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I can't agree with you more Mike. I've never been part of any other DC team than AnandTech and I've never thought of it either, simply because I've found a home here with great friends that are like family.

This latest episode with the RA and the Dimes project, and the things I'm hearing here today is changing my perspective on what I thought was the greatest dc team out there with the greatest teammates one could wish for..

I honestly hope the people (one surely can't call them teammates..) who are guilty of ruining this magnificant TeAm of ours start to realize that this is exactly what it says, a team and no one man show!! If these people want to crunch without competition and think only about their own personal gains, they should start their own team and crunch by themselves and in that way they will always be first and alone!!

Here are no dictators and bosses, everybody is free to do whatever project they feel like, whether on their own or in a team. In the end it's the team who benefits and that's what we're here for, I mean for what other reason would you be in a team.
 
I've been a part of this TeAm for a long, long time. And we've ALWAYS let the individual or individuals choose what projects they want to run. Team Anandtech is not about any one project, but doing as well in all projects that team members choose to do.

And if anyone has a problem with that, they can talk with my cane!

I don't know what' up with Dimes and RA yet, but we are ALL part of the same team. Pettyness and jealousy are unbecoming of TeAm members.

Come on, let's all work together!
 
Mike, amdxborg, RaySun2Be, I could not agree with you more. Team spirit is all about doing voluntarily what is best for the team.
In a team a certain common set of values is shared by the team members. Those who support those values work together to reach their common goal.

In matters Dimes: I will not look into past history because I do not know enough and because it is just that: past.
But the Team needs a boost. A team member has made it clear that the team was falling behind. It is a common value that the Team should be well represented and among the best and therefore I joined the Dimes-project.
It also so happened that I found the Dimes project interesting. Thus, through the team effort I learned something new, something that I would not have looked into othervise. So: the team gains some more points. I gain more knowledge. I also have the good feeling of helping the team. A win-win situation.

If somebody goes to a team for the glory, he/she will - sooner or later - loose respect because glory is very fickle and because glory - similar to money - evokes greed: you want more and more and more. If someone goes to a team for fun, play and friendship, he/she will gain respect. I prefer friendship and team spirit before glory, and I also think, that most of the team mates agree. A good team, where members collaborate, support each other (see Mike's post) will get good stats, which in turn reflects on the members.

In matters mini-teams: I like them. They do not detract from the team. They add fun. This is not a matter of being just - it is a matter of having fun and helping the team. If someone wants to do it standing on his head so be it. Send a pic! If someone else wants to do this with some other team members, so be it. If a third mate wants to crunch by himself, so be it. If someone wants to change projects every week - every month - every year or never at all, so be it. No one looses, the team has a member enjoying him/herself and therefore cruncing more. A win-win-situation.

Edit: added last paragraph.
 
Originally posted by: petrusbroder
Mike, amdxborg, RaySun2Be, I could not agree with you more. Team spirit is all about doing voluntarily what is best for the team.
In a team a certain common set of values is shared by the team members. Those who support those values work together to reach their common goal.

In matters Dimes: I will not look into past history because I do not know enough and because it is just that: past.
But the Team needs a boost. A team member has made it clear that the team was falling behind. It is a common value that the Team should be well represented and among the best and therefore I joined the Dimes-project.
It also so happened that I found the Dimes project interesting. Thus, through the team effort I learned something new, something that I would not have looked into othervise. So: the team gains some more points. I gain more knowledge. I also have the good feeling of helping the team. A win-win situation.

If somebody goes to a team for the glory, he/she will - sooner or later - loose respect because glory is very fickle and because glory - similar to money - evokes greed: you want more and more and more. If someone goes to a team for fun, play and friendship, he/she will gain respect. I prefer friendship and team spirit before glory, and I also think, that most of the team mates agree. A good team, where members collaborate, support each other (see Mike's post) will get good stats, which in turn reflects on the members.
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Great post

Onward and upward 😛
 
Originally posted by: Freewolf
Originally posted by: Assimilator1
lol ,your right ,it'll be my 6th anniversary 😉

Ray
LMAO 😀

Wolfsraider
I can't remember if we've already offered you a boost ,but I'm sure the TaBoo team would be more than happy to get you to 10k 🙂
Though I will warn you IF SETI stay on target we'll be pushed to do Eltano & you in time! ,....bah we like a challenge😉
LMK either way
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Perhaps this will refresh your memory.

"petrusbroder,
The idea behind TABOO was to help long time members reach their milestones. Team mates that have been with the team for quite awhile & have been actively crunching for all or most of that time.
Mike is certainly fits that catagory & is a great & deserving team mate but, IMO, if he really was interested in getting the milestone certificate he wouldn't have been crunching for the RA... he would of been crunching under his own account.

