League of Legends - F2P MOBA (like DOTA) part 2

[NikolaeVarius]

I don't really believe in an Elo hell myself. Yes there are troll games, and yes there are games that are more or less unsalvagable, but I've been elo grinding from about 1000 elo for about 3 days and I've gotten to 1150 pretty easily, with massive winning streaks, and a couple of bad games from bad team mates. I'm at 48 wins and 48 losses after being over 15 wins down 4 days ago, and I'm trying very hard to climb up the ranks.

The thing is that simply, the only way to win games is to force your damn team to DO things. Every single game, I find myself giving non stop orders. Mostly along the lines of "GET THE FUCK TO BARON, HOLY FUCK" and "5 BOT PUSH THE OTHER FUCKING LANES AND GET THE FUCKING TOWER" and the one I tend to use the most "GROUP THE FUCK UP AT MID AND PUSH WITH US YOU FUCKS"

Yes I've had games where a team mate feeds 20 kills to their AD carry and if they have some ward placement, they can easily rip through us. Those games tend to be unsalvagable.

But then there are games where we are 10 down at 15 minutes, and I have to start yelling to get people to do things. Get dragon, get wards, focus the damn fucking AD carry and stop attacking the damn Garen.

Champions of Choice are - Riven Top, Lee Sin Jungle, Nunu Bot.

As you can see, aside from nunu, Riven and Lee Sin can easily snowball and start wrecking the other team. Some personal skill, and working really really really hard to force your team to do objectives seems to be the best way to win.

 

[HumblePie]

I don't really believe in an Elo hell myself. Yes there are troll games, and yes there are games that are more or less unsalvagable, but I've been elo grinding from about 1000 elo for about 3 days and I've gotten to 1150 pretty easily, with massive winning streaks, and a couple of bad games from bad team mates. I'm at 48 wins and 48 losses after being over 15 wins down 4 days ago, and I'm trying very hard to climb up the ranks.

The thing is that simply, the only way to win games is to force your damn team to DO things. Every single game, I find myself giving non stop orders. Mostly along the lines of "GET THE FUCK TO BARON, HOLY FUCK" and "5 BOT PUSH THE OTHER FUCKING LANES AND GET THE FUCKING TOWER" and the one I tend to use the most "GROUP THE FUCK UP AT MID AND PUSH WITH US YOU FUCKS"

Yes I've had games where a team mate feeds 20 kills to their AD carry and if they have some ward placement, they can easily rip through us. Those games tend to be unsalvagable.

But then there are games where we are 10 down at 15 minutes, and I have to start yelling to get people to do things. Get dragon, get wards, focus the damn fucking AD carry and stop attacking the damn Garen.

Champions of Choice are - Riven Top, Lee Sin Jungle, Nunu Bot.

As you can see, aside from nunu, Riven and Lee Sin can easily snowball and start wrecking the other team. Some personal skill, and working really really really hard to force your team to do objectives seems to be the best way to win.

All good things. But you are talking about play style where I am not. Play a few more games as "casual" ranked without extended play times and you'll see what I mean. I once had a HORRIBLE losing streak in ranked games. Why? I only did 1 ranked game a night every night. Every time I did a ranked game for 10 games straight I had a leaver from the get go. 10 games straight it was a 4v5. Sometimes a 3v5.

How did I go from that crappy 900 elo back to 1315? I grinded it out. I setup a weekend to play 10+ games straight a minimum each day until I got back.

Once you reach a certain level of game mastery, the only real things holding a player down in low elo are those I mentioned in my previous post.

 

[ImpulsE69]

You're leaving out the fact that when you start out down 1 the mentality of the team changes and you are almost guaranteed at least 1 more afk's or something that adds to the already unbalanced game. Chances of a 4v5 win at the 20minute mark are pretty low. By that time someone will be spamming the surrender button even if you're ahead. You can only truly control yourself, there are still 4 other people you have to deal with. That alone takes much of the "skill" and throws it out the window. You can't be everywhere. If the said person is truly that good, and trolling didn't impact games, then they'd never be that low ELO to begin with. (hence throwing games just to get lower).

