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[blackangst1]

me:


hmm, that's about right, actually...

Hey get outta my square...

 

[MotF Bane]

^^ hardcore left-winger

You see how deep he is into libertarian side? There is hope for you yet, Robor. :awe:

 

[Robor]

You see how deep he is into libertarian side? There is hope for you yet, Robor. :awe:

Thanks!

 

[daniel49]

No, Stealers Wheel.

yeak ok ,its been a while
Miller sung it also though right?

 

[alphatarget1]

I think daniel49 is a liberal, but I'm not too sure.

Me:

 

[daniel49]

I think daniel49 is a liberal, but I'm not too sure.

Me:

Thats not a nice thing to say.
Daniel49 is not a liberal.

 

[Nitemare]

Daniel49 = Populist Democrat

Getting back to the original point of the thread

My Right side beliefs:
* Pro Guns
* Skeptical of Global Warming
* Harsh and capital punishment for criminals
* Believe in a strong military for defense.
* Support of military action for those that harbor and support terrorism, but don't support throwing over established governments even if they are led by douchebags
* Believe the government should be as fiscally sound when it can be and even try to save surpluses for when it can't be.
* For school choice like charter schools
* Against labor unions
* Only tax what is needed, nothing more.



My Left side beliefs:
* For single payer health care, or non profit health insurance laws.
* Secular. (ie non religious)
* Gays should be in the military.
* Believes 2 consenting adults can do anything they want behind closed doors and pro gay marriage
* All for regulation and enforcement of unethical business practices.
* For nuclear and alternative energy.
* Forcing everyone to get an education regardless.
* Removal of tax shelters and or tax loopholes used by the rich.
* Government needs to be more forceful against corporate collusion.
* For stem cell research.
* Think Mary Jane should be legalized and taxed.

For my "compromised" beliefs:
* I believe State rights should be expanded and Federal ones retracted. 2/3 of the politicians in DC should be downsized.
* Give me your hard workers regardless of their immigration status and I'll give you your pick of anyone on welfare and who breeds just to get a paycheck.
* I believe lawyers that file frivolous lawsuits need to be disbarred and thrown in jail for wasting tax payers money and need to do hard labor.
* I believe tort reform should be a major priority and would bring health care insurance down to a more reasonable level, but since most politicians have law degrees this will never happen.
* Do not believe in welfare for those that can do, but choose not to. I'd rather fund groups that helped people become contributing members of society. Give a man a food stamp and he can eat for a day, teach him a trade and he can eat for a lifetime.
*Believe that I should be able to choose where my tax dollars go, not the elected officials in DC that have an agenda.
* I believe in using regulation to keep businesses ethical, but I think regulations should just be ethical guidelines and laws to be enforced. I don't believe in over regulation where it hurts us such as subsidizing sugar and regulating prices to keep prices artificially high.
* I know that government is needed to maintain programs that no business will provide because it is not profitable, and because it is needed by everyone, but we shouldn't pay someone not to grow food.
* Pro choice up to the second trimester. I'm against any form of late term abortion and view it as murder at that point.

 

[daniel49]

Daniel49 = Populist Democrat

Getting back to the original point of the thread

My Right side beliefs:
* Pro Guns
* Skeptical of Global Warming
* Harsh and capital punishment for criminals
* Believe in a strong military for defense.
* Support of military action for those that harbor and support terrorism, but don't support throwing over established governments even if they are led by douchebags
* Believe the government should be as fiscally sound when it can be and even try to save surpluses for when it can't be.
* For school choice like charter schools
* Against labor unions
* Only tax what is needed, nothing more.



My Left side beliefs:
* For single payer health care, or non profit health insurance laws.
* Secular. (ie non religious)
* Gays should be in the military.
* Believes 2 consenting adults can do anything they want behind closed doors and pro gay marriage
* All for regulation and enforcement of unethical business practices.
* For nuclear and alternative energy.
* Forcing everyone to get an education regardless.
* Removal of tax shelters and or tax loopholes used by the rich.
* Government needs to be more forceful against corporate collusion.
* For stem cell research.
* Think Mary Jane should be legalized and taxed.

