Last Vegas strip shooting: More than 20 dead, 100 injured after gunman opens fire near Mandalay Bay

[jmagg]

Can you blame her for a meltdown though? No one saw that coming and the laughter is just now subsiding from around the world at the stupidity of the American retards.

Similar to the way no one saw Brexit coming?

Many saw it coming, the polls were/are cherry picked BS.

 

[Ackmed]

It is very sad that there are those using scare tactics, that are completely false and made up. CNN and CBS are trying this, claiming things that are simply not true.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22019/watch-cnn-tries-explain-bump-stocks-animation-ryan-saavedra

CNN trying to show how a bump stock works. Yet they don't have one on there. Meanwhile, they use a 40MM grenade launcher and suppressor (or to Hillary, silencer). Both of which were NOT used by the shooter, but hey, it looks scary right? Might as well use it. Then they wonder why they get the name fake news.

CBS tweets;

While the guns Stephen Paddock used in Las Vegas fired automatic rounds, they were perfectly legal under ATF rules.

Trying to vilify the ATF, and make it out to be that the shooter used automatic rounds, instead of semi automatic rounds. Or that there is even such a thing in this instance.

Both trying to create fear, with bullshit claims and misinformation. Much like the people here, if they don't know what they're talking about, they shouldn't try. Or try to make things seem worse than they really are. Maybe these two things were posted, I haven't read the thread in about 40 pages and don't feel like looking.

 

[J.Wilkins]

Similar to the way no one saw Brexit coming?

Many saw it coming, the polls were/are cherry picked BS.

I saw it coming with the Russian £25 million support for UKIP and he apathy of the voters.

That was just as fucking stupid, people who didn't vote woke up to something they hadn't voted for or against because they were idiots...

Don't think I'll defend brexit or the UK voters because I sure as hell won't. The national pride in me is non-existent at this point in time, what was once there was wiped away with Blair saying "we don't care about British soldiers, we are going to do whatever Bush wants us to do and send in our troops first to die there" and then Cameron licking Obamas arse. All the while the UK was 90%+ against sending troops to Afghanistan and 99%+ against going with Bush on his fabulous adventure in Iraq.

Don't think we don't hold our politicians more responsible than you do, we most certainly do and soon May will be gone too, you can't survive without support from anyone on any side and with the people being 80%+ against your position.

Trump winning is the result of a failed democratic system, he didn't get the most votes but even that doesn't matter because in the US, in some states your vote doesn't count at all.

Not to mention, for some reason you have people convicted of felonies who paid their dues to society by doing time and they have to pay taxes but cannot vote, taxation without representation is alive and well, especially in a large minority segment but why would fascists care about that?

 

[J.Wilkins]

It is very sad that there are those using scare tactics, that are completely false and made up. CNN and CBS are trying this, claiming things that are simply not true.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22019/watch-cnn-tries-explain-bump-stocks-animation-ryan-saavedra

CNN trying to show how a bump stock works. Yet they don't have one on there. Meanwhile, they use a 40MM grenade launcher and suppressor (or to Hillary, silencer). Both of which were NOT used by the shooter, but hey, it looks scary right? Might as well use it. Then they wonder why they get the name fake news.

CBS tweets;


Trying to vilify the ATF, and make it out to be that the shooter used automatic rounds, instead of semi automatic rounds. Or that there is even such a thing in this instance.

Both trying to create fear, with bullshit claims and misinformation. Much like the people here, if they don't know what they're talking about, they shouldn't try. Or try to make things seem worse than they really are. Maybe these two things were posted, I haven't read the thread in about 40 pages and don't feel like looking.

I don't know if you are enormously stupid or just pretending to be enormously stupid but Hillary said "WHAT IF he had had a silencer" (her point being that they wouldn't have reacted since they wouldn't have heard it and she's correct. A silencer would muffle the sound enough so that people would not have heard it, that was her fucking point and if you had read what she said instead of StormFront bullshit you'd know that you utter piece of shit) and you are going with "she said he had a silencer and i know that because I read that on both StormFront and other forums just like StormFront.

A bump stock is a retarded invention of no use other than to fire into a crowd. If you have actually fired fully auto then imagine doing that with a lose stock.. Would that be of use? Of course not and you probably know that but you are playing a retards game of play pretend to make a non-existent point that you wish others would interpret as somehow relevant to reality even though you know it's not.

