black lesbian woman you are labeled as stupid and as controlled to be able to think on their own.

So it ultimately isn't about race, ethnicity, color, sex, gender, religion, etc... its about whether you are leftist or not. If you are NOT a leftist AND BLACK, HOMOSEXUAL, LATIN, FEMALE, TRANS, MUSLIM, JEWISH, then you are evil "racist, sexist, bigot" and these days even "rapist". Doesn't matter if you are Jewish, you are still an evil Nazi if you are not a leftist. Not even libertarians or independents are safe from these idiotic, retarded, brainless and lazy attacks.

This is the modern left these days! This is why the LEFT is the biggest threat to freedom and liberty! I'm a libertarian and I'm from Eastern Europe, but I don't look at conservatives in the USA or generally in the West and see them as a threat to freedom, something that even just 30 years ago was a danger, the right was far more authoritarian and wanting to restrict their opposition, but in less than 30 years the left has become the biggest danger to freedom that we've ever had!

If the left continue on this path and moderate liberals, old school liberals, classical liberals don't take back the reigns from these extremists, we would be living in 1984 style tyranny by the left or the alternative is a massive and extremely bloody civil war with tens of millions of dead!

Are you fucking high?

 

[ch33zw1z]

You say that like Trump and his cronies agree with you. They do not. (or was that out of context?)

There is no doubt that the extremes on both sides are insane.

Trump certainly promised healthcare for all, affordable, competitive, high quality. I won't hold my breath.

 

[Viper1j]

Yea, but

Bitch has more chins than Chinatown..

Why do mostly all the Trumpanzees look like potato chips and Twinkies are two their major food groups?

Decades of conditioning, passed from parent to child.

In other words...

Piss in the gene pool.

 

[soundforbjt]

Bitch has more chins than Chinatown..

Why do mostly all the Trumpanzees look like potato chips and Twinkies are two their major food groups?

Doesn't this belong in the Fast food thread? as a consequence/warning.

 

[Guru]

Glad to see the insane extremist collectivist Borg eating their own and jump starting the until now brainless Borg brains again. We see this in this thread, more and more "leftist" waking up from their coma and realizing the retards and Borg filth amids their ranks who have taken over!

Go wake up more people, wake up your friends to the crazed, extremist, moronic, Borg left and LEAVE and join libertarians, classical liberals, conservatives, independants, whoever you like, at this point even Green's are 20x better!

 

[jackstar7]

Glad to see the insane extremist collectivist Borg eating their own and jump starting the until now brainless Borg brains again. We see this in this thread, more and more "leftist" waking up from their coma and realizing the retards and Borg filth amids their ranks who have taken over!

Go wake up more people, wake up your friends to the crazed, extremist, moronic, Borg left and LEAVE and join libertarians, classical liberals, conservatives, independants, whoever you like, at this point even Green's are 20x better!

You're highly enlightened.

 

[soundforbjt]

Glad to see the insane extremist collectivist Borg eating their own and jump starting the until now brainless Borg brains again. We see this in this thread, more and more "leftist" waking up from their coma and realizing the retards and Borg filth amids their ranks who have taken over!

Go wake up more people, wake up your friends to the crazed, extremist, moronic, Borg left and LEAVE and join libertarians, classical liberals, conservatives, independants, whoever you like, at this point even Green's are 20x better!

uh, drugs are bad...mmmkay

 

[Jhhnn]

uh, drugs are bad...mmmkay

He's just doing the wrong kind. In his case, thorazine or similar would probably do him a world of good. What's the drug of choice for tranquilizer darts these days, anyway?