Left 4 dead 2 boycott steam group

[SunnyD]

IMHO, L4D should never have been a stand-alone retail game. It's about the equivalent of Counterstrike or Team Fortress... not worth paying more than $10 as an add-on for.

 

[mindcycle]

Definite cash grab mentality. I don't care what Gabe says..

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
This backlash is totally retarded. You can still play L4D when L4D2 comes out, and Valve claims they haven't abandoned updating the older game. If the new game is good, buy it and play it. End of story.

Yeah but the beauty of L4D is playing multiplayer (co-op and versus), when l4d2 comes out, it'll decimate multiplayer and render l4d worthless.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
This backlash is totally retarded. You can still play L4D when L4D2 comes out, and Valve claims they haven't abandoned updating the older game. If the new game is good, buy it and play it. End of story.

Yeah but the beauty of L4D is playing multiplayer (co-op and versus), when l4d2 comes out, it'll decimate multiplayer and render l4d worthless.

Damn, man, how many more times do you need to play through No Mercy? Seriously, around my twentieth time with the twentieth different team, I kind of got the sense I'd pretty much covered it, you know. Did you play Bioshock 20 times?

As I said, this should NOT be compared to team-based multiplayer shooters. It doesn't have endless replayability like those games and, as such, doesn't have the same kind of community as them. That said, I'm sure there will be price cuts for L4D and package deals with L4D2 to bring in some new players. There will also always be those, post L4D2, who want to play the old maps again. And there will also be those, like you, who are, for some reason, hopelessly attached to L4D1 who will keep it going. Either way, it should be still thriving for the next half decade and lingering probably indefinitely....plenty of time for your centennial completion of Blood Harvest.

 

[Modelworks]

I'll wait till I see the final pricing.
I'm betting it will be $29 or less.

The thing that always upsets me is that most gamers don't realize how many man hours it takes to add all this extra stuff. Someone has to sign the paychecks. If you want the content for free then go make it yourself. Game design is not point and click like some think it is.

 

[RallyMaster]

I joined it.

 

[JSt0rm]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Put simply, Left 4 Dead 2 is everything Left 4 Dead 1 should have been.

you cant say that. I say its going to be more of the same and boycott or no i'm not buying it lol. I actually dont even care what they do with the ip at this point.

 

[Zenoth]

For me it depends on the price, I couldn't care less if Valve announce L4D3 only six months after L4D2 comes out, from the way I see it, from what I've read and the videos I've watched and the interviews I've seen, L4D2 barely resembles anything like a "true sequel". that of course is subjective, and Valve only cares about money, not their consumers, and as a company such a mentality is normal, they want and need money, fine, I also need money to live, and I like to "vote" and express my thoughts with my money.

So instead of being blindly willing to give Valve $50 just because "it's a Valve game" then I'd restrain myself out of my own views on this whole subject and I say allow me to buy L4D2 at a reduced price and I will do it, which I know will happen eventually, but certainly not at release, so I will be waiting, I don't know how long, but I don't care how long it takes, one, two or three years? I'm willing to pay around $25 for it, no more, that's my way to vote, and it's the best in my opinion, making boycotts with video games is so... intangible.

 

[Koudelka]

Just from reading the few comments here.. I'm quite shocked (I havent kept up on L4D 2 because i got bored with L4D one after a week and shelved it)

They're releasing L4D2 and charging customers to pay for their product they worked to create. And said customers are crying because its not freely given to them. It's been 10 months since the release of the original.

Am i missing something?... Oh i forgot.. There's never been a sequel released that seperated an online gaming community. Of course!

 

[Koudelka]

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy

Originally posted by: Jack Flash

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
This backlash is totally retarded. You can still play L4D when L4D2 comes out, and Valve claims they haven't abandoned updating the older game. If the new game is good, buy it and play it. End of story.

Think people are going to keep those dedicated servers running for the old game? You won't be able to play Left 4 Dead 1 like you used to.

Wow, just like Counter-Strike 1.6 when Source came out? Oh wait.

