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Carmen813

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Well there are degrees. I believe that it is proper for a government to have a focused social safety net. For example, I don't believe that a house ought to be foreclosed because someone loses a job. Now if they don't get back to work after a while then that's another matter. The degree and length of such a program would be subject to debate.

I also recognize that some people simply can't work and haven't relatives which have the financial resources to suck it up. Think someone severely physically or mentally handicapped. Ok, I'll pay taxes for that. I'll also shell out money on a medicaid program which works. That's defined as putting a broom and shovel or whatever in the hands of those who can do something (obviously that's a metaphor for doing something useful). The point of such a program is that it should be run with the idea of downsizing and going back to those in need, not those who want to be on the dole because Momma was.

We can't practically say "get a job" when there isn't one, or when the person is ignorant in the true sense. That does not obligate us to continue that situation in perpetuity.

Guns? I'm firmly in the pro gun column. Abortion? I don't like it, because too often it's merely retroactive birth control. Does that mean I want it overturned? No, because that's not the societal consensus. I'll defer to the rule of law on that issue.

What people do in their private lives is not dependent on my opinion of what is right or wrong. I still reserve the right of discernment, but not control. That of course is limited by the "your right to swing your fist ends at the beginning of my nose" philosophy.

So to sum it up-
I don't believe government ought to force someone's morality. I teach my kids what's right or wrong. Keep your damn hands off them.

I think that people need to take care of themselves and their own, I recognize that at times it needs to be involved. In all cases the government derives it's power from the people and rules with our consent. "We The People" have a government to serve us, not the reverse. The controlling document in all this is the Constitution, and it was made hard to change for a reason. That is to provide restraints on government, and keep it from overpowering us. Dems and Reps have often abused it, but that doesn't make it right.

Government is much like the One Ring. It can be tempting to bring it in for many good reasons, but once it takes over something there is no going back.

Caveat Emptor.

Oh, I'm a Conservative now, because I don't swallow what was being pushed as "health care reform". That was merely who controls the purse strings. I also don't care for many things this administration has done. I don't think that government is good at a great many things, and having seen how things work up close and personal I have reason to feel this way.

Now two years ago I was a liberal because I believed that Iraq was a cluster that we never should have gotten involved, and I felt that when no WMDs were found (and it was clearly stated that they were there), the Republicans should have held their representatives accountable. Instead, they circled the wagons. They did so when we arrested a US citizen for years without proper legal counsel or habeas corpus. That was clearly unconstitutional, although all sorts of lame excuses were made.

Things are right or wrong on their own, and making excuses for them because they are "good in the long run" is abhorrent to me, especially when the ends justifying the means is often determined by whether there is a D or R involved.

That's how I think.

We agree on a lot :) I ended up liberal libertarian on that test as well. I think the one major issue we may disagree on is health care, but I don't think we're really that far apart.
I believe government can be inherently good (or no worse than any other human organization) but I recognize that it often fails (like many human organizations).
 

BigDH01

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We agree on a lot :) I ended up liberal libertarian on that test as well. I think the one major issue we may disagree on is health care, but I don't think we're really that far apart.
I believe government can be inherently good (or no worse than any other human organization) but I recognize that it often fails (like many human organizations).

I think there are quite a few left Libertarians around, although many are only mildly so. Our nation has a strong history of left Libertarians, including Jefferson and Paine.

From a somewhat limited knowledge of your posts, I would probably put you there.
 

MotF Bane

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I think there are quite a few left Libertarians around, although many are only mildly so. Our nation has a strong history of left Libertarians, including Jefferson and Paine.

From a somewhat limited knowledge of your posts, I would probably put you there.

aka liberals. Real liberals, not the crap we have now.
 

BigDH01

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aka liberals. Real liberals, not the crap we have now.

Real liberal, or classic liberal, would be more right Libertarian. Jefferson and Paine had many collectivist views which puts them further to that chart's left than classic liberals. A modern classic liberal would be someone like Friedman.
 

palehorse

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hmm, that's about right, actually...
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palehorse

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^ - Semi-Libpublican?
well, whenever I describe myself in as few words as possible, I generally say "A right-leaning centrist with a few libertarian core values thrown in."

Did I mention that I also hate labels and groupthink? lol...
 

Holst

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Economic and social freedom is the most important thing.
Henry David Thoreau said:
The best government is that which governs least

Concerning the above poster - I am strongly against anything leaning towards liberalism, so ehhh.
 
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lothar

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considering most people have very general and moderate political views, and tend not to differentiate from the norm, yeah really.

The questions in general are stupid with no middle ground or compromise options given in the answers.
 

Holst

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The questions in general are stupid with no middle ground or compromise options given in the answers.
I agree that some of the questions need a middle ground option but they are, for the most part, pretty opinionated.
 

Udgnim

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consider myself to be somewhere in the middle with a tendency to favor the thinking of right economic policies
 
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Steeplerot

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For even more interesting reading try the real deal with real world history and countries who fought wars under the libertarian banner, (something right wing libertarians never even tried) not the watered down PC name if you are exploring the subject. Spanish Civil war/Ukraine during Russian Revolution and how left-libertarians actually made it work (unlike the marxists) is very interesting.

George Orwell's Homage to Catalonia is great. Emma Goldman, Alexzander Berkman and of course Bakunin is the great Author of left-libertarians. (Karl Marx's rival)

http://www.akpress.org has the goods

As far as the thread, I am bottom left on those political scales.
 
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lothar

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I agree that some of the questions need a middle ground option but they are, for the most part, pretty opinionated.

Again this wasn't supposed to be a political compass thread.
This was supposed to be a "rate the person above you based on their post history here" thread, not one filled with pictures of stupid political compasses.
 

Robor

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Again this wasn't supposed to be a political compass thread.
This was supposed to be a "rate the person above you based on their post history here" thread, not one filled with pictures of stupid political compasses.

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Robor

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^^ hardcore left-winger

Pretty much. That said, I'm not a gun grabber and I'm delighted the waste of life who killed the woman working in a local park was executed this morning. Too bad it took over 25 years to happen.