 

[brycejones]

CBS tweets;


Trying to vilify the ATF, and make it out to be that the shooter used automatic rounds, instead of semi automatic rounds. Or that there is even such a thing in this instance.

Both trying to create fear, with bullshit claims and misinformation. Much like the people here, if they don't know what they're talking about, they shouldn't try. Or try to make things seem worse than they really are. Maybe these two things were posted, I haven't read the thread in about 40 pages and don't feel like looking.

Poor CBS didn't use the gun nutter approved words.....so much fear. The man was using weapons that based on their rate of fire were for all intents and purposes automatic weapons. To pretend otherwise is stupid. Stating they were legal under ATF rules is just a statement of fact. Are you so uncomfortable with that fact you don't even want to discuss it?

 

[Thebobo]

It is very sad that there are those using scare tactics, that are completely false and made up. CNN and CBS are trying this, claiming things that are simply not true.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22019/watch-cnn-tries-explain-bump-stocks-animation-ryan-saavedra

CNN trying to show how a bump stock works. Yet they don't have one on there. Meanwhile, they use a 40MM grenade launcher and suppressor (or to Hillary, silencer). Both of which were NOT used by the shooter, but hey, it looks scary right? Might as well use it. Then they wonder why they get the name fake news.

CBS tweets;


Trying to vilify the ATF, and make it out to be that the shooter used automatic rounds, instead of semi automatic rounds. Or that there is even such a thing in this instance.

Both trying to create fear, with bullshit claims and misinformation. Much like the people here, if they don't know what they're talking about, they shouldn't try. Or try to make things seem worse than they really are. Maybe these two things were posted, I haven't read the thread in about 40 pages and don't feel like looking.

And yet another gun expert, get in line buddy.

It's only fake becuase you dont like the news.

 

[Bird222]

It is very sad that there are those using scare tactics, that are completely false and made up. CNN and CBS are trying this, claiming things that are simply not true.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22019/watch-cnn-tries-explain-bump-stocks-animation-ryan-saavedra

CNN trying to show how a bump stock works. Yet they don't have one on there. Meanwhile, they use a 40MM grenade launcher and suppressor (or to Hillary, silencer). Both of which were NOT used by the shooter, but hey, it looks scary right? Might as well use it. Then they wonder why they get the name fake news.

CBS tweets;


Trying to vilify the ATF, and make it out to be that the shooter used automatic rounds, instead of semi automatic rounds. Or that there is even such a thing in this instance.

Both trying to create fear, with bullshit claims and misinformation. Much like the people here, if they don't know what they're talking about, they shouldn't try. Or try to make things seem worse than they really are. Maybe these two things were posted, I haven't read the thread in about 40 pages and don't feel like looking.

I didn't know they had automatic and semi-automatic rounds.

 

[imported_tajmahal]

I didn't know they had automatic and semi-automatic rounds.

Yes, just like single shot rounds, lever action rounds and pump action rounds.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's sadly predictable that enthusiasts will seize upon any inaccurate nomenclature or awkward sentence structure by the press to say "See! They don't know what they're talking about!" in order to dismiss valid criticism.

 

[FIVR]

So I am revising my theory. I no longer think this guy was ISIS or a convert. I think the reason ISIS can be so sure about this to claim him (and not worry about being disproven) is I actually think Paddock tricked ISIS into claiming him as a "soldier" and obfuscating his motive by probably contacting them through telegram channels and telling him he was converting and wanted to do a terrorist attack. But I think he had planned this attack long before with different motives. Under such circumstances (ISIS being on its last legs and needing a propaganda win) they would be hard pressed to do any due diligence and "test" somebody willing to conduct such an attack. Paddock probably knew this, and also knew that ISIS making these claims would throw american intelligence agencies for a loop and probably he thought that Trump would buy it immediately even if the intelligence agencies didn't.


As for paddock's real motive, I think he wanted the "high score". The man sounds arrogant in the way he describes himself as "the greatest video poker player on earth". That is a dubious statement, given that the numbers reported for paddock's fortune have so far been in the 2-5$ million range. I think he was an angry, arrogant man who's family had a history of being treated badly (in his mind, at least) by the US government. I think he may have internalized his father's views on the government and accumulated weapons with the specific purpose of killing Americans and humiliating the US government as much as possible, in the process he sought to become the greatest mass murderer in US history. By all appearances he succeeded wildly on all fronts. The police are confused and he will go down in history as the most prolific mass murderer in history. Unless authorities start to figure this out fast there will be innumerable conspiracy theories to explain all the various stupid things Las Vegas PD have told us so far.


