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Lavabit Email Is Closed For Business

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I agree if you are talking about 2 parties using private infrastructure to communicate.

The issue is when you introduce a 3rd party like a Google or a Facebook.
When you use their services you agree they can use your information for whatever they want. If they choose to give it to an advertiser or a government that is their prerogative and the expectation of privacy is something you give up in exchange for the use of their 'free' services.

In this case Lavabit was a successful company who was attacked because they wouldn't be coerced and a main selling point was privacy.

Regarding Google, neither their terms of service or privacy policy states that they can do anything they want. They cover circumstances where they may release information, not give Harry access to your emails for 5 bucks.
 
Interesting....and scary.

The world is changing, and not for the better, regardless how the government tries to spin it.

Don't do anything illegal, and you have nothing to worry about. If you simply abide by the laws, do your job, and don't commit any crimes, what is there to worry about? They are doing this for your protection. There are people that making a living off of committing crimes that other people end up having to pay for, those are the people they are going after.
 
The Microsoft thing about subverting their users to curry favor thing I would like to know more about, my company has ties to them and I'd like to know how much more shady than normal they're acting..

Outlook backdoor

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/0...ft_added_outlookencryption_backdoor_for_feds/

Skype backdoor

http://techrights.org/2013/06/22/nsa-and-skype/

NSA "helped" MS with Windows Vista, 7, and presumably 8. A placed backdoor was was poopoo'd by some in the security industry at the time, because MS "wouldn't do that". I think recent news indicates the exact opposite.

http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9141105/NSA_helped_with_Windows_7_development#

MS gives software bugs to intelligence, for exploitative use, gets intelligence in return.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/...-bigger-potential-intelligence-leak-Microsoft
 
So how would be he best way for one to keep their email private? Host your own domain and e-mail server?
 
So how would be he best way for one to keep their email private? Host your own domain and e-mail server?

Probably, but setting up email can be tricky, and you could end up pwning yourself. Also, it isn't very easy doing it from a home connection, which would otherwise be ideal. If you wanted to pay some money, a host in a country like Switzerland would probably be good, but like everything else contracted out, you're at the mercy of their integrity as far as security goes.
 
Running your own is best bet. The way I do it is the online server is just a temporary email store. It has the MX record and all that and as far as the internet is aware it's the final end point. At home on my main server I also have a mail server, it fetches mail from my accounts that are online, via secure pop3. Then from that point on I access it via imap locally.

The downside of that setup is if someone sends me an email I will only get it within the next poll interval. I have it set to 5 minutes so it's only an issue if I'm on the phone and someone sends me something, in that case I just ssh in and force a poll.

If my online server was to get compromised by the government there would not be much of value on it, and my sites are local on my network (dev/test environment + DB backups) so it would be nothing for me to rehost them elsewhere. Though the US government tend to go a step further, they also hijack the domains. So really no matter what you're kinda screwed. :/
 
Don't do anything illegal, and you have nothing to worry about. If you simply abide by the laws, do your job, and don't commit any crimes, what is there to worry about? They are doing this for your protection. There are people that making a living off of committing crimes that other people end up having to pay for, those are the people they are going after.

It has nothing to do with doing anything illegal. Laws change. What is legal today may not be legal in the future. What is acceptable today may be looked down upon tomorrow.

I get the impression those who think that the only ones who have to be worried about the erosion of privacy and rights have no concept of history and how corrupt people in power can be. By your definition, the Jews were doing things illegally...you know..because they were Jews, and black people should still be enslaved, because you know at one time it was illegal for them to be free. Both extreme examples, but they are the EXACT same thing as what our government is pulling now, and those that turn a blind eye because "they are doing no wrong" are in for a rude awakening in the future. History repeats itself.

Our government is not always truthful and are NOT always doing things in "we the people's" best interest. Always question, that is what this country is about.
 
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It has nothing to do with doing anything illegal. Laws change. What is legal today may not be legal in the future. What is acceptable today may be looked down upon tomorrow.

I get the impression those who think that the only ones who have to be worried about the erosion of privacy and rights have no concept of history and how corrupt people in power can be. By your definition, the Jews were doing things illegally...you know..because they were Jews, and black people should still be enslaved, because you know at one time it was illegal for them to be free. Both extreme examples, but they are the EXACT same thing as what our government is pulling now, and those that turn a blind eye because "they are doing no wrong" are in for a rude awakening in the future. History repeats itself.