I hope everyone understands what i mean here... i'm not the most eloquent writer.
And certainly no offense to Mike. If he wants help we can add him to the list.

This is all my own opinion & i certainly don't speak for the entire TABOO members"
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That was my responce to asking if TABOO would help Mike in a race & i stand by it... all of it.
As i said then i never meant to hold anyone back or make anyone mad. I hope that's still the case.

 
I haven't been here long, but I will have to agree with Wolfsraider, RaySun2Be, and petrusbroder on the mini-team issue. I see nothing wrong with them. As long as everyone is crunching for the same team, it doesn't matter what name they are crunching under or if multiple people are using that same name or even what project they are currently working on, because they are still crunching for the same team - this team. If some people have more fun crunching together, and you don't like it, team up with others who don't like it and try and beat them. 🙂

In the end the point of crunching isn't for personal gain or fame or glory, its to help complete these projects as soon as possible so that the results can be spread to whatever field they apply to and we can help out humanity. It is finding the cure to cancer or aids, discovering a new drug to combat a deadly disease, or finding ET that really matters. And if people crunching together is going to make them have more fun and because of that put more CPU time into these projects, then let them!
 
Originally posted by: CheesePoofs
I haven't been here long, but I will have to agree with Wolfsraider, RaySun2Be, and petrusbroder on the mini-team issue. I see nothing wrong with them. As long as everyone is crunching for the same team, it doesn't matter what name they are crunching under or if multiple people are using that same name or even what project they are currently working on, because they are still crunching for the same team - this team. If some people have more fun crunching together, and you don't like it, team up with others who don't like it and try and beat them. 🙂

In the end the point of crunching isn't for personal gain or fame or glory, its to help complete these projects as soon as possible so that the results can be spread to whatever field they apply to and we can help out humanity. It is finding the cure to cancer or aids, discovering a new drug to combat a deadly disease, or finding ET that really matters. And if people crunching together is going to make them have more fun and because of that put more CPU time into these projects, then let them!
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Very Nicely Put 🙂

Originally posted by: Spacehead
Originally posted by: Freewolf
Originally posted by: Assimilator1
lol ,your right ,it'll be my 6th anniversary 😉

Ray
LMAO 😀

Wolfsraider
I can't remember if we've already offered you a boost ,but I'm sure the TaBoo team would be more than happy to get you to 10k 🙂
Though I will warn you IF SETI stay on target we'll be pushed to do Eltano & you in time! ,....bah we like a challenge😉
LMK either way
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Perhaps this will refresh your memory.

"petrusbroder,
The idea behind TABOO was to help long time members reach their milestones. Team mates that have been with the team for quite awhile & have been actively crunching for all or most of that time.
Mike is certainly fits that catagory & is a great & deserving team mate but, IMO, if he really was interested in getting the milestone certificate he wouldn't have been crunching for the RA... he would of been crunching under his own account.

I hope everyone understands what i mean here... i'm not the most eloquent writer.
And certainly no offense to Mike. If he wants help we can add him to the list.

This is all my own opinion & i certainly don't speak for the entire TABOO members"
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That was my responce to asking if TABOO would help Mike in a race & i stand by it... all of it.
As i said then i never meant to hold anyone back or make anyone mad. I hope that's still the case.
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I take no offense Spacehead :beer:

user, team, mini-team whatever

I just want it to be fun, for everybody, no matter what.

We are a team or are we a group of individuals calling ourselves a team.

That is the issue I am concerned with.


Mike
 
We are a diverse TeAm with a lot of different ideas and different projects to crunch.
We all do the projects we are individually interested in and we do it together with our friends & TeAm mates.

Each one of us has some investment in terms of hardware, software and electricity devoted to the projects of our choice. This works well with a large TeAm like ours, there's always enough to go around.

If Seti1 ends in November there are quite a few of us who will be thinking about putting our boxes on other projects, fortunately there are enough differing projects to keep us all interested and able to continue crunching for the TeAm. 😉
 
Originally posted by: Wolfsraider
We are a team or are we a group of individuals calling ourselves a team.
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This would be ideal. But it takes some (me for instance) longer to get the idea. And even though they are individuals they can still be part of the TeAm.

We can be patient with them; and be sensitive too as they learn. (I am getting 😕 here, am I a we or a them :roll: both sometimes I guess 😉 )

But, Mike, maybe you are too sensitive to them, to your harm. If someone says mini-teams are not fair, that is their mis-understanding and you can try to explain your position, but to bow out doesn't seem right and you should not have to do that.