And that doesn't even touch on the huge question of "how did a security guard get shot 6 minutes before he goes on this rampage right outside that room and somehow Las Vegas PD doesn't storm it for another hour? That is incompetence if I've ever heard of it.

 

[Younigue]

I don't know if you are enormously stupid or just pretending to be enormously stupid but Hillary said "WHAT IF he had had a silencer" (her point being that they wouldn't have reacted since they wouldn't have heard it and she's correct. A silencer would muffle the sound enough so that people would not have heard it, that was her fucking point and if you had read what she said instead of StormFront bullshit you'd know that you utter piece of shit) and you are going with "she said he had a silencer and i know that because I read that on both StormFront and other forums just like StormFront.

A bump stock is a retarded invention of no use other than to fire into a crowd. If you have actually fired fully auto then imagine doing that with a lose stock.. Would that be of use? Of course not and you probably know that but you are playing a retards game of play pretend to make a non-existent point that you wish others would interpret as somehow relevant to reality even though you know it's not.

He's Enormously Stupid.

 

[Fenixgoon]

It's sadly predictable that enthusiasts will seize upon any inaccurate nomenclature or awkward sentence structure by the press to say "See! They don't know what they're talking about!" in order to dismiss valid criticism.

the problem is that incorrect terminology can change how something is perceived.

"automatic rounds" sound worse than "rounds" or "ammunition" in the generic sense.

or "assault weapon" vs "semi-automatic rifle"

or "large capacity magazine" vs "standard capacity magazine" - my 9mm pistol comes standard with 15rds, which is "large" and scary according to many states' arbitrary definitions

or "gunshow loophole" vs "private party sales regulation". people get pissed off at loopholes. no one gives a shit about regulations.

so yes, for some things it probably does make a difference. i don't give a shit about clips vs mags - the distinction there is not one of practical importance as far as legislation goes, and i highly doubt there's a perception difference for the vast majority people. but the rest of the above? i bet you'd see a difference if you made polls with the different terms.

 

[Jhhnn]

So I am revising my theory. I no longer think this guy was ISIS or a convert. I think the reason ISIS can be so sure about this to claim him (and not worry about being disproven) is I actually think Paddock tricked ISIS into claiming him as a "soldier" and obfuscating his motive by probably contacting them through telegram channels and telling him he was converting and wanted to do a terrorist attack. But I think he had planned this attack long before with different motives. Under such circumstances (ISIS being on its last legs and needing a propaganda win) they would be hard pressed to do any due diligence and "test" somebody willing to conduct such an attack. Paddock probably knew this, and also knew that ISIS making these claims would throw american intelligence agencies for a loop and probably he thought that Trump would buy it immediately even if the intelligence agencies didn't.


As for paddock's real motive, I think he wanted the "high score". The man sounds arrogant in the way he describes himself as "the greatest video poker player on earth". That is a dubious statement, given that the numbers reported for paddock's fortune have so far been in the 2-5$ million range. I think he was an angry, arrogant man who's family had a history of being treated badly (in his mind, at least) by the US government. I think he may have internalized his father's views on the government and accumulated weapons with the specific purpose of killing Americans and humiliating the US government as much as possible, in the process he sought to become the greatest mass murderer in US history. By all appearances he succeeded wildly on all fronts. The police are confused and he will go down in history as the most prolific mass murderer in history. Unless authorities start to figure this out fast there will be innumerable conspiracy theories to explain all the various stupid things Las Vegas PD have told us so far.


And that doesn't even touch on the huge question of "how did a security guard get shot 6 minutes before he goes on this rampage right outside that room and somehow Las Vegas PD doesn't storm it for another hour? That is incompetence if I've ever heard of it.