There's a big difference between people who have a bad game, and people who are trolling. 5 people trying is much better than 3 people trying while 2 purposely feed or afk.

Also, in terms of "elo hell" it has more to do with the area where the likelyhood that players actually care about winning takes place. When I'm being placed with people who have 5-10 wins I have to question Riots matchmaking when the other team is all in the 100-200 win range. Unless those 5-10 win ppl are trolling, they are almost guaranteed to be much less skilled than the opposing team. This happens on a regular basis. Even so, if they are trying, you stand a chance, even if they are feeding.

 

[zebano]

I don't really believe in an Elo hell myself. Yes there are troll games, and yes there are games that are more or less unsalvagable, but I've been elo grinding from about 1000 elo for about 3 days and I've gotten to 1150 pretty easily, with massive winning streaks, and a couple of bad games from bad team mates. I'm at 48 wins and 48 losses after being over 15 wins down 4 days ago, and I'm trying very hard to climb up the ranks.

The thing is that simply, the only way to win games is to force your damn team to DO things. Every single game, I find myself giving non stop orders. Mostly along the lines of "GET THE FUCK TO BARON, HOLY FUCK" and "5 BOT PUSH THE OTHER FUCKING LANES AND GET THE FUCKING TOWER" and the one I tend to use the most "GROUP THE FUCK UP AT MID AND PUSH WITH US YOU FUCKS"

Yes I've had games where a team mate feeds 20 kills to their AD carry and if they have some ward placement, they can easily rip through us. Those games tend to be unsalvagable.

But then there are games where we are 10 down at 15 minutes, and I have to start yelling to get people to do things. Get dragon, get wards, focus the damn fucking AD carry and stop attacking the damn Garen.

Champions of Choice are - Riven Top, Lee Sin Jungle, Nunu Bot.

As you can see, aside from nunu, Riven and Lee Sin can easily snowball and start wrecking the other team. Some personal skill, and working really really really hard to force your team to do objectives seems to be the best way to win.

Are you implying that Nunu doesn't snowball???? For shame Nik

 

[zebano]

For those of you that use lolking I've found a site that collates 5 peoples information at once... here's one of my ranked teams..

http://elophant.com/?teamId=XRE4AB

Not sure it's all that useful in solo queue unless someone writes a screen scraper to get the player names in there fast but it's interesting.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

Are you implying that Nunu doesn't snowball???? For shame Nik

It's an ice ball, not a snow ball.

 

[zebano]

It's an ice ball, not a snow ball.

Bah now you're implying that the snowballs I threw at my brothers growing up weren't 90% ice. snowball == iceball
it is known.

 

[thejunglegod]

I want to suggest a Chat option during the load screen , so you can chit-chat about strategies or praise/trash a loading screen character skin etc. Atleast then, i wouldn't alt-tab out whilst loading.

 

[nanobreath]

I want to suggest a Chat option during the load screen , so you can chit-chat about strategies or praise/trash a loading screen character skin etc. Atleast then, i wouldn't alt-tab out whilst loading.

This is what voice chat is for!

 

[Chiropteran]

I'd like to see "solo queue mode". You pick your champion mysteries etc and queue in. You don't see or know your team until the game is loaded. There is no team chat, no all chat. Only the option to ping once in awhile.

No rage, no trolling, no debates about what roles people play. Yeah, you would see some goofy teams occasionally if 3 supports randomly get put on the same team, but the matchmaking can equalize such things and if you end up with a silly composition your opponents probably have one also.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

I no longer believe in good or evil, just decent players and absolute shit players who refuse to listen to instructions.

I'm hitting this wall at 1160 where as soon as I hit that ELO, I get hit with 2 teams in a row who apparently have no idea how to play anymore and get bumped back down 30 points. Best one was the one that fed lee sin 8 kills in the first 7 minutes. How that is possible, I have no idea, he was 4 levels ahead of me 15 minutes in. Apparently, LS ganking with red at level 2 is some sort of brand new meta no one has ever though of before.