Set up a server yourself if your favorites get shut down. You have no inherent rights to community-run servers or free content.

Hah! I was just about to quote and reply with your exact comment.

If you like the older version so much, setup your own server or play with others who enjoy the older version, Jack.

Time goes on and games get updated. Sad, huh?

10 months is plenty of time for a sequel. The first game had very little content to begin with and limited replay value, you cannot compare it to a game like CS with endless replay and still growing custom mod/map downloads.

Just surprised to hear so many people crying like babies. If you dont want to buy the sequel, dont buy it and play the old one. No reason to start a laughable boycott group or join one.

 

[Jack Flash]

I look forward to Left 4 Dead 5 in November 2012.

 

[SpunkyJones]

I'm ok with a Left 4 Dead 2 coming out this fall. I have over 200 hours played with the first one, and had a blast. I think I got my moneys worth.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: Koudelka
Am i missing something?...

Yes. Valve used a promise of free content to sell a product, then reneged on that promise and instead decided to charge for the extra content. How would you feel if you bought a new blender with a 24 month warranty, then the company that sold you the blender decided to release a new model and told you your warranty is only valid if you buy the new blender. It's a similar position.

The people complaining wouldn't have a leg to stand on if Valve didn't promise new content - in that case they would be operating under an assumption of free content which Valve has no obligation to provide. This is not the case.

 

[MikeyLSU]

I am pissed about this coming out also as I expected more updates to L4D before a sequel.

But I will wait until pricing and see if Valve does any discounts before getting too upset. Valve has a good reputation for a reason, lets see what they do before boycotting everything.

 

[Phokus]

Originally posted by: HeroOfPellinor

Originally posted by: Phokus

Originally posted by: CoinOperatedBoy
This backlash is totally retarded. You can still play L4D when L4D2 comes out, and Valve claims they haven't abandoned updating the older game. If the new game is good, buy it and play it. End of story.

Yeah but the beauty of L4D is playing multiplayer (co-op and versus), when l4d2 comes out, it'll decimate multiplayer and render l4d worthless.

Damn, man, how many more times do you need to play through No Mercy? Seriously, around my twentieth time with the twentieth different team, I kind of got the sense I'd pretty much covered it, you know. Did you play Bioshock 20 times?

As I said, this should NOT be compared to team-based multiplayer shooters. It doesn't have endless replayability like those games and, as such, doesn't have the same kind of community as them. That said, I'm sure there will be price cuts for L4D and package deals with L4D2 to bring in some new players. There will also always be those, post L4D2, who want to play the old maps again. And there will also be those, like you, who are, for some reason, hopelessly attached to L4D1 who will keep it going. Either way, it should be still thriving for the next half decade and lingering probably indefinitely....plenty of time for your centennial completion of Blood Harvest.

:roll: you know there's going to be user generated content, right? It's not like l4d is only the valve made maps and game modes... :roll:

 

[Alex C]

The user generated content is already there, Valve just hasn't made it easy to use. You need to run a friend's only game after your friends have installed the maps and then use the console to switch to the new maps. I played a really cool giant bedroom map a few days ago, it reminded me of toy story.

 

[pontifex]

Originally posted by: Daverino

Originally posted by: Golgatha

Originally posted by: blckgrffn
With any luck, they'll have a promo period where current L4D owners can snipe it for $20. Which I think is reasonable, given that it will double the L4D universe.

Nat

Yet another reason I loathe not having the right to resell my purchases I've made that require Steam.

Snip

In short, L4D will be completely worthless

How much were you planning to recoup on something you'd consider worthless?

reading comprehension - get some

 

[styrafoam]

Dear Valve,

EA suggests you start using the year of release naming convention right away to avoid any akward titles that you could possibly come up with. L4D Extreme, L4D Pure Adrenaline and L4D The New Generation may sound good in coming from the marketing department, but trust the people that are telling you that you might as will just name them L4D 2010, 2011 & 2012.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Originally posted by: styrafoam
Dear Valve,

EA suggests you start using the year of release naming convention right away to avoid any akward titles that you could possibly come up with. L4D Extreme, L4D Pure Adrenaline and L4D The New Generation may sound good in coming from the marketing department, but trust the people that are telling you that you might as will just name them L4D 2010, 2011 & 2012.