Puttin' together a conspiracy theory, huh? At least get the timeline right-

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/07/how-police-zeroed-las-vegas-gunman/737178001/

 

[Victorian Gray]

So I am revising my theory. I no longer think this guy was ISIS or a convert. I think the reason ISIS can be so sure about this to claim him (and not worry about being disproven) is I actually think Paddock tricked ISIS into claiming him as a "soldier" and obfuscating his motive by probably contacting them through telegram channels and telling him he was converting and wanted to do a terrorist attack. But I think he had planned this attack long before with different motives. Under such circumstances (ISIS being on its last legs and needing a propaganda win) they would be hard pressed to do any due diligence and "test" somebody willing to conduct such an attack. Paddock probably knew this, and also knew that ISIS making these claims would throw american intelligence agencies for a loop and probably he thought that Trump would buy it immediately even if the intelligence agencies didn't.


As for paddock's real motive, I think he wanted the "high score". The man sounds arrogant in the way he describes himself as "the greatest video poker player on earth". That is a dubious statement, given that the numbers reported for paddock's fortune have so far been in the 2-5$ million range. I think he was an angry, arrogant man who's family had a history of being treated badly (in his mind, at least) by the US government. I think he may have internalized his father's views on the government and accumulated weapons with the specific purpose of killing Americans and humiliating the US government as much as possible, in the process he sought to become the greatest mass murderer in US history. By all appearances he succeeded wildly on all fronts. The police are confused and he will go down in history as the most prolific mass murderer in history. Unless authorities start to figure this out fast there will be innumerable conspiracy theories to explain all the various stupid things Las Vegas PD have told us so far.


And that doesn't even touch on the huge question of "how did a security guard get shot 6 minutes before he goes on this rampage right outside that room and somehow Las Vegas PD doesn't storm it for another hour? That is incompetence if I've ever heard of it.

Huh, ya don't say

He's not even close to the worst mass murder in the US let alone in history.

"On April 19, 1995, which was the 2nd anniversary of the end of the Branch Davidian siege, a truck bomb was parked under the day care center in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. It contained more than 4000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and the explosion was enormous with 324 nearby buildings damaged or destroyed while 168 people died and 680 were injured."

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2016/09/25/the-7-biggest-mass-murderers-in-american-history/8/

He's not even the largest mass shooter in history, that dubious record belongs to a Norwegian chap named Breivik.

You want to talk mass murder, how about Srebrenica. Roughly 8000 men and boys murdered by the Serbs. Paddock? In couple of years people will barely remember his name.

Daesh? ROFL

 

[imported_tajmahal]

Puttin' together a conspiracy theory, huh? At least get the timeline right-

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/07/how-police-zeroed-las-vegas-gunman/737178001/

They've changed the timeline the last I heard.
http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html

"Las Vegas gunman shot security guard a full six minutes before opening fire on concertgoers, police reveal"

 

[soundforbjt]

It's sadly predictable that enthusiasts will seize upon any inaccurate nomenclature or awkward sentence structure by the press to say "See! They don't know what they're talking about!" in order to dismiss valid criticism.

Yet they gave Hannity a pass, caught him calling a mag a clip the other day while he was bragging about how he was trained by his parents who had connections to law enforcement whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.

 

[woolfe9998]

Paranoid hyperbole isn't the answer.

So we might as well scrap the whole education system then. I mean nothing works right? Just pure anarchy in the streets. Let the world sink into idiocracy because zinfamous thinks people in America can't be taught.

Reality check. Just because you are a dumbfuck that can't learn anything, doesn't mean other people can't. Expecting me to come up with a syllabus and game plan to educate people about gun safety, history, and training is not my specialty. There are people who's sole joy in life is coming up with such educational plans. I leave that work to the experts instead of people like you who would rather let everyone remain in ignorance.

If you don't believe the education system on a whole is working then you have no idea how truly dumb most people on average wore 100+ years ago.

Serious question: if we can require everyone purchasing a gun to take a gun safety class, which I think is a good idea and one which you said you support so long as the class is free, then why do we need to teach gun safety in our public schools? Why should someone who will never own or operate a firearm use valuable educational time to learn proper gun safety?

 

[FIVR]

Puttin' together a conspiracy theory, huh? At least get the timeline right-

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2017/10/07/how-police-zeroed-las-vegas-gunman/737178001/

Before you make exorbitant claims of disproving this theory or that, you should get your information straight. Las Vegas PD "updated" (read: announced that up to this point the information they have been giving is false) the timeline so that 6 minutes before Paddock started shooting, the security guard confronted him and was shot in the hallway.