Let's remember that some new members have been bit by a certain DC bug (project) and they are excited about this new thing - and "shouldn't everyone be doing this new thing I am so excited about?"

LOL, maybe we need something like this:

Hello, my name is GLeeM and I am a med project snob.

Don't know if I made sense, but have been fussing over this post too long already.
 
Originally posted by: Smoke
I'll believe it when I see it. 😛
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Same here, I'll believe when I see the cold corpse with a stake through it's chest. This beast started life as a two year project.
 
Originally posted by: RaySun2Be
I've been a part of this TeAm for a long, long time. And we've ALWAYS let the individual or individuals choose what projects they want to run. Team Anandtech is not about any one project, but doing as well in all projects that team members choose to do.

And if anyone has a problem with that, they can talk with my cane!

I don't know what' up with Dimes and RA yet, but we are ALL part of the same team. Pettyness and jealousy are unbecoming of TeAm members.

Come on, let's all work together!
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I completely agree!

But I must admit I'm somewhat bemused (I guess I've missed certain threads?) ,as far as I've seen I don't recall anyone bitching about mini teams being unfair (which is bloody ridiculous) ,at least not since Eugene Stover left (he didn't like company fleets or mini teams!:roll: & he might of been 1 of those 'few members' mike mentioned ), so what's been happening? 😕.I assume its threads outside of S@H & DPAD which is why I have no idea?

I'm also somewhat puzzled as to why this was replied to in response to an offer of help by TaBoo (me in this instance) ,is there a connection?.You can replie via PM if you like ,I don't bite😉

I think its totally out of order if some people have been giving you aggro for changing projects ,we can run what we like afterall!.
I know I & others have tried to gently encourage people from leaving S@H1 team to 'stay the course' to keep BBR back but when people have made up their minds then we wish them luck in their new project & thank them for the help they've given.A recent example of this can been seen in the last page or 2 of the TaBoo thread 🙂.

Originally posted by: Wolfsraider

Originally posted by: Assimilator1


Wolfsraider
I can't remember if we've already offered you a boost ,but I'm sure the TaBoo team would be more than happy to get you to 10k 🙂
Though I will warn you IF SETI stay on target we'll be pushed to do Eltano & you in time! ,....bah we like a challenge😉
LMK either way
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I understand, my vote goes for you guys to get Eltano over the line and good luck. Go TeAm TABOO!!!!!

....

Mike
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Err , you misunderstood ,we didn't vote Eltano over you , we were already crunching for him.I just had in mind that we could help you afterwards (if you accepted) but that I wasn't sure if we would have time to get you to 10k too.

Do you want a boost then?🙂

Freewolf
I believe spacehead was just making the point that Mike didn't appear to be so bothered about hitting targets in his own account at the time as he was crunching for a mini team(nothing wrong with that 🙂).
I made this 2nd offer to him as it seemed he is interested in hitting 10k in his account now 🙂 (though I had forgotten about the 1st offer😱,its not relevant now).
It wasn't a snub last time but an understanding of the situation which wasn't challenged.
If you hadn't misunderstood that in the 1st place then scrub these last 2 lines 😉

Btw folks we've managed to hijack this thread 😱 ,it was supposed to be about info on the ending of S@H1 😉
 
Originally posted by: Hellburner
Originally posted by: Smoke
I'll believe it when I see it. 😛
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Same here, I'll believe when I see the cold corpse with a stake through it's chest. This beast started life as a two year project.
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lol ,though I think we can start taking bets on it now 😉

 
I think I'll be completely abandoning S@H then.... not enthused by the BOINC software/client to be honest - I just don't like it.

Are there any others who think the same about BOINC or is that just me?
 
BOINC wont work for me if you can't take WU's on media to machines that have no (or no approved) internet access. Like in my case, I have approval to run whatever I want but I'm not sure I have approval to transmit work over the network so I don't.
Whatever project I switch to will have this requirement or I wont be doing it.
 
Originally posted by: Assimilator1
Originally posted by: Hellburner
Originally posted by: Smoke
I'll believe it when I see it. 😛
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Same here, I'll believe when I see the cold corpse with a stake through it's chest. This beast started life as a two year project.
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lol ,though I think we can start taking bets on it now 😉
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ROFL; I bet two beers (one stout and one dark) that Seti@Home classic will end before Christmas (=25th of december 2005). Any takers? 😛
 
Originally posted by: vss1980
I think I'll be completely abandoning S@H then.... not enthused by the BOINC software/client to be honest - I just don't like it.