For my "compromised" beliefs:
* I believe State rights should be expanded and Federal ones retracted. 2/3 of the politicians in DC should be downsized.
* Give me your hard workers regardless of their immigration status and I'll give you your pick of anyone on welfare and who breeds just to get a paycheck.
* I believe lawyers that file frivolous lawsuits need to be disbarred and thrown in jail for wasting tax payers money and need to do hard labor.
* I believe tort reform should be a major priority and would bring health care insurance down to a more reasonable level, but since most politicians have law degrees this will never happen.
* Do not believe in welfare for those that can do, but choose not to. I'd rather fund groups that helped people become contributing members of society. Give a man a food stamp and he can eat for a day, teach him a trade and he can eat for a lifetime.
*Believe that I should be able to choose where my tax dollars go, not the elected officials in DC that have an agenda.
* I believe in using regulation to keep businesses ethical, but I think regulations should just be ethical guidelines and laws to be enforced. I don't believe in over regulation where it hurts us such as subsidizing sugar and regulating prices to keep prices artificially high.
* I know that government is needed to maintain programs that no business will provide because it is not profitable, and because it is needed by everyone, but we shouldn't pay someone not to grow food.
* Pro choice up to the second trimester. I'm against any form of late term abortion and view it as murder at that point.

daniel49 is not a democrat populist or otherwise

 

[Red Dawn]

yeak ok ,its been a while
Miller sung it also though right?

I'm not aware of him doing it but he may have.

 

[Locut0s]

ME:

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

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And to copy the OP and rate myself:

My Left side beliefs:
* Pro Strong Gun control. I'm not about not owning any guns but doing so with strong regulations.
* Not Skeptical of Global Warming
* No capital punishment for criminals
* Believe in weak (but not none) military for defense.
* Gay marriage should be legal along with adoption.
* Believe that the government shouldn't run deficits that hurt the country in the long run but ultimately the goal of government is to help people where corporations can't.
* For labor unions
* Taxes are important sources of revenue for social programs BUT there needs to be MUCH more transparency and oversight of where tax money goes.
* Pro legal immigration and not a strong illegal immigration opposer though I do think that it should be kept in reasonable bounds.
* Pro choice
* Pro drug legalization, at least for pot and a few other softer drugs
* People should not be rated as successes or failures in life. Life is short and so long as they are not harming others people should basically be allowed to live how they please. There should be a deemphasis on being financially successful though of course such a goal is laudable if that is what one chooses. The 60 year old hippie world backpacker is just as legitimate a life as any other (again so long as others aren't harmed).

My Right(ish) side beliefs:
* The pendulum has swung a little too far towards the PC side when it comes to modern thinking on raising children. EG the no failing kids, no winers, no loosers etc...
* Properly regulated (which it isn't) the free market IS the best engine we know of for producing wealth and lifting people out of poverty. HOWEVER it needs to be strongly regulated and not implemented right away in desperately poor nations.
* Militaries do have their purposes. 95% of the time war should be avoided but there are instances where force is the right tool.

I'd rate myself pretty far left compared to most ATOTers but I'm no communist. I have socialist tendencies but I wouldn't call myself socialist either.

 

[nick1985]

Believe in weak (but not none) military for defense.

lol

not a strong illegal immigration opposer

wtf?

 

[Locut0s]

lol


wtf?

What do you want I'm a lefty

About the military I believe in having a military primarily for peace keeping operations + just enough for small scale deterrence. I'm not for world domination super power status so I would leave that to the countries that are interested in that.

As for illegal immigration I see it like how Anthony Bourdain writes about illegal workers in the chef industry. He highly praises the Mexican staff at all the restaurants he's worked at and believe that by and large they don't get the respect they deserve. They work crazy hours for very little pay and send back home much of this. They hardly ever complain and just do what needs to be done. These people are a mix of both legal and illegal immigrants but a lot of them are no doubt illegal. He goes as far as to advocate opening up the borders to all comers. I wouldn't support that. Like I said I'm still anti illegal immigration but it's complicated by the fact that I feel for many if not most of the people who immigrate illegally. I don't expect others to agree with me on this and I don't want to start a flame war. That's just IMHO.

 

[blackangst1]

What do you want I'm a lefty

About the military I believe in having a military primarily for peace keeping operations + just enough for small scale deterrence. I'm not for world domination super power status so I would leave that to the countries that are interested in that.

As for illegal immigration I see it like how Anthony Bourdain writes about illegal workers in the chef industry. He highly praises the Mexican staff at all the restaurants he's worked at and believe that by and large they don't get the respect they deserve. They work crazy hours for very little pay and send back home much of this. They hardly ever complain and just do what needs to be done. These people are a mix of both legal and illegal immigrants but a lot of them are no doubt illegal. He goes as far as to advocate opening up the borders to all comers. I wouldn't support that. Like I said I'm still anti illegal immigration but it's complicated by the fact that I feel for many if not most of the people who immigrate illegally. I don't expect others to agree with me on this and I don't want to start a flame war. That's just IMHO.

Leaving your immigrations comments alone, you DO understand, dont you, you cant have a superpower global leading country with a passive military as you describe...right? Hey, thats fine. But not every country can be like Sweden

 

[QuantumPion]

ME:
* People should not be rated as successes or failures in life. Life is short and so long as they are not harming others people should basically be allowed to live how they please. There should be a deemphasis on being financially successful though of course such a goal is laudable if that is what one chooses. The 60 year old hippie world backpacker is just as legitimate a life as any other (again so long as others aren't harmed)..

