Law Firm investing Nvidia for potential Class Action.
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Looking at their website, they seem to have a whiff of patent trolling. Going after companies like Honest Tea, really?
Nvidia really messed up, but I'm honestly laughing at this "lawsuit".
Nvidia really messed up, but I'm honestly laughing at this "lawsuit".
I think you fail to see the larger picture. Lawsuits like these will help customers with processing returns. With threat of litigation, Nvidia will have a reason to act. Right now it's radio silence.
Nvidia will fight this and loose just like with bumpgate. They lied then and they lied here; there is no excuse....Lumpkin you are completely right also.
You're right 960 is a non issue; and a crap card at its price.....
Issue is 970 - Nvidia lied about the specs - doesn't matter *whoops its a mistake* or more likely - being an ISO 9000 cert corp.......they flat out lied; to bump their specs to match their competitors.....*hate to tell you this corps do this all the time to pocket the money; then deal with the fall out after which will cost them less than selling less and telling the truth*
My honest feeling is Nvidia didn't think people could catch on this quickly - right now they are screwed by consumers laws with false advertisement; and sellling item at wrong specs.
There is no ifs ands or buts how they will loose this case; its just how much they will settle for. They won't admit they did anything wrong again; just like bumpgate....yet people want to say this isn't a big deal or effecting people.
Tell that to people with SLI that it is effecting; or single 970s it is effecting. I know over here OCUK is taking all 970s back; hell they've said they are looking into taking 970s from other shops if other shops refuse to follow consumers laws here in the UK.
Atreidin
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First, you clearly don't know what patent trolling is. It is not "any real or potential lawsuit I don't like even when no patents are involved in any way". Second, there's no nvidia lawsuit yet. Third, I don't know what's wrong with a lawsuit against a tea company that's violating the law, is it stupid to sue a company simply because they sell something wholesome like tea? Or is it because the name having the word "Honest" in it is supposed to impress me into leaving them alone?
None of that mattered, the card performed exactly like it was suppose to. They won't loose the case, because it will be thrown out before it starts. It still blows my mind that people don't actually understand what false advertising is, yet they continue to throw it around on the internet without even researching it. If you want to know how terrible of a case using false advertising is look no further than the millions of cases stupid people try to sue for and lost. Because they thought false advertising actually means what it says. False advertising has nothing to do with the 970 card.
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The site got one thing right, reduced ROPs and L2 cache from the original specs.
But they are not going to get anywhere with the "faster 3.5GB portion and much slower 0.5GB VRAM".
Because if they can do a 2+2 they understand that the only reason why the 0.5GB portion is slower is because it connected through a 32bit controller. The GPU can still access both 3.5GB and the 0.5GB at the same time, hence you get the same bandwidth as promised
But they are not going to get anywhere with the "faster 3.5GB portion and much slower 0.5GB VRAM".
Because if they can do a 2+2 they understand that the only reason why the 0.5GB portion is slower is because it connected through a 32bit controller. The GPU can still access both 3.5GB and the 0.5GB at the same time, hence you get the same bandwidth as promised
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Don't forget to enrich the firm that brought the case and hands out the proceeds.
No it won't because Nvidia broke the law....plain and simple and no in cases it really does not if it was miscommunication or not. False advertisement either way and people did not get the cards they thought they were ordering.
Nvidia has lost these kind of cases before......*again bumpgate where they dumped 40 million worth of faulty chips on the market and left their partners to rot* They were found guilty; they had to pay out at least 200 million.....some say more like 500 million for that.......
This is an issue even if you don't believe it is; or try to whitewash it.
Black Octagon
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Ah, American class action lawyers. When I get to Hell, Satan will tell me that there's no room left on account of the sacrifices that these souls have been selflessly making for their fellow citizens.
American`s is the reason why we have 10 pages of useless information to read before getting to install a software or start using a product. Because the manufacture need to cover all bases of stupidness to remove the threat of getting sued by a selfish american.
They are the cornerstone of a self centered society and everything that involves fellowship or socialism is quickly swifted away as the devil`s work.
They are the reason why countless of companies have gone bankrupt because they feed on the broken patentsystem that involves shapes, or any basic technique/base that involves pretty much any product. They made a patent system that is revolved around cashing in money, not protecting unique products or encouraging other to invent new products. Its the opposite, they bankrupt companies in the start up that have little money and discourage other from trying to grow and expand and inventing new things
They are the cornerstone of a self centered society and everything that involves fellowship or socialism is quickly swifted away as the devil`s work.
They are the reason why countless of companies have gone bankrupt because they feed on the broken patentsystem that involves shapes, or any basic technique/base that involves pretty much any product. They made a patent system that is revolved around cashing in money, not protecting unique products or encouraging other to invent new products. Its the opposite, they bankrupt companies in the start up that have little money and discourage other from trying to grow and expand and inventing new things
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I agree with you that when you look at the big picture, much of how the patent system works here and how business is done could use a large amount of improving. But with that said, I'm not sure that Nvidia getting caught and maybe even sued is the wrong thing in this case. The card's specs were plainly wrong. The 4GB 224GB/s bandwidth is not correct. L2 / ROP specs were not correct. Nvidia took some license with the specs, too much in my opinion. I hope they do get called out on this beyond just internet forums. I think doing nothing is rewarding this type of behavior and encouraging them to repeat it in the future.
Patent Trolling? ... What?
There is no patent... this is a consumer protection class action. A completely different thing altogether, with literally no relation to patent trolling other than the fact that lawyers represent clients in both
They advertised something that was false (i.e. GTX 970 has 64 ROPS when it does not). Pretty clearly false advertising if you're not delusional. Remember, what you think the law should be and what the law actually is are likely very different. In short, literally no one cares that you think this shouldnt be false advertising. Under the definition of false advertising the people via democratic governance have arrived at, it is false advertising.
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The VRAM segmentation/performance has nothing to do with using a 32-bit controller. It's a side-effect of the changes that came with disabling 1/8th of the L2 cache. Same thing with the lower active ROP count. It's explained here:
http://www.pcper.com/reviews/Graphi...Full-Memory-Structure-and-Limitations-GTX-970
I think it's plausible that this started as a legitimate mistake on nVidia's part, but they almost definitely realized it afterwards and didn't issue a correction, probably hoping it would just never be noticed.
Gloomy
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You don't seem to understand what the issue is. Look here:
All the memory controllers are there. One of them is not hooked up to the rest of the chip, but instead goes through its neighbor's connection.
I'd rather have nvidia pay a fine for false advertising so the money will be spent on something useful. If there's a class action there won't be much left after all the bureaucracy.
Class action suits don't really benefit the victims, but paying out enough in damages might keep nvidia from hiding problems a third time (bumpgate + VRAMgate).
And threat of suits has forced companies like Apple to "make things right" in the past.
And threat of suits has forced companies like Apple to "make things right" in the past.
If you can do 2+2 too, you will understand that if that 0.5GB partition only can access 32b of bus width, you can NEVER claim the card has full 256b. It is indeed as the editor claimed a XOR situation. A trully 256b part would have the same access speed across every chunk of memory, while the 970 has only 224b bus width for the 3.5Gb chunk, and the other chunk has only 32 bit. IT IS NOT ADDITIVE as you paint it. So please cut the nonsense.
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