Are there any others who think the same about BOINC or is that just me?
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Hmm, I thought so before BOINC version 4.35. Now I have just very few problems - the biggest being the inabilty to sort the projects according deadline or name ... 🙂

BOINC runs very well on my PIIIs, on a P4 (HT), Celeron (old), Celeron (new), Athlon XP, Athlon Thunderbird, Athlon 64+, Sempron, PPC G4, PPC G5. It runs well under Win XP, OS X, Suse-Linus v. 8 and 9. Considering this BOINC is really cross-platform. I like that.
None of machines crashes: 3 of my comps have been running 24/7 without reboot since May 4, 2005. OK, BOINC takes some overhead, but not too much at all.

I am running other clients too (seti@home, dimes) and I hade more probs with seti than with BOINC.

I am not trying to convince anybody to use BOINC when seti-classic is ended. I am just reporting my experiences with this platform. It is developing fast, more and more bugs are being eliminated. I'll stick to it when not crunching for TAS - unless TAS chooses a BOINC-project ... 🙂

Personal preferrence are important, because crunching is supposed to be fun and give enjoyment. So, enjoy crunching, Team Mates, and have fun. This diversity is what makes this team tick - with that comes the diverse knowledge about clients, platforms, hardware and all that stuff, and that is most satisfying!
 
Yeah petrusbroder, those are the kind of things that bug me - however I just generally find the BOINC client to have an over-complicated way of achieving something that should be simple. And I'm not too fond of the method of choosing/including projects, etc.

I like the idea but just don't agree with the implementation.
I suppose over the years seeing such good work and self-contained nicely worked clients such as the d.net RC5/OGR client, etc., has spoiled my thinking.
 
Originally posted by: vss1980
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... however I just generally find the BOINC client to have an over-complicated way of achieving something that should be simple. ...

I like the idea but just don't agree with the implementation.
I suppose over the years seeing such good work and self-contained nicely worked clients such as the d.net RC5/OGR client, etc., has spoiled my thinking.
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Yes, you are quite right. It is overcomplicated. I could very well be without the stats-tab and some other stuff; how was it said some time ago? KISS - "keep it sinple st--d" and boinc does not do that.

OTOH, quite a few crunchers (especially those who run the prog occasionally want something "sexy"), which looks good, is more or less ID10T - error proof etc, and then things become overly difficult an dcomplicated.

I also like simple clients. But most of the time you need a lot of different clients for different platforms, and for the windows platform (especially if you want graphics - which I do not) there were quite a lot of incompatibilities - mostly with graphics. For less used platforms such as Linux - it was hard finding clients ...

Well this does not matter too much - I get my favorite projects crunched, and I enjoy the stats, the team and learning about the projects. And that is possible no matter what projects we run ...
 
If it's the look of the BOINC Manager you don't like, you don't even need to run it at all, you can use example BoincView instead, and this have sorting on whatever column you wants. If you don't like BoincView, or can't find another tool that meets your requirements, just develop your own Manager...

As for "attaching" to projects, in v5 you need to supply url of a project to the client, and just like "classic" choose username/password for new/old account.
Well, example project-url can actually be pre-configured when downloading from a specific project, example BBC should have a cumstomized CPDN/BOINC-version available for distribution in January 2006.

BOINC also includes support for "Account Manager", meaning can go to one web-site and select multiple projects you wants to join at once... but AFAIK this isn't finalized yet, it's atleast no available web-site to choose projects at yet...


Anyway, the BOINC client have no problem handling 10+ projects at once on one computer, even with wastly different system-requirements, crunch-times and deadlines, and regardless of resource-shares for different projects. For users wanting more "micro-management", can pause individual projects/results, and even abort results. If wants to shut down computer for holidays or similar, or wants to quit a project, "no new work" means can empty any queues so isn't stuck with work.
 
Well, it's the end of another era then. I've always wanted to hit the 10k mark (currently just over 5k) with Seti Classic, but time has run out and I've already moved on to FaD. Despite the possibility of credit transfer, it just ain't quite the same anymore with BOINC.
 
I feel the same way! I loved Seti classic for several years but was ready for it to end some time ago and so I have moved on. I still have a couple older boxes that crunch S@H for the RA and probably will continue to do so until the end.....not that they are really adding all that much but I figure I'll ride it out.

I haven't even tried the new versions and honestly a lot of it has to do with the terrible adminstration these people do. It's almost as if they act like nobody is doing this project and their reaction times reflect this. I'm surprised more haven't bailed on them than have!

I hope the S@H classic TeAm remembers all the promises made (I made them too) to the other teams and follows through on them to return the favor for all the times they jumped in and bailed out the S@H classic TeAm. We had some good runs and races that I will never forget so fortunatley there are good memories of S@H for me!
 
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