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Lavabit Email Is Closed For Business

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I'm tempted to say "Well, they're not even pretending anymore", (in reference to the government pretending we have civil liberties and such) but haven't I heard that before...from like before I was born? Apparently this fight was lost long ago and it keeps getting lost on every new front, the latest being the internet.


You people gotta vote better or something. I dunno.
 
There is no right vote. They are all corrupt and out of touch with the real people in the world. Even those who could potentially be "good" for the people would just get pushed aside or outvoted at every chance by everyone else. There is no distinguishable difference in Republican/Democrat/Independents anymore. It's all about getting their friends rich.
 
Bitmessage looks pretty interesting. I'm still reading, and wrapping my head around it, but it looks like a good way to send encrypted messages. The downside is participants need to have it setup, and understand it before use. bitmessage.ch looks like it takes some of that hassle away, but since I don't fully understand it, I don't know what the implications for using that service are.

Anyway, for fully private communication, email seems just about unfixable, and requires trust in a third party. Setting up your own mail takes a lot of work, with a lot of places things can go wrong. This might be a good start, and not to difficult to get into amongst technically oriented friends.

bitmessage.ch
https://bitmessage.ch/

bitmessage main page
https://bitmessage.org/wiki/Main_Page

r/bitmessage
https://pay.reddit.com/r/bitmessage/
 
SlitheryDee said:
I'm tempted to say "Well, they're not even pretending anymore", (in reference to the government pretending we have civil liberties and such) but haven't I heard that before...from like before I was born? Apparently this fight was lost long ago and it keeps getting lost on every new front, the latest being the internet.


You people gotta vote better or something. I dunno.
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I guess that leaves only Ron Paul.
 
lxskllr said:
Lavabit and SilentCircle offered server side encryption, which barring subterfuge, would keep your email safe. SSL/TLS will encrypt traffic from your computer to the server, but not on the server itself.
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Thanks, that is kind of what I thought (just wanted to confirm). Neomailbox does this too, right? (server side encryption...)
 
Meractik said:
Thanks, that is kind of what I thought (just wanted to confirm). Neomailbox does this too, right? (server side encryption...)
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No, I don't think so. They offer Swiss privacy though. Email's hard to secure when you have to rely on someone else. Server side encryption is great, but what if it gets subverted? That could have happened to Lavabit, but they took the ethical route and shut down. IOW, I'd estimate a country with strong privacy policies and no encryption is about as good if not better than encryption in a country with weak privacy.
 
Ichinisan said:
I guess that leaves only Ron Paul.
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I've been doing write-ins.

Kind of "throwing vote away" territory....
But, I'm voting, counting toward turnout, and effectively putting in a vote of "All of the other choices suck."


I don't want to just do a "vote for the lesser evil" and then still have to feel guilty if that person gets into office: "I actually helped get this person elected. Time for a refreshing bath of Clorox and ammonia."




lxskllr said:
No, I don't think so. They offer Swiss privacy though. Email's hard to secure when you have to rely on someone else. Server side encryption is great, but what if it gets subverted? That could have happened to Lavabit, but they took the ethical route and shut down. IOW, I'd estimate a country with strong privacy policies and no encryption is about as good if not better than encryption in a country with weak privacy.
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The traffic still has to make it to their servers though, without being quietly copied en route.

And even so, privacy policies are nice and all, but encrypt on top of it. Trust, but verify - or in this case, ensure.
We've allegedly got a pretty old policy in the US regarding unreasonable search and seizure. Policy doesn't do much if people can just ignore it when it's convenient or profitable.
 
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Jeff7 said:
I've been doing write-ins.

Kind of "throwing vote away" territory....
But, I'm voting, counting toward turnout, and effectively putting in a vote of "All of the other choices suck."


I don't want to just do a "vote for the lesser evil" and then still have to feel guilty if that person gets into office: "I actually helped get this person elected. Time for a refreshing bath of Clorox and ammonia."
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I wish more people would do this. "The lesser evil" is bullshit. Vote for the one you believe in. If that's Obama, then fine. You did your part. If you really like Johnson, but vote Obama as part of some retarded strategy, you're perverting the system, and are a bad American.
 
Jeff7 said:
The traffic still has to make it to their servers though, without being quietly copied en route.

And even so, privacy policies are nice and all, but encrypt on top of it. Trust, but verify - or in this case, ensure.
We've allegedly got a pretty old policy in the US regarding unreasonable search and seizure. Policy doesn't do much if people can just ignore it when it's convenient or profitable.
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You're kind of right, but there's still a lot of factors that have to be weighed against each other. I've promoted Yandex because it's Russian, but some say it's as bad as Google because the Russians look at it. That doesn't bother me so much. Is Putin gonna come to my house and kick my ass? I doubt it. I also doubt they're gonna cooperate with the USA, which is much closer to home for me.