Our government is not always truthful and are NOT always doing things in "we the people's" best interest. Always question, that is what this country is about.

http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/0...is-the-wrong-way-to-think-about-surveillance/
 
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Only terrorists need privacy. Normal people dont mind the FBI monitoring you at your ISP without your knowledge or consent.



Ive told the story a million times here. I did one "questionable" search and the next morning a deputy was outside my door doing physical surveillance and taking written notes to send a message "we know what you are planning and are watching you".

Beware. Your thoughts are not your own. What you think can and will get you into trouble.
 
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Don't do anything illegal, and you have nothing to worry about. If you simply abide by the laws, do your job, and don't commit any crimes, what is there to worry about? They are doing this for your protection. There are people that making a living off of committing crimes that other people end up having to pay for, those are the people they are going after.
hahahahaaaaa...I just love sheeple!!
 
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Only terrorists need privacy. Normal people dont mind the FBI monitoring you at your ISP without your knowledge or consent.



Ive told the story a million times here. I did one "questionable" search and the next morning a deputy was outside my door doing physical surveillance and taking written notes to send a message "we know what you are planning and are watching you".

Beware. Your thoughts are not your own. What you think can and will get you into trouble.

Xavier can kill the whole world with a thought. Better watch out and always wear that Mag helmet.
 
Don't do anything illegal, and you have nothing to worry about. If you simply abide by the laws, do your job, and don't commit any crimes, what is there to worry about? They are doing this for your protection. There are people that making a living off of committing crimes that other people end up having to pay for, those are the people they are going after.

This has got to be a parody. Maybe it's a bit from a future Monty Python reunion.
 
Don't do anything illegal, and you have nothing to worry about. If you simply abide by the laws, do your job, and don't commit any crimes, what is there to worry about? They are doing this for your protection. There are people that making a living off of committing crimes that other people end up having to pay for, those are the people they are going after.

That's all well and good when you have a just government, but such a thing doesn't last. If you are completely ignorant of human nature, history, and current events, your statement almost makes sense.

Similar statements to "don't do anything illegal, and you have nothing to worry about" have been repeated in every single police state and dictatorship to this day. When secret police start carrying away members of the formerly-free press for being "dissidents", don't say you weren't warned. There are always internal enemies of the state who are imprisoned, tortured, or killed unjustly, and found more easily when the government can easily monitor all communications. It's not just journalists who live in fear in many countries today, it's people who practice other religions (or any religion, as in the past with very heavy-handed Communist nations), outspoken business people, educators who teach other than the approved material, etc.

If that sounds overly dramatic and a farfetched, Orwellian tale, just take a look at the world and history. Broad powers to conduct surveillance covertly with little or no oversight enables dictatorships and oppressive regimes. Not just for relatively tiny states like North Korea or Syria, but massive nations of the recent past and present like the USSR and China. Democracy doesn't mean squat in the long run if you give a few people the power of and over thousands and millions without enough checks on their power. Even Rome was a republic to begin with.

There is no magical barrier preventing the United States from becoming like many of the failed nation states that have come before or that exist today. All it takes is for us to keep shrugging our shoulders. The road to such a state of affairs can be gradual or quick, and technology allows for the much quicker road. If revolutions can take place practically overnight with the aid of Twitter and Facebook - a thing many would have thought unlikely if anyone had even dreamed of it 30 or 40 years ago - dictatorships can rise in a little longer period of time with the restriction and/or surveillance of such technologies, the removal of even the possibility of anonymity, and the monitoring of all traffic.

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it"

Even if you don't want to look at the past or the future, just see what this is doing to the political and economic goodwill that the government and U.S. businesses have with the rest of the world. Especially in high tech segments of the market like cloud storage. Who wants to have their data hosted or routed through the U.S. if it's being examined? And all that infrastructure to do so comes from taxpayer money. That comes from your wallet and mine. Do we even know what the "return" on our investment is? Can the NSA/FBI/whoever even disclose exactly how effective these programs are? It's not just that the government is spying on us, it's that they are doing so opaquely, even to other parts of the government, with very little accountability. If "we the people" can't hold our government accountable then we really can't be called a democracy. Instead, citizens like Edward Snowden who are trying to hold the government accountable are being held accountable for revealing the truth.