I'm just curious but what decade were you born in?


As for me, well I support Israel's right to exist so I guess that automatically makes me a right-wing Nazi regardless of any other beliefs.

 

[Deudalus]

Interested to see where I come across:

Pro Gun Rights

Pro Choice

Pro Gay Rights

Pro Legalization of Weed

Pro Taxing of Weed to fight every other drug

Skeptical of Global Warming

Pro clean energy as long as that doesn't mean use less and spend more for it

Pro Free Market Capitalism

Believer in Supply Side Economics

Anti Income, Estate/Death, and Capital Gains Taxes

Pro Flat Sales Tax as the ONLY tax

Anti Labor Unions

Believe it should be illegal for the government to not have a balanced budget

According to The Political Compass

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: 5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -3.0

 

[werepossum]

To use the OP's formula:
My Right side beliefs:
* Pro Guns
* Pro hunting and fishing
* Skeptical of Global Warming
* Harsh and capital punishment for criminals
* Believe in a strong military for defense
* Support of foreign sanctions of ME until they remove their tyrannous leaders and terrorist associations
* Believe the government should be as fiscally sound when it can be and even try to save surpluses for when it can't be
* For school choice like charter schools
* Only tax what is needed, nothing more
* Harsher penalties for illegal immigrants (especially after due process is done to find they are illegal)
* Not for single payer health care (unless the FairTax or other flat retail sales tax replaces the income and capital gains taxes, then I would support it)
* For nuclear energy
* For adult stem cell research funded by government
* Pro legalization of weed (well, I really don't care except medically)
* Pro Free Market Capitalism
* Pro supply side economics
* Pro smaller and less intrusive government
* Against government taking over private businesses, even to keep them afloat
* Against government funding academia except via loans or grants to individual students
* Anti illegal immigration
* Pro reduced legal immigration
* English only as an official language

My Left side beliefs:
* Pro Gay Marriage
* All for regulation and enforcement of unethical business practices
* For alternative energy (where practical and cost effective), especially point-of-use solar, where it can compete (or nearly so) with conventional forms of energy
* Pro hybrids, especially where the ICE is decoupled from the drive train
* Anti genetically engineered foods where those foods can readily hybridize with non-GE crops
* Anti genetically engineered to be sterile foods
* For conservation, of energy and of species
* Where a human activity is endangering the existence of a species/subspecies of fish (salamander, wasp, etc.), I'm on the fish's side
* Forcing everyone to get an education regardless
* Anti corporate bailouts
* Removal of tax shelters and or tax loopholes used by the rich
* Government needs to be more forceful against corporate collusion
* Against subsidies except where a clear national defense or nation security concern can be demonstrated
* Pro fetal stem cell research where funded privately
* Pro trade barriers and import tariffs
* Against "victimless crime" laws such as prostitution unless a secondary affect (such as disease transmission) occurs
* Anti clearcutting except on smallish, flat private patches not near watersheds
* Against lumbering (of any kind) in public parks

For my "compromised" beliefs:
* Pro FairTax (left and right support and oppose it)
* While I am for government social programs such as welfare to a degree, I think it needs more stringent standards to get people off welfare. I don't think anyone who's intention it is to remain on welfare eventually has no benefits and trying to circumvent that will lead to jail. And I think healthy welfare recipients should be forced to work at something useful and to be drug tested to receive checks.
* I support reasonable legislation limiting CO2 and other emissions, but oppose cap-and-trade and any wealth redistribution to other countries to compensate them for their humiliation.
* I believe in using regulation to keep businesses ethical, but I think regulations should just be ethical guidelines and laws to be enforced. I don't believe in over regulation where it hurts us such as subsidizing sugar and regulating prices to keep prices artificially high.
* I know that government is needed to maintain programs that no business will provide because it is not profitable, and because it is needed by everyone.
* Pro choice up until the baby is viable outside the womb. I'm against any form of late term abortion and view it as murder at that point.
* Against unskilled labor unions where the only purpose is to leverage the employees' collective strength, but for trade unions where training is done and standards are held high and for unions where work is unusually hazardous (e.g. mining, a form of trade union IMO.)

Economic Left/Right: 1.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.90
(Don't quite trust the above test - I see myself both further right and more libertarian. There are many places where I think the question is too simplistic to be meaningful and my responses could vary enough day to day to significantly swing my classification.)

Deudalus is a center-right libertarian.

 

[daniel49]

Me:
The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.03



werepossum..conservative with some leftover left leanings.

 

[Locut0s]

Leaving your immigrations comments alone, you DO understand, dont you, you cant have a superpower global leading country with a passive military as you describe...right? Hey, thats fine. But not every country can be like Sweden

?? What I mean is I don't care much to be a member of a super power country. I mean I like being a member of a country that HAS a military but a small one and one used sparingly. Think Europe, Canada etc...

