LCD or Plasma

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
1920x1080 is a better picture. That's the simple way to put it. Regardless of whether you notice it, you're getting more information on screen at once.

Very wrong. It would essentially be saying that a car A is better than car B b/c it's got twice the horsepower. There is so much more to a car just as there is so much more to a quality picture. Sure if all else is equal, I'll take 1080p. However, I'll take a Pioneer 5080 every time over any LCD.

At what price? See LCD is typically very much cheaper than plasma given a specific size screen. Not everyone has room for 50" and not everyone can afford $2k on a TV :laugh:

Not true. At 42" and up quality Plasma is cheaper than quality LCD. There is not much below 42" for plasma anyway due to mfg constraints.

Show me some links because I've never seen that. My next TV will probably be 37" though...better to go 1080p LCD with a good set vs trying to find a Plasma that compares I suppose.

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
1920x1080 is a better picture. That's the simple way to put it. Regardless of whether you notice it, you're getting more information on screen at once.

Very wrong. It would essentially be saying that a car A is better than car B b/c it's got twice the horsepower. There is so much more to a car just as there is so much more to a quality picture. Sure if all else is equal, I'll take 1080p. However, I'll take a Pioneer 5080 every time over any LCD.

At what price? See LCD is typically very much cheaper than plasma given a specific size screen. Not everyone has room for 50" and not everyone can afford $2k on a TV :laugh:

There is ALWAYS room for a 50", unless your rooms are the size of a typical bathroom. I can fit a 60" in my computer room, I'm sure ANYONE can fit a 50" in their living room. Now price, that is another story. I can understand that. But I wouldn't consider anything under 50" for an HDTV. If I didn't have the money, I'd save until I did. I'd rather save a little longer for a nice 50" plasma (~$2500 for the 5080), than waste $1000-$1500 on a set I wouldn't be happy with.

But if you just CAN'T wait and can't afford a Pioneer plasma, the second best plasma is the Panasonic and you can get the 42" 1080p model for <$1400. I don't know if that is in your price range, but if it is, it's definitely worth checking out.

 

[LS20]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd


Show me some links because I've never seen that. My next TV will probably be 37" though...better to go 1080p LCD with a good set vs trying to find a Plasma that compares I suppose.

find them yourself, youre the one shoppign for a tv. we just state observed facts

 

[DBL]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Show me some links because I've never seen that. My next TV will probably be 37" though...better to go 1080p LCD with a good set vs trying to find a Plasma that compares I suppose.

At 37" and under 1K, you are looking at LCD, especially if you want 1080p. If you decide to go with a 42" and need 1080p, the get the Panasonic 700u series. It's ~$1450 or so.

Of course, if you are going to be using this TV for watching movies and TV most of the time, I'd personally go with a 42" 720p Panasonic over any 37" LCD regardless of the resolution. That comes in at about 1K.

Or you could even go with a 50" 720p Panasonic for ~$1450 or so. Despite the resolution, that will give the biggest visual impact out of any display for under $1500.

But why even consider Plasma if you see "trails" as you say?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd


Show me some links because I've never seen that. My next TV will probably be 37" though...better to go 1080p LCD with a good set vs trying to find a Plasma that compares I suppose.

find them yourself, youre the one shoppign for a tv. we just state observed facts

Thanks for that useless post, no need to be a typical a-hole just because you're so damn elitist with your $3k TV :thumbsdown::roll:

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Show me some links because I've never seen that. My next TV will probably be 37" though...better to go 1080p LCD with a good set vs trying to find a Plasma that compares I suppose.

At 37" and under 1K, you are looking at LCD, especially if you want 1080p. If you decide to go with a 42" and need 1080p, the get the Panasonic 700u series. It's ~$1450 or so.

Of course, if you are going to be using this TV for watching movies and TV most of the time, I'd personally go with a 42" 720p Panasonic over any 37" LCD regardless of the resolution. That comes in at about 1K.

Or you could even go with a 50" 720p Panasonic for ~$1450 or so. Despite the resolution, that will give the biggest visual impact out of any display for under $1500.