None of the email options are great, and blind faith has to be used at some point, with estimates being made regarding risk, and integrity. It takes knowledge about (sometimes covert)politics, and world events, as well as laws for various world jurisdictions. Something other than email is needed. I linked to bitmessage above. I'm not convinced that's the answer, but it's a step in the right direction. Trust should never have to be placed in a third party if one wants security.
 
ImpulsE69 said:
There is no right vote. They are all corrupt and out of touch with the real people in the world. Even those who could potentially be "good" for the people would just get pushed aside or outvoted at every chance by everyone else. There is no distinguishable difference in Republican/Democrat/Independents anymore. It's all about getting their friends rich.
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Yep pretty much. The government is a machine with an agenda for it's very own purpose. The people who are voted are simply to make people think they have some level of control, but no matter who those people are the machine's agenda does not really change. People always hate on whoever is the president, but the president is just a puppet controlled by the machine.
 
Records unsealed today.

Hilton ruled for the government. “[The] government’s clearly entitled to the information that they’re seeking, and just because you-all have set up a system that makes that difficult, that doesn’t in any way lessen the government’s right to receive that
information just as they could from any telephone company or any other e-mail source that could provide it easily,” said Hilton.

The judge also rejected Lavabit’s motion to unseal the record. “This is an ongoing criminal investigation, and there’s no leeway to disclose any information about it.”

In an interesting work-around, Levison complied the next day by turning over the private SSL keys as an 11 page printout in 4-point type. The government, not unreasonably, called the printout “illegible.”

“To make use of these keys, the FBI would have to manually input all 2,560 characters, and one incorrect keystroke in this laborious process would render the FBI collection system incapable of collecting decrypted data,” prosecutors wrote.
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:^D

Levison's awesome. That's the kind of of douchebaggery I can get behind, and would probably do the same thing. Fuck everything about domestic spying.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/lavabit_unsealed
 
lxskllr said:
Records unsealed today.



:^D

Levison's awesome. That's the kind of of douchebaggery I can get behind, and would probably do the same thing. Fuck everything about domestic spying.

http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/lavabit_unsealed
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Beyond sickening.

I cannot put into words how much i despise what the USA has become.
Sadly, as neighbor to such corrupt scum, i fear it's only a matter of time before things are similarly terrifying here. D:
 
n7 said:
Beyond sickening.

I cannot put into words how much i despise what the USA has become.
Sadly, as neighbor to such corrupt scum, i fear it's only a matter of time before things are similarly terrifying here. D:
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Yea, it's a load of shit. I consider everyone involved traitors. They're playing word games, and using legal doctrine that barely(and I contest that) skirts the law, while totally obliterating the Constitution as anyone with a gram of sense would understand it. The system is corrupt from the bottom to the top, and we need to clean house. I'm at the point of not understanding what an American is, and whether I'm one or not. We're doing everything we ridiculed those filthy commies for 30 years ago. So what's that make us? Are we Americans now, or were we Americans then?
 
randay said:
i wonder how many terrorists used lavabit.
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That's the thing, pure privacy is a 2-edged sword. On one hand, no government snooping. On the other hand, pedophiles, terrorists, etc. But it's the same with anything - they can't come into your home without being invited or without a warrant, but then you get people like Ariel Castro who run dungeons in their homes. And that stuff is like roaches - you catch one guy, but you know there are ten more just like him that you can't see.

I don't know what the right answer is, or how to find an appropriate balance between privacy and security, but the story of domestic spying just gets more disturbing as time goes on. But at the same time, I'd rather have them eavesdrop on me if it also means that they catch a terrorist somewhere, you know? It's a tough call.
 
Kaido said:
That's the thing, pure privacy is a 2-edged sword. On one hand, no government snooping. On the other hand, pedophiles, terrorists, etc. But it's the same with anything - they can't come into your home without being invited or without a warrant, but then you get people like Ariel Castro who run dungeons in their homes. And that stuff is like roaches - you catch one guy, but you know there are ten more just like him that you can't see.

I don't know what the right answer is, or how to find an appropriate balance between privacy and security, but the story of domestic spying just gets more disturbing as time goes on. But at the same time, I'd rather have them eavesdrop on me if it also means that they catch a terrorist somewhere, you know? It's a tough call.
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Remember that all of this spying did nothing whatsoever to prevent the Boston Marathon bombings.

This is not to fight terrorists.
 
There is no balance. The Constitution should be an immovable rock, and the government needs to work around it. If some "terrorists" get through, or they don't have the depth of intelligence they like, well, tough shit. That's the price that needs to be paid for freedom. Freedom isn't guaranteed safety. That's nowhere close to the definition, and trade offs reduce everyone's potential.
 
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