Leftists are the enemy of freedom!

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ch33zw1z

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lol. Lock her up!

Yea, but

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rise

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Stll amazes me people, young ones especially, find 'progressives' to be an abhorrent term.
 

kage69

Lifer
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First of all under "leftists" I consider liberals, progressives, collectivists, socialists, etc...

Over the past decade liberals have turned into fascist, where you label ALL who don't think as you as "sexist, racist, bigots" and NEVER engage in any actual debate and then try and shut down anyone who opposes your authoritarian ideology by saying they shouldn't have a platform or be allowed to speak because YOU labeled them as "racist, sexist and bigots".

If you are a black conservative you are labeled a ************, a betrayer, a whitey, etc... If you are a trans conservative you are shamed and threatened and assaulted, while calling other people bigots and transphobes. If you are a black lesbian woman you are labeled as stupid and as controlled to be able to think on their own.

So it ultimately isn't about race, ethnicity, color, sex, gender, religion, etc... its about whether you are leftist or not. If you are NOT a leftist AND BLACK, HOMOSEXUAL, LATIN, FEMALE, TRANS, MUSLIM, JEWISH, then you are evil "racist, sexist, bigot" and these days even "rapist". Doesn't matter if you are Jewish, you are still an evil Nazi if you are not a leftist. Not even libertarians or independents are safe from these idiotic, retarded, brainless and lazy attacks.

This is the modern left these days! This is why the LEFT is the biggest threat to freedom and liberty! I'm a libertarian and I'm from Eastern Europe, but I don't look at conservatives in the USA or generally in the West and see them as a threat to freedom, something that even just 30 years ago was a danger, the right was far more authoritarian and wanting to restrict their opposition, but in less than 30 years the left has become the biggest danger to freedom that we've ever had!

If the left continue on this path and moderate liberals, old school liberals, classical liberals don't take back the reigns from these extremists, we would be living in 1984 style tyranny by the left or the alternative is a massive and extremely bloody civil war with tens of millions of dead!

Someone get this poor fool a CAT scan.

Takes a special kind of affliction to look at the state of things today, in republican control, and go frothy about how it's "the left" bringing us tyranny. Hilarious, yet I feel pity for the poor guy.
 

Commodus

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Stll amazes me people, young ones especially, find 'progressives' to be an abhorrent term.

The sad thing is that you'd think people would understand that being progressive is good -- it's just a question of what that progression is.

Conservatism, by its literal definition, feels like it's inherently flawed. It means you either believe the status quo is good enough (always false) or that you need to revert to an old way of doing things (usually false). You're refusing to explore new ideas and expand your horizons, and that's the opposite of the adventurous human spirit.
 

trenchfoot

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Decades of conditioning, passed from parent to child.

For certain folks it's called "tradition". Lots and lots of traditions gets passed down to the progeny of those folks who hold some things dear to their hearts. For example, the tradition of being racist, of being loyal to Adolf Hitler, of being loyal to the insurrectionist Robert Lee, of being loyal to a party whose leaders are exclusively loyal to the very wealthy and pay lip service to everyone else in said party, of being so loyal to the One and Only God that all other so called "religions" must be wiped clean off the face of the earth no exceptions, including those that are of another faction of Christianity.

Which leads to the observation of why we all just can't get along: it's because a certain leadership of those who hold power would do just about anything to keep holding it no matter if they are, by the principles of our democracy becoming the minority faction of the nation, up to and including passing laws that clearly violate the spirit of the very foundational guidance that our nation is built upon and of which these leaders swore to uphold and protect with their lives "So help them God."
 

SlowSpyder

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The left, as a whole, as accepted radicalism as their mainstream. Free schooling, free healthcare, they argue against border security when we clearly need it, abolish ICE, restrict constitutional rights, throw any sort of due process out the window if it furthers their political agenda, institutionalize racism against white males, measure the past by contemporary standards, riot when a Democratic process doesn't go their way, push for LGBT rights while asking for anti-LGBT muslims to pour into our country, push their version of morality into law, create a victimhood mentality to minorities, etc. etc. They have become a caricature of themselves.
 

GodisanAtheist

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*Sigh* I guess I'll bite. This is going to have a bit of #bothsides so let me just acknowledge that before posting.

The Far Left(tm) is authoritatian in the same way as The Far Right(tm) is, only enforcing a different albeit equally rigid set of relatively extremist views on society.

However, the far left as far as I can tell has never been in the halls of power in the United States. Occasionally "left wing" policy has been implemented by the moneyed elite to throw a bone to the workers to short circuit the worry of a communist revolution (see the New Deal).

"Right wing" and more recently Far Right politics and policies have always had a strong grip on American politics and after the rise of Trump seems to be moving into the mainstream in big way.

I acknowledge all extremes are dangerous to the American way of life, but as I see it, the Right Wing is the problem we're currently facing have have to squash. If left wing policies somehow become enforcable in law and snowball into some sort of monster that begins trampling on our liberties, then that's the beast we will have to fight.
 
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SlowSpyder

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*Sigh* I guess I'll bite. This is going to have a bit of #bothsides so let me just acknowledge that before posting.

The Far Left(tm) is authoritatian in the same way as The Far Right(tm) is, only enforcing a different albeit equally rigid set of relatively extremist views on society.

However, the far left as far as I can tell has never been in the halls of power in the United States. Occasionally "left wing" policy has been implemented by the moneyed elite to throw a bone to the workers to short circuit the worry of a communist revolution (see the New Deal).

"Right wing" and more recently Far Right politics and policies have always had a strong grip on American politics and after the rise of Trump seems to be moving into the mainstream in big way.