It's sad when the U.S. government attempts to chase down a technology expert-turned-whistleblower across countries and lay off 90% of the NSA's system admins because of revelations of it spying on its own people.
 
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Running your own is best bet. The way I do it is the online server is just a temporary email store. It has the MX record and all that and as far as the internet is aware it's the final end point. At home on my main server I also have a mail server, it fetches mail from my accounts that are online, via secure pop3. Then from that point on I access it via imap locally.

The downside of that setup is if someone sends me an email I will only get it within the next poll interval. I have it set to 5 minutes so it's only an issue if I'm on the phone and someone sends me something, in that case I just ssh in and force a poll.

If my online server was to get compromised by the government there would not be much of value on it, and my sites are local on my network (dev/test environment + DB backups) so it would be nothing for me to rehost them elsewhere. Though the US government tend to go a step further, they also hijack the domains. So really no matter what you're kinda screwed. :/

Having mail on your own server doesn't escape surveillance if the people you communicate with have NSA backdoors on their mail hosts.
 
I successfully regrettably shifted my email back to my domain host from lavabit and they to offer SSL/TLS IMAP servers, given the nature of privacy this is great as its the same as lavabit (at least what I can see from the thunderbird client setup side...) what? if anything, is done differently server side to make lavabit/silentcircle more secure than the many other hosting entities offering SSL/TLS functionality?

Is it simply that they're not openly allowing government entities to see the data if they desire? or do they also implement some sort of architecture similar to Spideroak (so that not even they know what your using their service for..)? and if so.. when is it spideroaks turn to go belly up?

Anyone care to answer this? I am pretty curious... is there anything proprietary about the offerings of the SSL/TLS email (or some other back end implementation to use SSL/TLS + other methods server side..)? or is the "wow" factor with lavabit simply that they stood up to uncle sam and chose to close rather than comply...
 
I'll look into those. I don't need complete anonymity or protection from government surveillance as I'm not doing anything illegal or that would interest the government, I just want an email account that isn't a big hacker target. Last thing I need is someone getting at account information (not passwords, but login names and account numbers) that I sometimes have in emails, especially stuff like FTP/CMS logins as I'm setting up a few small websites.

Political tool much?
 
Don't do anything illegal, and you have nothing to worry about. If you simply abide by the laws, do your job, and don't commit any crimes, what is there to worry about? They are doing this for your protection. There are people that making a living off of committing crimes that other people end up having to pay for, those are the people they are going after.

Political tool much?
 
Learn to examine context. Thanks.

I did, thanks. You are basically giving a lame excuse AND a free government pass to illegally dig around just because YOU aren't doing anything illegal. I think you would be surprised to find out that so many laws are being passed yearly that by now you are undoubtedly doing something illegal possibly without even being aware of it.
 
I did, thanks. You are basically giving a lame excuse AND a free government pass to illegally dig around just because YOU aren't doing anything illegal. I think you would be surprised to find out that so many laws are being passed yearly that by now you are undoubtedly doing something illegal possibly without even being aware of it.

No, what I said was for my particular individual use case pertaining to that specific email account. Nowhere did I give the government a free pass, I just don't assume absolute security or anonymity for that email account, nor do I need it. That's all.
You are reading too much into what I said in that post.

And if you looked at the second post that I made in this thread, you would probably ascertain the fact that, no, I wouldn't be surprised "that so many laws are being passed yearly that by now you are undoubtedly doing something illegal possibly without even being aware of it."

I'm very aware that even breaking online ToS agreements - as frivolous and impossible to read as some of them are - can be construed as computer fraud and prosecuted as such. That's just an example, as I don't have the time nor a singular interest in law.

Context is everything.
 
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No, what I said was for my particular individual use case pertaining to that specific email account. Nowhere did I give the government a free pass.
You are reading too much into what I said in that post.

And if you looked at the second post that I made in this thread, you would probably ascertain the fact that, no, I wouldn't be surprised "that so many laws are being passed yearly that by now you are undoubtedly doing something illegal possibly without even being aware of it."

I'm very aware that even breaking online ToS agreements - as frivolous and impossible to read as some of them are - can be construed as computer fraud and prosecuted as such. That's just an example, as I don't have the time nor a singular interest in law.

Context is everything.

Yes, I read that post. You obviously felt the need (before I even commented) to clarify your previous post, which does not invalidate my comment about your original comment one bit.
 
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