Awesome.

 

[festa_freak]

I'd like to see "solo queue mode". You pick your champion mysteries etc and queue in. You don't see or know your team until the game is loaded. There is no team chat, no all chat. Only the option to ping once in awhile.

No rage, no trolling, no debates about what roles people play. Yeah, you would see some goofy teams occasionally if 3 supports randomly get put on the same team, but the matchmaking can equalize such things and if you end up with a silly composition your opponents probably have one also.

That's an interesting idea. You could tick a box that said whether you were going tank or AD or AP (for those hybrid champions) and the game could match you up with champs who complement you. I'm not sure on the limited communication but the other ideas could work.

Don't get me wrong, I hate 63% of this community.

 

[thejunglegod]

That's an interesting idea. You could tick a box that said whether you were going tank or AD or AP (for those hybrid champions) and the game could match you up with champs who complement you.

You mean like LFG for WOW??? That could actually work and wouldnt be a bad idea. It will cut down on experminentation though and all matchups will seem a little generic IMO.

 

[EDUSAN]

i seem to be the only player that is not able to finish 1238219031/1/0 with Darius.

:S

 

[festa_freak]

i seem to be the only player that is not able to finish 1238219031/1/0 with Darius.

:S

I've never played as him but you need to master the skill of KSing.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

i seem to be the only player that is not able to finish 1238219031/1/0 with Darius.

:S

I hold the position that Darius is among one of the worst designed champions in the game. He has obscene burst, amazing sustained damage due to his passive which does incredible amounts of damage, and his only flaw is lack of a real escape, which isn't an issue if you don't push much, and in team fights, it matters much less.

He's like Vayne in which, even if you do TERRIBLY, suddenly mid game, you do some obscene amount of damage and kill multiple people in a row. It's ridiculous how the ult can do 700 true damage without even trying around level 8. That's half of most champions health.

It's just stupid. If he is even slightly tanky, he can annihilate most champions.

 

[EDUSAN]

I've never played as him but you need to master the skill of KSing.

haha yeah... his ult is the ultimate KSing skill

 

[krnmastersgt]

I hold the position that Darius is among one of the worst designed champions in the game. He has obscene burst, amazing sustained damage due to his passive which does incredible amounts of damage, and his only flaw is lack of a real escape, which isn't an issue if you don't push much, and in team fights, it matters much less.

He's like Vayne in which, even if you do TERRIBLY, suddenly mid game, you do some obscene amount of damage and kill multiple people in a row. It's ridiculous how the ult can do 700 true damage without even trying around level 8. That's half of most champions health.

It's just stupid. If he is even slightly tanky, he can annihilate most champions.

It's not just lack of escape, he has a mobility problem in general. That being said if you're stupid enough to keep running into him face first you're going to have a bad time.

He's got quite a few issues in lane, and when he has a bad match-up he's pretty boned unless the opponent is stupid, but he does have some pretty potent burst damage early on. He really needs a Shurelya's for any serious mid-game pressure unless the enemy team isn't paying attention/warding OR if he just went stupid tanky early on and can just in someone else's lane.

I no longer believe in good or evil, just decent players and absolute shit players who refuse to listen to instructions.

I'm hitting this wall at 1160 where as soon as I hit that ELO, I get hit with 2 teams in a row who apparently have no idea how to play anymore and get bumped back down 30 points. Best one was the one that fed lee sin 8 kills in the first 7 minutes. How that is possible, I have no idea, he was 4 levels ahead of me 15 minutes in. Apparently, LS ganking with red at level 2 is some sort of brand new meta no one has ever though of before.

Awesome.

If you need a duo to help get you out of there, I'm usually available (and usually on GW2 nowadays ).

 

[zebano]

It's not just lack of escape, he has a mobility problem in general. That being said if you're stupid enough to keep running into him face first you're going to have a bad time.

He's got quite a few issues in lane, and when he has a bad match-up he's pretty boned unless the opponent is stupid, but he does have some pretty potent burst damage early on. He really needs a Shurelya's for any serious mid-game pressure unless the enemy team isn't paying attention/warding OR if he just went stupid tanky early on and can just in someone else's lane.