But why even consider Plasma if you see "trails" as you say?

Because I don't think I game enough on my TV to really make or break the possibility of going that route.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd


Show me some links because I've never seen that. My next TV will probably be 37" though...better to go 1080p LCD with a good set vs trying to find a Plasma that compares I suppose.

find them yourself, youre the one shoppign for a tv. we just state observed facts

Thanks for that useless post, no need to be a typical a-hole just because you're so damn elitist with your $3k TV :thumbsdown::roll:

Honestly, my experience has been that LCDs ARE cheaper than plasmas. Don't know why many people here are seeing something else. Could be that I haven't been pricing TVs in ~1 year now, and something drastic happened in the market since then.

Although, I will agree that you'd be better off with 42" 720p Plasma than any 1080p LCD at or below that size. ...and there will be plenty to be had well below 1k come BF.

but you must have 20/5 vision or something...trails on a Plasma? Sure, it's difficult to get a real comparison in your own living room (the only way to really compare), but checking these things out in-store is never going to be very accurate. They keep brightness/contrast jacked way above acceptable levels to counter the in-store lighting, glare, whatever...

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: DBL

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd
Show me some links because I've never seen that. My next TV will probably be 37" though...better to go 1080p LCD with a good set vs trying to find a Plasma that compares I suppose.

At 37" and under 1K, you are looking at LCD, especially if you want 1080p. If you decide to go with a 42" and need 1080p, the get the Panasonic 700u series. It's ~$1450 or so.

Of course, if you are going to be using this TV for watching movies and TV most of the time, I'd personally go with a 42" 720p Panasonic over any 37" LCD regardless of the resolution. That comes in at about 1K.

Or you could even go with a 50" 720p Panasonic for ~$1450 or so. Despite the resolution, that will give the biggest visual impact out of any display for under $1500.

But why even consider Plasma if you see "trails" as you say?

Because I don't think I game enough on my TV to really make or break the possibility of going that route.

traditionally, the argument for LCD would be that you do game enough to go that route. Although it isn't an issue anymore, gamers shied away from plasma b/c of burn-in. If the majority of your TV time will be for Film or TV, then you should definitely go plasma...and perhaps DLP over LCD

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: LS20

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd


Show me some links because I've never seen that. My next TV will probably be 37" though...better to go 1080p LCD with a good set vs trying to find a Plasma that compares I suppose.

find them yourself, youre the one shoppign for a tv. we just state observed facts

Thanks for that useless post, no need to be a typical a-hole just because you're so damn elitist with your $3k TV :thumbsdown::roll:

Honestly, my experience has been that LCDs ARE cheaper than plasmas. Don't know why many people here are seeing something else. Could be that I haven't been pricing TVs in ~1 year now, and something drastic happened in the market since then.

Although, I will agree that you'd be better off with 42" 720p Plasma than any 1080p LCD at or below that size. ...and there will be plenty to be had well below 1k come BF.

but you must have 20/5 vision or something...trails on a Plasma? Sure, it's difficult to get a real comparison in your own living room (the only way to really compare), but checking these things out in-store is never going to be very accurate. They keep brightness/contrast jacked way above acceptable levels to counter the in-store lighting, glare, whatever...

I haven't really used any plasma manufactured in the last year though. That could be a problem. See on my current TV which is a CRT I see no ghosting or whatnot (only the 1080i limitatuion creates some blur effect at times). On my PC I have a really fast LCD which eliminates ghosting. Plasma used to be (maybe still is?) somewhere in between for gaming. I'm actually leaning toward getting a 42" Panasonic plasma because for what you are getting, the prices are pretty damn low. Plus, I know for a fact that Plasma is a better picture by default (after proper burn in) for movies, TV, sports, and whatnot. I'm just on the edge on the gaming "issue". Again I don't believe I play my 360 enough to really have to worry about IR much. Heck, from what I've read of receint sets, the IR goes away within 5min of watching TV on the screen. The big issue for me is will I see ghosting or blur in gaming scenerios?