 

[Locut0s]

I'm just curious but what decade were you born in?

born : 1982 why do I sound like a hippy?

 

[InflatableBuddha]

ME:

Economic Left/Right: -6.88
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.31

--------------------------------------------

And to copy the OP and rate myself:

My Left side beliefs:
* Pro Strong Gun control. I'm not about not owning any guns but doing so with strong regulations.
* Not Skeptical of Global Warming
* No capital punishment for criminals
* Believe in weak (but not none) military for defense.
* Gay marriage should be legal along with adoption.
* Believe that the government shouldn't run deficits that hurt the country in the long run but ultimately the goal of government is to help people where corporations can't.
* For labor unions
* Taxes are important sources of revenue for social programs BUT there needs to be MUCH more transparency and oversight of where tax money goes.
* Pro legal immigration and not a strong illegal immigration opposer though I do think that it should be kept in reasonable bounds.
* Pro choice
* Pro drug legalization, at least for pot and a few other softer drugs
* People should not be rated as successes or failures in life. Life is short and so long as they are not harming others people should basically be allowed to live how they please. There should be a deemphasis on being financially successful though of course such a goal is laudable if that is what one chooses. The 60 year old hippie world backpacker is just as legitimate a life as any other (again so long as others aren't harmed).

My Right(ish) side beliefs:
* The pendulum has swung a little too far towards the PC side when it comes to modern thinking on raising children. EG the no failing kids, no winers, no loosers etc...
* Properly regulated (which it isn't) the free market IS the best engine we know of for producing wealth and lifting people out of poverty. HOWEVER it needs to be strongly regulated and not implemented right away in desperately poor nations.
* Militaries do have their purposes. 95% of the time war should be avoided but there are instances where force is the right tool.

I'd rate myself pretty far left compared to most ATOTers but I'm no communist. I have socialist tendencies but I wouldn't call myself socialist either.

Cheers comrade - I'm pretty much at the same spot on the spectrum .

I agree with all of your points except one. I would favour legalizing ALL drugs, not just pot. Properly regulated and taxed, I would use the revenue to fund treatment, harm reduction and education programs.

If you only legalize pot, you leave cocaine, heroin, meth and many other drugs still available for organized criminals to profit from.

 

[werepossum]

Me:
The Political Compass

Economic Left/Right: 0.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.03



werepossum..conservative with some leftover left leanings.

That's actually closer to how I see myself than is that Political Compass. I'm pretty libertarian personally, not so much for corporations even though I think they are wonderful things, so I suppose that balances out to a large degree on the Authoritarian/Libertarian scale. And I was pretty liberal when young - except gay marriage, that's reasonably new. I was quite anti-gay growing up, but having later befriended a few (no gays in my high school except for some retarded kids - yeah, I'm hoping Sarah will come spank me) and no little mouths shot out to bite off my face (a la Alien) I eventually decided they were not such a threat after all.

 

[HumblePie]

Cheers comrade - I'm pretty much at the same spot on the spectrum .

I agree with all of your points except one. I would favour legalizing ALL drugs, not just pot. Properly regulated and taxed, I would use the revenue to fund treatment, harm reduction and education programs.

If you only legalize pot, you leave cocaine, heroin, meth and many other drugs still available for organized criminals to profit from.

Except, organized crime will always exist. It always has. As long as there is laws dictating right from wrong, there will always be people willing to do what is wrong for profit. Using the organized crime argument is a fairly moot one when you think about it in this perspective. Crime will just find another avenue to be criminal in.

So, that definitely makes you a Loc lefty hippes in my book. Were I still think is fairly right wing.

 

[woolfe9999]

* Pro hunting and fishing

Wacko nutjob rightwinger! j/k

You're libertarian lite.

- wolf

 

[werepossum]

Wacko nutjob rightwinger! j/k

You're libertarian lite.

- wolf

LOL Evidently.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Except, organized crime will always exist. It always has. As long as there is laws dictating right from wrong, there will always be people willing to do what is wrong for profit. Using the organized crime argument is a fairly moot one when you think about it in this perspective. Crime will just find another avenue to be criminal in.

So, that definitely makes you a Loc lefty hippes in my book. Were I still think is fairly right wing.

Oh, I agree that there will always be some organized crime since there are other avenues for profit (extortion, human trafficking, counterfeit goods, etc.). However, illegal drugs generate comparatively massive amounts of revenue for organized crime.

By eliminating the largest revenue source, you can at least shrink the size and scope of the problem to a more manageable size.

This approach would also eliminate much of the property crime associated with illegal drugs, although that is a separate issue.

I proudly wear the lefty label, thanks .