If you need a duo to help get you out of there, I'm usually available (and usually on GW2 nowadays ).

The only nerf I would offer to Darius would be a narrower cone for his hook. It feels impossible to juke right now. Other than that I have no real problem with him.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

It's not just lack of escape, he has a mobility problem in general. That being said if you're stupid enough to keep running into him face first you're going to have a bad time.

He's got quite a few issues in lane, and when he has a bad match-up he's pretty boned unless the opponent is stupid, but he does have some pretty potent burst damage early on. He really needs a Shurelya's for any serious mid-game pressure unless the enemy team isn't paying attention/warding OR if he just went stupid tanky early on and can just in someone else's lane.

I'm not sure mobility is that big of an issue in any non chase fights. His little leash thingy is pretty damn annoying because the leash animation and the actual leash range is extremely off. It always has about 10 % more range than the animation would show. Anyway, its kind of inevitable that you are going to have to fight him every once in a while. and if he hits that q on you, you're going to be locked in that fight unless you burn a summoner, because he gets a speed boost, you get slowed, he can also drag you to him and if he has phage, good luck with that.

Sure he can get hard countered in lane, but get some tanky items, and a damage item or two, he suddenly can flash onto your squishy, bring them down to half health, and then ult doing 800 true damage, and then the ult is already back up to kill the second squishy.

It's just obnoxious.

If you need a duo to help get you out of there, I'm usually available (and usually on GW2 nowadays ).

I do have a duo partner, and we work fairly well together. I just don't get what suddenly happened. We had like a 17 game streak with only 2 losses, the BOOM prudently the teams we are put with suddenly stop knowing how to play. Losing a 18/2 game as Lee Sin is NOT fun when you initiate with baron buff against a team that is uncoordinated, and 3 other members of your team just...run and farm.

Why

 

[ImpulsE69]

I do have a duo partner, and we work fairly well together. I just don't get what suddenly happened. We had like a 17 game streak with only 2 losses, the BOOM prudently the teams we are put with suddenly stop knowing how to play. Losing a 18/2 game as Lee Sin is NOT fun when you initiate with baron buff against a team that is uncoordinated, and 3 other members of your team just...run and farm.

Why

I've had the same issue, I was climbing climbing, and suddenly boom...dropping dropping...and never stopping. :/ I've had some horrible personal games as well in that time, but even when I do extrememely well (17/2 for example) the rest of the team sucks and we lose anyway. I just don't care what anyone says, personal skill will only get you so far in this game.

 

[thejunglegod]

just don't care what anyone says, personal skill will only get you so far in this game.

Yep. That is why the game gets frustrating. When you're holding up your lane well and you keep listening to "An ally has been slain" over and over again. It just fcks you up so bad. Then you realize that the enemy team is up 10 to our 1 and you just feel like killing yourself.
LOL is the purest form of team based gameplay.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Yep. That is why the game gets frustrating. When you're holding up your lane well and you keep listening to "An ally has been slain" over and over again. It just fcks you up so bad. Then you realize that the enemy team is up 10 to our 1 and you just feel like killing yourself.
LOL is the purest form of team based gameplay.

heh i was playing riven top and getting owned by a yorick. but he never participated in any teamfights - it was always 4v4 and my team came out ahead every time. so his team ended up losing in the end. i was glad i got carried

 

[EDUSAN]

yeah...thats the issue with solotop in most matches... they are completely forgotten until mid-late game hahaha

There should be something like dragon (that is not AS important and hard to get as baron) on the top side of the map that would make both teams want to go to that part from time to time

solotop... forever alone (with a visit from time to time from the jungler)

 

[Fenixgoon]

yeah...thats the issue with solotop in most matches... they are completely forgotten until mid-late game hahaha

There should be something like dragon (that is not AS important and hard to get as baron) on the top side of the map that would make both teams want to go to that part from time to time

solotop... forever alone (with a visit from time to time from the jungler)

there's this guy called Baron Nashor...you may have heard of him