Uncle has a 720p LG plasma...gotta drag my xbox there and see if it was an issue that occures with older sets or what.

I'm still open to the possibility, but I've always heard, read, been told, and told others that LCD is better for gaming applications or in environments where gaming is the majority of the usage.

edit: I still don't see 42" Plasma for less than 42" LCD.

 

[zinfamous]

I've had a PS2 and now PS3 hooked up to my 42" Samsung plasma...and had no problems. I've never noticed the ghosting, but it could be that I sit far away enough or an just not sensitive to it. I don't play games on the PS3 that much, but I have noticed that on bright menu screens or game start screens, there is significant IR, but it is gone as soon as the next screen pops up. To me, everything has looked bright and sharp--that is, after I stopped using the "game mode" feature, which left colors so dark that I could rarely see what was going on.

I just use the movie/film setting for everything.

 

[TheAdvocate]

I have a 42" Toshiba 1080p LCD (now with an HD-A2 connected to it: thanks wally-world). I have friends with 720p plasmas, 1080p LCDs, between 40-52". and some with DLPs up to about 65". I lived with a guy last summer who had a 65" Sony LCD Projection TV, and we spent many many hours in front of it watching hoops & even some international soccer.I've spent an unfortunate amount of time reading AVS Forums, scanning pricegrabber, amazon, etc, and here's what I can tell you:

95% of the stuff that people argue about on these forums will mean absolutely nothing to you at home. Absolutely nothing. The bottom line is that any flat screen TV from any reputable manufatcurer with any legitimate HD source material will blow away whatever non-HD setup you have right now. Even a run of the mill 720p Plasma or 37" LCD will look so much better that you'll be obsessed with it for weeks or months. More importantly, even if your set is saddled with one of these supposed fatal flaws that us geeks are obsessinga bout, you won't notice it. With these exceptions:

1. DLPs bulbs burn out and cost way too much to replace. It is a dying tech. Unless you are just trying to buy the absolute biggest 1080p screen for the buck, don't bother. If you do throw down your $$ for any giant rear projection set, including DLP, you'd better have a bigass room to put it in, cause I have a friend with a kickass Samsung 60" in a normal sized bonus room and the thing is too fvcking big. Even he knows it, and admits it at every party or get together. Why he didnt take it back and get something smaller is beyond me. It's a nice TV, but completely over the top.

2. Most plasmas rock for watching movies in dimly lit rooms. They have better viewing angles. Most plasmas have too much glare from the glass screen to put in a room with multiple windows and high sunlight. You can buy the super hind end models w/ the anti-glare coatings (not permanent, but reportedly very good), if that's your fancy, but they are pricey. Plasma rocks for watching flicks though. No 2 ways about it.

3. LCDs are extremely well rounded utilitarian displays. They kick ass at showing bright colors, epseically non-natural stuff like cgi and cartoons. They rock as monitors. They don't get hot, and havinga toddler myself, the damn thing is durable as hell.

Bottom line is - buy a 1080p LCD if you want an all around performer at a good price. Buy a high end plasma if you want the best home theater experience you can get. Don't buy DLP unless you have big tv envy. But most of all, just buy something and enjoy it, cause HDTV is like pizza or sex. Even when it's crappy, it's still pretty good.

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
But most of all, just buy something and enjoy it, cause HDTV is like pizza or sex. Even when it's crappy, it's still pretty good.

yeah, that pretty much sum sit up
:beer:

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
I have a 42" Toshiba 1080p LCD (now with an HD-A2 connected to it: thanks wally-world). I have friends with 720p plasmas, 1080p LCDs, between 40-52". and some with DLPs up to about 65". I lived with a guy last summer who had a 65" Sony LCD Projection TV, and we spent many many hours in front of it watching hoops & even some international soccer.I've spent an unfortunate amount of time reading AVS Forums, scanning pricegrabber, amazon, etc, and here's what I can tell you:

95% of the stuff that people argue about on these forums will mean absolutely nothing to you at home. Absolutely nothing. The bottom line is that any flat screen TV from any reputable manufatcurer with any legitimate HD source material will blow away whatever non-HD setup you have right now. Even a run of the mill 720p Plasma or 37" LCD will look so much better that you'll be obsessed with it for weeks or months. More importantly, even if your set is saddled with one of these supposed fatal flaws that us geeks are obsessinga bout, you won't notice it. With these exceptions:

1. DLPs bulbs burn out and cost way too much to replace. It is a dying tech. Unless you are just trying to buy the absolute biggest 1080p screen for the buck, don't bother. If you do throw down your $$ for any giant rear projection set, including DLP, you'd better have a bigass room to put it in, cause I have a friend with a kickass Samsung 60" in a normal sized bonus room and the thing is too fvcking big. Even he knows it, and admits it at every party or get together. Why he didnt take it back and get something smaller is beyond me. It's a nice TV, but completely over the top.

2. Most plasmas rock for watching movies in dimly lit rooms. They have better viewing angles. Most plasmas have too much glare from the glass screen to put in a room with multiple windows and high sunlight. You can buy the super hind end models w/ the anti-glare coatings (not permanent, but reportedly very good), if that's your fancy, but they are pricey. Plasma rocks for watching flicks though. No 2 ways about it.

3. LCDs are extremely well rounded utilitarian displays. They kick ass at showing bright colors, epseically non-natural stuff like cgi and cartoons. They rock as monitors. They don't get hot, and havinga toddler myself, the damn thing is durable as hell.

Bottom line is - buy a 1080p LCD if you want an all around performer at a good price. Buy a high end plasma if you want the best home theater experience you can get. Don't buy DLP unless you have big tv envy. But most of all, just buy something and enjoy it, cause HDTV is like pizza or sex. Even when it's crappy, it's still pretty good.

Well, I have HD now. CRT 1080i though. Small screen. I want to go bigger and upgrade to something with HDMI.

I guess my best option is LCD 1080p (for my gaming habit too). One thing I never thought about is glare. I do have a window facing directly at the TV, sometimes even with the shade down I see reflection from it. Could be eliminated with LCD maybe no?

 

[zinfamous]

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
I have a 42" Toshiba 1080p LCD (now with an HD-A2 connected to it: thanks wally-world). I have friends with 720p plasmas, 1080p LCDs, between 40-52". and some with DLPs up to about 65". I lived with a guy last summer who had a 65" Sony LCD Projection TV, and we spent many many hours in front of it watching hoops & even some international soccer.I've spent an unfortunate amount of time reading AVS Forums, scanning pricegrabber, amazon, etc, and here's what I can tell you:

95% of the stuff that people argue about on these forums will mean absolutely nothing to you at home. Absolutely nothing. The bottom line is that any flat screen TV from any reputable manufatcurer with any legitimate HD source material will blow away whatever non-HD setup you have right now. Even a run of the mill 720p Plasma or 37" LCD will look so much better that you'll be obsessed with it for weeks or months. More importantly, even if your set is saddled with one of these supposed fatal flaws that us geeks are obsessinga bout, you won't notice it. With these exceptions:

1. DLPs bulbs burn out and cost way too much to replace. It is a dying tech. Unless you are just trying to buy the absolute biggest 1080p screen for the buck, don't bother. If you do throw down your $$ for any giant rear projection set, including DLP, you'd better have a bigass room to put it in, cause I have a friend with a kickass Samsung 60" in a normal sized bonus room and the thing is too fvcking big. Even he knows it, and admits it at every party or get together. Why he didnt take it back and get something smaller is beyond me. It's a nice TV, but completely over the top.

2. Most plasmas rock for watching movies in dimly lit rooms. They have better viewing angles. Most plasmas have too much glare from the glass screen to put in a room with multiple windows and high sunlight. You can buy the super hind end models w/ the anti-glare coatings (not permanent, but reportedly very good), if that's your fancy, but they are pricey. Plasma rocks for watching flicks though. No 2 ways about it.

