Lawyers Bail on Boehner's Obamacare Lawsuit

[Matt1970]

Better than 50m+

Sure it is, but is it "a success by every measure,......a landmark piece of legislation and cement Obama's legacy as a key figure in presidential history"?

Hardly.

 

[Matt1970]

It covers 60% of enrollees' health expenses. Not 60% of enrolleees. In fact, silver plans cover about 70% of those enrolled if I remember correctly, so bronze plans are less than 30% of people.

I am quoting word for word from the article. If you have info that differs, please link to it.

 

[himkhan]

FTFY

Just so you know... you didn't fix anything. Liberals are none of those things. Nice try.

 

[himkhan]

Premiums skyrocketing, people kicked of their plans and losing their doctor after being promised they could keep them. Still waiting for the success part to kick in.

Fear
Uncertainty
Doubt

Still not playing well in 2014. Try again in '15 :awe:

 

[fskimospy]

I am quoting word for word from the article. If you have info that differs, please link to it.

Lol. No you aren't. Go read your very own quote at the end of page one.

I am literally using the very quote you supplied from the article. You simply didn't bother to read what you were quoting. It very clearly says that bronze plans cover 60% of expenses, not that 60% of people have bronze plans.

How many times do I have to say go back and read more closely? This is some serious self ownage territory.

 

[fskimospy]

For posterity and self ownage:

I take it you didn't even read what you linked to:

"Premiums for the second-lowest cost silver plan for individuals will fall by an average of 0.8 percent from current levels in these cities when open enrollment begins on Nov. 15, according to the study.

For bronze-level plans, which cover about 60 percent of enrollees’ health expenses on average, the analysis finds that the premium for the lowest-cost bronze option across the marketplaces is increasing an average of 3.3 percent in 2015."

So 60% (bronze plans)will see an increase on average of 3.3%. While silver plans which is less with see a 0.8% decrease and no mention of gold and platinum plans. How is that an average savings of $2500?

Bolding is mine.

 

[Darwin333]

Please explain why the employer mandate is necessary for the ACA to function. If you actually understood how the law works you wouldn't be saying something so silly.

Are you saying that the people that wrote the law didn't understand how it would work when they wrote it but now they do? Otherwise, why the hell was some unnecessary bullshit added to, what was called, one of the most important pieces of legislation in a generation? I try to give a bunch of leeway but if you pass a "mandate" into law and then say "whoops, fucked up on that one", I'm going to give you some shit.

As a political atheist, I absolutely love the ACA. You can't make political humor like this up.

 

[fskimospy]

Are you saying that the people that wrote the law didn't understand how it would work when they wrote it but now they do? Otherwise, why the hell was some unnecessary bullshit added to, what was called, one of the most important pieces of legislation in a generation? I try to give a bunch of leeway but if you pass a "mandate" into law and then say "whoops, fucked up on that one", I'm going to give you some shit.

As a political atheist, I absolutely love the ACA. You can't make political humor like this up.

No, it was a piece of legislation that had some parts that were vital for it to function and other parts that were things they thought were good ideas but were not vital. This is pretty much true of any large legislation, you have central tenets and then other nonessential parts. How is this even remotely complicated?

It's pretty obvious if you read the legislation that this was understood perfectly well by those who wrote it, as the two sections are totally different and deal with things in dramatically different ways.

I will agree that the ACA brings the humor, but it mostly comes from the hilarious misunderstandings of people trying to talk about it.

 

[compuwiz1]

As one who leans conservative, I've always felt the lawsuit was a dumb idea and will go nowhere. It's a waste of time and resources. Boehner is a dipshit. Let the future elections solve this shit.

 

[Matt1970]

Lol. No you aren't. Go read your very own quote at the end of page one.

I am literally using the very quote you supplied from the article. You simply didn't bother to read what you were quoting. It very clearly says that bronze plans cover 60% of expenses, not that 60% of people have bronze plans.

How many times do I have to say go back and read more closely? This is some serious self ownage territory.

It would appear you are right, I did misread that. But keep in mind, unless I read it wrong again, this is just about 1/2 of 1 plan that reduced costs (7 out of 16 major cities)when there are in fact catastrophic, bronze, silver, gold and platinum plans to consider, that is hardly a comprehensive study.

 

[Matt1970]

As one who leans conservative, I've always felt the lawsuit was a dumb idea and will go nowhere. It's a waste of time and resources. Boehner is a dipshit. Let the future elections solve this shit.

It doesn't matter, the lefties are going to lump the whole party into the actions of one individual time and time again,.

 

[Jhhnn]

It would appear you are right, I did misread that. But keep in mind, unless I read it wrong again, this is just about 1/2 of 1 plan that reduced costs (7 out of 16 major cities)when there are in fact catastrophic, bronze, silver, gold and platinum plans to consider, that is hardly a comprehensive study.

And what evidence can you offer to support your skyrocket theory?

 

[Jhhnn]

This is the problem with Liberals, when 46 million is your problem, 5 million is not fixing the problem.

States opting out of the Medicaid Expansion are an enormous part of that problem, I'm sure. I can't find any numbers atm. Maybe this map looks familiar-

http://www.advisory.com/daily-briefing/resources/primers/medicaidmap

A Conservative SCOTUS made that possible, iirc...

