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Lebanon's Pro-Syrian Government Is Dissolved

http://nytimes.com/2005/02/28/international/middleeast/28cnd-lebanon.html

By HASSAN M. FATTAH

Published: February 28, 2005

BEIRUT,Feb. 28 - In an apparent victory for Lebanon's opposition movement, Prime Minister Rashid Karami resigned from office today, dissolving the country's pro-Syrian government and setting the stage for what could be a dramatic change in the relationship between Syria and Lebanon.

Mr. Karami's announcement came as more than 25,000 flag-waving protesters massed outside Parliament, chanting "Syria out!" two weeks after the assassination of former Prime Minister Rafik Hariri. When news of Mr. Karami's resignation reached the crowds, a cheer erupted throughout the square where they had gathered.

Mr. Karami made his terse announcement moments after Parliament reconvened this evening to continue debate on a no-confidence measure against the current Syrian-backed government.

"Out of concern that the government does not become an obstacle to the good of the country, I announce the resignation of the government I had the honor to lead," Mr. Karamisaid in a brief statement. "May God preserve Lebanon."

With the dissolution of the Mr. Karakmi's cabinet, a caretaker government will be assigned to lead Lebanon until parliamentary elections, already planned for May, are held.

Mr. Karimi's government had been under pressure to resign in the wake ofMr. Hariri's assassination on February 14, as outraged Lebanese blamed Syria for Mr. Hariri's slaying. In streets protests that have drawn tens of thousands, the calls for Lebanon's pro-Syrian government to step down and for Syria to withdraw its 15,000 troops positioned in Lebanon have grown more insistent every day.

Both governments have denied involvement in Mr. Hariri's assassination.

Mr. Karami became prime minister after Mr. Hariri resigned last October in protest over the lifting of term limits on Lebanon's presidency that allowed the pro-Syrian President Lahoud to remain in office for three more years.

Last week Syria, responding to pressure from Washington and the European Union, announced that it would move its military forces stationed throughout Lebanon to the Bekaa region near the Syrian border and, eventually, out of Lebanon altogether.

Today's demonstration at Beirut's Martyr's Square was organized in defiance of an Interior Ministry order against such protests.

Some observers worried that Mr. Karami's resignation would only feed growing instability that has hurt Lebanon's economy and said it could create further divisions in the country, which has been rebuilding since the 15-year civil war ended in 1990.

"In my opinion, he wants to throw the responsibility on someone else and that somebody else will not be able to solve Lebanon's problem," said Adnan Arakji, a close confidante of Mr. Hariri's who recently dropped out of the opposition movement. "I worry that these people don't know what they're doing. They now have to sit on the table and negotiate with each other or else the country will go to ruin."

Beirut's streets buzzed this evening with exuberant protestors who only 24 hours earlier had been barred by Lebanese army from entering the martyr's square.

"This is the time for the people to stand together or else we will lose this country," said Ala Andari,who camped out at the Marty's Square this evening. "We've had enough of the Syrians and their control, just give us our freedom."

could this be a potential victory for President Bush's Middle East policies, or do you think this will just introduce even more chaos into the already unstable region?
 
As long as it's a smooth transition and the people can truly be represented, this will probably be a good thing.

Now, if only Bush and his administration would follow suit!!
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: loki8481
http://nytimes.com/2005/02/28/international/middleeast/28cnd-lebanon.html


could this be a potential victory for President Bush's Middle East policies

So you think the Bush admin is behind the bombing?

Where would you get that theory?


He was asking if this a victory of Bush's Middle East policies, so since this is a direct result of the bombing, I have to ask if this bombing was part of that policy.
 
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Originally posted by: lozina
Originally posted by: loki8481
So you think the Bush admin is behind the bombing?

Where would you get that theory?


He was asking if this a victory of Bush's Middle East policies, so since this is a direct result of the bombing, I have to ask if this bombing was part of that policy.

Wording of your response is such that it could imply that the Bush admin was behind/responsible for the bombing in Lebanon last week.
 
Originally posted by: WalkingDead
Have someone claim the whole thing is done by the Jew yet?

IMO it was Israel. Look what it did.

Now Hezbollah and Syria are out of Lebanon (soon will be). Iranian troops will soon be kicked out too.

Now they can attack Iran's nuclear reactors and not face a mess.

This is what we call careful war planning.
 
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
Wording of your response is such that it could imply that the Bush admin was behind/responsible for the bombing in Lebanon last week.

It's a simple logical deduction based on the assumption that Bush's Middle East policies had anything to do with this outcome, since this outcome has resulted form nothing other than the bombing.

 
Originally posted by: Aimster
Originally posted by: WalkingDead
Have someone claim the whole thing is done by the Jew yet?

IMO it was Israel. Look what it did.

Now Hezbollah and Syria are out of Lebanon (soon will be). Iranian troops will soon be kicked out too.

Now they can attack Iran's nuclear reactors and not face a mess.

This is what we call careful war planning.