I acknowledge all extremes are dangerous to the American way of life, but as I see it, the Right Wing is the problem we're currently facing have have to squash. If left wing policies somehow become enforcable in law and snowball into some sort of monster that begins trampling on our liberties, then that's the beast we will have to fight.


Would you agree that being fined or possibly worse for refusing to call someone by their preferred pronoun is authoritarian anti-1st Amendment leftist bullshit? How do you think the extreme right is rising? Trump is a right leaning anti-government-restriction moderate.
 

ch33zw1z

Lifer
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*Sigh* I guess I'll bite. This is going to have a bit of #bothsides so let me just acknowledge that before posting.

The Far Left(tm) is authoritatian in the same way as The Far Right(tm) is, only enforcing a different albeit equally rigid set of relatively extremist views on society.

However, the far left as far as I can tell has never been in the halls of power in the United States. Occasionally "left wing" policy has been implemented by the moneyed elite to throw a bone to the workers to short circuit the worry of a communist revolution (see the New Deal).

"Right wing" and more recently Far Right politics and policies have always had a strong grip on American politics and after the rise of Trump seems to be moving into the mainstream in big way.

I acknowledge all extremes are dangerous to the American way of life, but as I see it, the Right Wing is the problem we're currently facing have have to squash. If left wing policies somehow become enforcable in law and snowball into some sort of monster that begins trampling on our liberties, then that's the beast we will have to fight.

Yea, the extremist in me wants people to be healthy and educated, I'm rotten to the core.
 

brycejones

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The left, as a whole, as accepted radicalism as their mainstream. Free schooling, free healthcare, they argue against border security when we clearly need it, abolish ICE, restrict constitutional rights, throw any sort of due process out the window if it furthers their political agenda, institutionalize racism against white males, measure the past by contemporary standards, riot when a Democratic process doesn't go their way, push for LGBT rights while asking for anti-LGBT muslims to pour into our country, push their version of morality into law, create a victimhood mentality to minorities, etc. etc. They have become a caricature of themselves.


Posts a straw army and adds the bold at the end.
 
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brycejones

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Posted truth you don't want to hear. The left has become the real authoritarians.

Then please by all means support your "truth" with actual factual statements. BTW long hairs on you-tube don't count and finding a few random idiots ranting on twitter and facebook doesn't either. Point to actual party platforms, recognized thought leaders, organizational mission statements, serious policy proposals for each of things you listed in your post. If the truth is so self evident this should be a REALLY easy task for you.

I'm giving you the chance to convince me and others that you're right and we've been deluded. Are you up to the task?
 

GodisanAtheist

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Would you agree that being fined or possibly worse for refusing to call someone by their preferred pronoun is authoritarian anti-1st Amendment leftist bullshit? How do you think the extreme right is rising? Trump is a right leaning anti-government-restriction moderate.

- Yes, while I agree for basic protections for LGBT folks, the idea that a law allows (even if it is never enforced) the possibility of ciminal action against an individual for saying "he" instead of "she" repeatedly and purposefully is absurd. I can see how such a thing could result in disciplinary action against a caregiver from their employer in the event that the participant/patient objected.

- For your second point, I think Trump is more of an uncouth loudmouth than belonging to any particular political philosophy. Not much has really happened under his term so far, despite all the news surrounding him.

However the"Muslim Ban", conflating various minorities with stereotypes, increased military spending at the expense of public debt, vocally flouting being "above" the institutions that keep this country running, undermining the 4th estate for his personal benefit and promulgating various conspiracy theories regarding the "deep state" all harken back to a tin pot right wing dictator.

Worst of all, elements of American society that had previously felt it best to keeping their least savory personal opinions to themselves have felt emboldened to go public.
 

Thebobo

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Posted truth you don't want to hear. The left has become the real authoritarians.

Your just someones alt trying to troll us. You play in the side of the sandbox where all the turds left from our previous trolls lay. All you do is eat them and defecate them back out in the same spot. Everyone is careful to avoid the stinky side except you few.
 

Thump553

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Would you agree that being fined or possibly worse for refusing to call someone by their preferred pronoun is authoritarian anti-1st Amendment leftist bullshit? How do you think the extreme right is rising? Trump is a right leaning anti-government-restriction moderate.

Unless you have a written contract-like a union contract- employment in the USA is employment at will. Your employer can fire AT ANY TIME for any or even no reason whatsoever. Unless your situation fits it some rather narrowly defined classes (like a firing based on racial or religious reasons) your only remedy is unemployment compensation.

If you were a true conservative you wouldn't collect unemployment compensation because that is a progressive program which impairs the employer's rights.

Your first amendment rights protect you against governmental action, not action by your employer.

Your example is pure hog wash-it has nothing to do with fascism, liberalism or conservatism or your constitutional rights of any sort. It's just something you think is wrong, therefore it must be authoritarianism imposed by the evil liberals.
 

GodisanAtheist

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Yea, the extremist in me wants people to be healthy and educated, I'm rotten to the core.

-I'm not really sure what to do with this comment and I don't really know you so I have no idea what you believe.

So I'll just say that people can believe in the same goal with extremist views on how to get there. All of which is further informed by the spirit of the times.

Maybe someone wants folks to be healthy and educated... But the means to that end is by creating an ethnostate by deporting or killing everyone of the wrong color or heritage.

That's the rub. Everyone, painting by broad strokes here, wants the same end results when you look at a birds view of possible outcomes. The devil is in how everyone thinks we should get there.
 

kage69

Lifer
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Yea, the extremist in me wants people to be healthy and educated, I'm rotten to the core.

You sonavabitch. Yer just like that damn socialist Marxist communist Kenyan Barack Hussein Obama! Trying to round people up and... *pant* give'em health insurance and protection for pre-existin conditions!!