Valve aren't exactly famous for intelligent naming decisions.
Half Life cool name
Half Life 2 makes sense
Half Life 2: Episode 1 so did I just play episode zero? huh?
Half Life 2: Episode 2 this is getting ridiculous
Half Life 2: Episode 3 at least we're getting consistent again
Half Life 3 WTF?
Orange Box worst.... name.... ever
Left 4 Dead really? this is right up there with 2 Fast 2 Furious
Left 4 Dead 2 Valve really like numbers
Counter-Strike: Source you named a game after the name of your game engine?
Day of Defeat: Source see above
Half Life 2: Deathmatch / Half Life Deathmatch: Source which one do I want to play here?

 

[Metyneskar]

Switching to an episodic set and then back to a main release could be considered awkward for naming, I guess. Left 4 Dead is indeed rather generic/corny.

The rest of that is laughable, though. CSS and DoDS have the source tag to differentiate them from the mods that ran on the half-life 1 engine. Half-life Deathmatch: source is the original half-life deathmatch ported to the source engine, just as Half-Life: Source is. This all follows the same convention: half-life 1 and mods on the source engine get the source tag. Current games made on source do not.

As for Orange Box, orange is half-life's color. The HEV suit, the lambda logo, half-life 1 box art. With three games having completely unrelated titles in one package, what else can they call it other than something iconic, yet vague enough to ensure people check its contents? Episode 2, Team Fortress, and Portal Combo Pack is a bit unwieldy.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: styrafoam
Dear Valve,

EA suggests you start using the year of release naming convention right away to avoid any akward titles that you could possibly come up with. L4D Extreme, L4D Pure Adrenaline and L4D The New Generation may sound good in coming from the marketing department, but trust the people that are telling you that you might as will just name them L4D 2010, 2011 & 2012.

Until they put two of those out in one year. Personally, I'm looking forward to picking up L4D 2012 2. That looks like a government license plate.

 

[CoinOperatedBoy]

Originally posted by: Jack Flash
Wow just like Counter-Strike Source came out 4 years after 1.6 having time to build up a large user created community? Wait, Left 4 Dead 2 is coming out less than a year after the first.

So you're saying Left 4 Dead has not had time to really establish a significant community, yet you're lamenting that the release of Left 4 Dead 2 will split said community. Durr?

I have the right to vote with my wallet and I certainly will.

Nobody's stopping you. It just seems stupid to me to refuse to buy a game on these grounds before you even really know much about it. If it's good, play it. If it's not, don't. What's so hard about this?

Valve has at least attempted to assuage fears that they have abandoned L4D. You have no idea what content is still in store for the older game, so until the sequel comes out, users doesn't really have much basis to complain, if you ask me.

Since when did we as a gaming community decide to go to the developers and say "Hold on now hoss, we want you to release less stuff"?

 

[ibex333]

I agree with thte op. I think it's very stupid how they are releasing L4D 2 so soon after the original. It doesn't make any sense, at least from the gamers standpoint.

 

[ivan2]

can't say that i will boycott them as i've been sucker into every valve game and every battlefield games even though i hated some of them... but im kinda disappointing that they call this a new game instead of an expansion. if it's an expansion chances are game play balance and improvements will still be made to the title. Calling it an new game means old games will be eventually abundant, for example CS 1.6 is still 1.6 now after all these years.

and i play L4D for versus, i prob played through dead air and death toll one time each, i weren't big into it because there are other games i want to try, coop is not the only way to have fun.

 

[HeroOfPellinor]

Originally posted by: ivan2
but im kinda disappointing that they call this a new game instead of an expansion.

It's significantly BIGGER than the original game. Why should it be an expansion pack?