🙂
 
Lebanon used to be a great place, considered the Jewel of the Middle East. It would be nice to see it return from decades of senseless violence(though I believe it's been calm for quite sometime now) and stagnancy.
 
As long as Israel and the U.S leave things alone, and as long as the Syrian Army withdraws without making any trouble, things should be fine. Would be nice to see the Lebanese people free to rule themselves without some foreign powers trying to rule them by proxy.
 
Originally posted by: sandorski
Lebanon used to be a great place, considered the Jewel of the Middle East. It would be nice to see it return from decades of senseless violence(though I believe it's been calm for quite sometime now) and stagnancy.

Calling something the jewel of the middle east is like calling John Kerry the jewel of the democratic party...it's not saying much.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Lebanon used to be a great place, considered the Jewel of the Middle East. It would be nice to see it return from decades of senseless violence(though I believe it's been calm for quite sometime now) and stagnancy.

Calling something the jewel of the middle east is like calling John Kerry the jewel of the democratic party...it's not saying much.

Yep, it's like polishing a turd. It may get shiny, but you just can't escape the fact that it's just one big piece of shi....
 
Originally posted by: JackStorm
As long as Israel and the U.S leave things alone, and as long as the Syrian Army withdraws without making any trouble, things should be fine. Would be nice to see the Lebanese people free to rule themselves without some foreign powers trying to rule them by proxy.



The Lebanoness themself are the one that trashed the place in thier attempt of killing off the Christians and Shiias. Of couse, it's all the Jew and the CIA's fault...... but not their own or their Arab bro's.


 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Lebanon used to be a great place, considered the Jewel of the Middle East. It would be nice to see it return from decades of senseless violence(though I believe it's been calm for quite sometime now) and stagnancy.

Calling something the jewel of the middle east is like calling John Kerry the jewel of the democratic party...it's not saying much.

It used to be an excellent resort area. Excellent climate and fairly easy to get to from Europe.

Then when the different arab/christian factions started vying for control (due to the external meddling of Syria/Iran and the PLO) the place self desinigrated.

Syria saw a chance to step into the power vacum when Irsael routed the PLO and withdrew.

 
Originally posted by: WalkingDead
Originally posted by: JackStorm
As long as Israel and the U.S leave things alone, and as long as the Syrian Army withdraws without making any trouble, things should be fine. Would be nice to see the Lebanese people free to rule themselves without some foreign powers trying to rule them by proxy.



The Lebanoness themself are the one that trashed the place in thier attempt of killing off the Christians and Shiias. Of couse, it's all the Jew and the CIA's fault...... but not their own or their Arab bro's.

Do yourself a favor and read the post again. You should see I look at the Syrian's in the same way as I do the U.S and Israel when it comes to Lebanon. All of them (And yes, this includes their fellow Arabs) have been meddling in that country's affairs for to long. There's no denying this. At least I'm willing to admit that both sides and have been doing this. I get the feeling though that you want to blame just one side(The Arabs). Which is about as lame as blaming just the Israeli or just the Palestinians for the conflict they're in, when both sides share in the blame.
 
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Lebanon used to be a great place, considered the Jewel of the Middle East. It would be nice to see it return from decades of senseless violence(though I believe it's been calm for quite sometime now) and stagnancy.

Calling something the jewel of the middle east is like calling John Kerry the jewel of the democratic party...it's not saying much.

That's a pretty ignorant statement so I suppose you are just assuming that all of the middle east has always been total crap. Lebanon had a great artistic movement in the 20th century prior to the trouble they had w/ the Syrians/Israel. It used to be a really beautiful area and hopefully it will get back to its former glory.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Lebanon used to be a great place, considered the Jewel of the Middle East. It would be nice to see it return from decades of senseless violence(though I believe it's been calm for quite sometime now) and stagnancy.

Calling something the jewel of the middle east is like calling John Kerry the jewel of the democratic party...it's not saying much.

Yep, it's like polishing a turd. It may get shiny, but you just can't escape the fact that it's just one big piece of shi....

your ignorance shines.
 
Originally posted by: Astaroth33
Originally posted by: ntdz
Originally posted by: sandorski
Lebanon used to be a great place, considered the Jewel of the Middle East. It would be nice to see it return from decades of senseless violence(though I believe it's been calm for quite sometime now) and stagnancy.

Calling something the jewel of the middle east is like calling John Kerry the jewel of the democratic party...it's not saying much.

Yep, it's like polishing a turd. It may get shiny, but you just can't escape the fact that it's just one big piece of shi....

As a Lebanese-American, I think I know a little more than either of you about the Middle East and Lebanon in particular.

Pre-war Lebanon wasn't called the Switzerland of the Middle East for nothing. I guess Switzerland must be a big steaming pile of sh*t too!

It can take a considerable amount of precious time to gauge the intelligence of an individual. Thanks for allowing us to determine your intelligence (or lack thereof) so quickly. You've done us all a favor.
 
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