And, uhh, all of it is just getting going, anyway. It's a different way of doing things, and there are a lot of stragglers.

Hell, a big part of the problem with the initial signup was the way they ran you through the whole medicaid thing first. Stupid software design.

Despite all the nay saying & fear mongering, it's up and running with most of the whining originating from non-participants, people with employer sponsored plans. Funny that.

 

[shortylickens]

The Conservative desperation on this issue is pathetic. The ACA had reduced the uninsured by millions, drastically reduced the threat of medical bankruptcy, choked the growth of healthcare spending, and has reduced the long-term federal budget by TRILLIONS.

Not only is Obamacare a success by every measure, it will be a landmark piece of legislation and cement Obama's legacy as a key figure in presidential history.

The Republicans have been wrong on every claim they've spun, and one again have marched themselves to the wrong side of history.

Where is the holy hell do you get that? The program itself is hideously expensive even though it doesnt actually do much of anything. It forces private companies to do something.

 

[Jhhnn]

Where is the holy hell do you get that? The program itself is hideously expensive even though it doesnt actually do much of anything. It forces private companies to do something.

Maybe from, uhh, actuarial reports?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014...ing-growth-continued-2013-while-near-term-tre

Facts do have a Liberal bias.

 

[shortylickens]

Maybe from, uhh, actuarial reports?

http://www.whitehouse.gov/blog/2014...ing-growth-continued-2013-while-near-term-tre

Facts do have a Liberal bias.

Agreed. They are only "facts" when a liberal posts them.

 

[Jhhnn]

Agreed. They are only "facts" when a liberal posts them.

You implied falsity in what Bitek offered with your question.

What facts there are confirm his "Liberal" position.

Perhaps you could offer up a few of your own.

Not likely.

 

[Moonbeam]

Agreed. They are only "facts" when a liberal posts them.

No. That is only true in the majority of cases according to scientific evidence, which you would know if you could reason without bias instead of acting like a child of n a snit.

 

[Newell Steamer]

And, the lawyers give up,.. again.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/house-gops-lawyers-give-anti-obama-lawsuit

More than four months after House Republicans announced their historic plan to sue President Obama, the litigation, like so many initiatives from GOP lawmakers, has become a fiasco. Josh Gerstein and Maggie Haberman reported overnight that the Republicans’ lawyers have given up on the case – again.

House Speaker John Boehner’s still-unfiled lawsuit against President Barack Obama for exceeding his constitutional power is in more trouble.

For the second time in two months, a major law firm has backed out of an agreement to pursue the case, sources say.

 

[Newell Steamer]

When can we expect the kitchen sink??

Filing a separate lawsuit over the president’s authority to protect millions of undocumented immigrants from deportation is another option that gained traction Thursday during talks among party leaders.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...ef6d72-6b8a-11e4-a31c-77759fc1eacc_story.html

And, on the no lawyers issue; was I ever wrong! This isn't some jackass who painted himself in a corner,.. it was actually a calculated move!!

But the suit has wallowed ever since as GOP lawmakers have struggled to find a D.C. area law firm willing to take up their legal fight. In recent weeks, many observers have speculated privately that Boehner was purposely stalling his legal fight to include whatever actions Obama opts to take to overhaul the nation’s immigration laws.

Oh boy,.. Barry is in deep trouble now - he is dealing with a calculative and strategic man!

But Obama himself has strongly disputed the merits of the case.

“I’m not going to apologize for trying to do something while they’re doing nothing,” he said during an interview with ABC News shortly after Boehner’s announcement. “The suit is a stunt.”

These sound like the words of a man who knows he is on his last leg,..

 

[Moonbeam]

It would almost seem that conservatives sink to these vicious depths because they are scum. Of course they are not, but they must at least feel that way. Where else could all that puss come from.

 

[Newell Steamer]

Politics make strange bedfellows indeed;
EDIT: he is a known liberal - http://dailycaller.com/2014/11/18/boehners-obamacare-lawsuit-boosted-by-liberal-law-professor/

Speaker of the House John Boehner has hired Jonathan Turley, a renowned liberal law professor, as his lead counsel in the House’s lawsuit against the Obama administration’s delay of Obamacare’s employer mandate.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/boehner-taps-jonathan-turley-for-obamacare-lawsuit/article/2556315

“Professor Turley is a renowned legal scholar who agrees that President Obama has clearly overstepped his Constitutional authority. He is a natural choice to handle this lawsuit,” Boehner spokesman Michael Steel said.

A 'natural choice',.. in round 3 to attempt to sue the President.

 

[Brainonska511]

They finally filed their long-awaited lawsuit:

http://nyti.ms/1qH10d7

House Republicans filed a long-threatened lawsuit Friday against the Obama administration over unilateral actions on the health care law that they say are abuses of the president’s executive authority.

The lawsuit — filed against the secretaries of the Health and Human Services and Treasury Departments — focuses on two crucial aspects of the way the administration has put the Affordable Care Act into effect.


The suit accuses the Obama administration of unlawfully postponing a requirement that larger employers offer health coverage to their full-time employees or pay penalties. (Larger companies are defined as those with 50 or more employees.)
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