3. LCDs are extremely well rounded utilitarian displays. They kick ass at showing bright colors, epseically non-natural stuff like cgi and cartoons. They rock as monitors. They don't get hot, and havinga toddler myself, the damn thing is durable as hell.

Bottom line is - buy a 1080p LCD if you want an all around performer at a good price. Buy a high end plasma if you want the best home theater experience you can get. Don't buy DLP unless you have big tv envy. But most of all, just buy something and enjoy it, cause HDTV is like pizza or sex. Even when it's crappy, it's still pretty good.

Well, I have HD now. CRT 1080i though. Small screen. I want to go bigger and upgrade to something with HDMI.

I guess my best option is LCD 1080p (for my gaming habit too). One thing I never thought about is glare. I do have a window facing directly at the TV, sometimes even with the shade down I see reflection from it. Could be eliminated with LCD maybe no?

try rearranging the room?

 

[cmdrdredd]

Originally posted by: zinfamous

Originally posted by: cmdrdredd

Originally posted by: TheAdvocate
I have a 42" Toshiba 1080p LCD (now with an HD-A2 connected to it: thanks wally-world). I have friends with 720p plasmas, 1080p LCDs, between 40-52". and some with DLPs up to about 65". I lived with a guy last summer who had a 65" Sony LCD Projection TV, and we spent many many hours in front of it watching hoops & even some international soccer.I've spent an unfortunate amount of time reading AVS Forums, scanning pricegrabber, amazon, etc, and here's what I can tell you:

95% of the stuff that people argue about on these forums will mean absolutely nothing to you at home. Absolutely nothing. The bottom line is that any flat screen TV from any reputable manufatcurer with any legitimate HD source material will blow away whatever non-HD setup you have right now. Even a run of the mill 720p Plasma or 37" LCD will look so much better that you'll be obsessed with it for weeks or months. More importantly, even if your set is saddled with one of these supposed fatal flaws that us geeks are obsessinga bout, you won't notice it. With these exceptions:

1. DLPs bulbs burn out and cost way too much to replace. It is a dying tech. Unless you are just trying to buy the absolute biggest 1080p screen for the buck, don't bother. If you do throw down your $$ for any giant rear projection set, including DLP, you'd better have a bigass room to put it in, cause I have a friend with a kickass Samsung 60" in a normal sized bonus room and the thing is too fvcking big. Even he knows it, and admits it at every party or get together. Why he didnt take it back and get something smaller is beyond me. It's a nice TV, but completely over the top.

2. Most plasmas rock for watching movies in dimly lit rooms. They have better viewing angles. Most plasmas have too much glare from the glass screen to put in a room with multiple windows and high sunlight. You can buy the super hind end models w/ the anti-glare coatings (not permanent, but reportedly very good), if that's your fancy, but they are pricey. Plasma rocks for watching flicks though. No 2 ways about it.

3. LCDs are extremely well rounded utilitarian displays. They kick ass at showing bright colors, epseically non-natural stuff like cgi and cartoons. They rock as monitors. They don't get hot, and havinga toddler myself, the damn thing is durable as hell.

Bottom line is - buy a 1080p LCD if you want an all around performer at a good price. Buy a high end plasma if you want the best home theater experience you can get. Don't buy DLP unless you have big tv envy. But most of all, just buy something and enjoy it, cause HDTV is like pizza or sex. Even when it's crappy, it's still pretty good.

Well, I have HD now. CRT 1080i though. Small screen. I want to go bigger and upgrade to something with HDMI.

I guess my best option is LCD 1080p (for my gaming habit too). One thing I never thought about is glare. I do have a window facing directly at the TV, sometimes even with the shade down I see reflection from it. Could be eliminated with LCD maybe no?

try rearranging the room?

Not possible. I have it setup so that my TV and receiver are on one end with my 5.1 setup positioned correctly (my speakers are oversized for the room but I did this for my stereo only music listening). And my Computer on the wall to the side (near the cable line and my router). I can't move things around because I have 8 computers wired through gigabit to one wall and cannot move things away from it without much hassle.

I don't think the window is a problem, but I sometimes do notice it. Not so much that it's distracting though.