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-vegas-shooting-20171009-story.html


What is your explanation for why it took until an hour after shooting had stopped (and Paddock had apparently killed himself) for them to breach the room? If the security guard was shot, why weren't police immediately confronting the shooter? Why did they allow him to fire for 10-11 minutes into a crowd 6 minutes after he had already confronted security and shot somebody else?


My explanation, is they were afraid of the automatic gunfire coming from his room and were not willing to risk their lives to storm the building. Just like with the Orlando shooter, Las Vegas PD cared more about their own lives than the lives of the hundreds of people at that concert. So they died, and now the police have spent the last week telling us (false) stories about how the shooter was confronted by a guard and that stopped the shooting. And then later backtracking on that story.... and then acting "frustrated" that the news is interested in the details.


It is incompetence... but no doubt that is the usual state of things for US law enforcement. And we cannot have US law enforcement appear to be incompetent when we have brainwashed the nation into worshipping them. So there is much confusion.

 

[FIVR]

Huh, ya don't say

He's not even close to the worst mass murder in the US let alone in history.

"On April 19, 1995, which was the 2nd anniversary of the end of the Branch Davidian siege, a truck bomb was parked under the day care center in the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. It contained more than 4000 pounds of ammonium nitrate and the explosion was enormous with 324 nearby buildings damaged or destroyed while 168 people died and 680 were injured."

https://pjmedia.com/lifestyle/2016/09/25/the-7-biggest-mass-murderers-in-american-history/8/

He's not even the largest mass shooter in history, that dubious record belongs to a Norwegian chap named Breivik.

You want to talk mass murder, how about Srebrenica. Roughly 8000 men and boys murdered by the Serbs. Paddock? In couple of years people will barely remember his name.

Daesh? ROFL

Did you not read my post? I said "US history". He injured over 500 people and killed 59. That is the worst shooting in US history.


He also arguably did more damage than Breznik because he actually shot over 2x as many people and those people will be permanently disabled for the rest of their lives. Killing 65 and injuring only a few (or whatever) is not "less" damage than killing 59 and severely injuring 500.


You are dumb, and do not understand the concept of "theories". You provide no such theory of your own to counter mine, you just stupidly point to military operations that resulted in large amounts of deaths and foreign terrorists who in fact did less damage than Paddock. Try to understand that military operations are not the same as terrorist attacks by armed civilians on rampages. I figure that is a simple distinction... but perhaps your al-jazeera bot-espque posting style is a symptom of your own mental inadequacies, and perhaps I am asking too much of you.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Did you not read my post? I said "US history". He injured over 500 people and killed 59. That is the worst shooting in US history.


He also arguably did more damage than Breznik because he actually shot over 2x as many people and those people will be permanently disabled for the rest of their lives. Killing 65 and injuring only a few (or whatever) is not "less" damage than killing 59 and severely injuring 500.


You are dumb, and do not understand the concept of "theories". You provide no such theory of your own to counter mine, you just stupidly point to military operations that resulted in large amounts of deaths and foreign terrorists who in fact did less damage than Paddock. Try to understand that military operations are not the same as terrorist attacks by armed civilians on rampages. I figure that is a simple distinction... but perhaps your al-jazeera bot-espque posting style is a symptom of your own mental inadequacies, and perhaps I am asking too much of you.

You never stated "shooting". Your exact words were: "in the process he sought to become the greatest mass murderer in US history". He didn't manage it. Give him a participation trophy if you're that invested in this. Your post was idiocy and you're doubling down now.

You try too way too hard bunky.

 

[FIVR]

You never stated "shooting". Your exact words were: "in the process he sought to become the greatest mass murderer in US history". He didn't manage it. Give him a participation trophy if you're that invested in this. Your post was idiocy and you're doubling down now.

You try too way too hard bunky.

How is setting up to shoot thousands of people not "seeking" to become the greatest mass murderer in history? He did his best, and succeeded in terms of the US at least. That's pretty amazing, and it puts him in the top 5 on earth.


You cannot include bombings because he was not a bomber. He was a mass shooter. If you include bombings, then the US army are the "greatest mass murderers" in history. Is that your argument? That Paddock was right and the US government are the "real mass murderers"?

Sounds a lot like what al-Jazeera might think...

 

[pmv]

How is setting up to shoot thousands of people not "seeking" to become the greatest mass murderer in history? He did his best, and succeeded in terms of the US at least. That's pretty amazing, and it puts him in the top 5 on earth.


You cannot include bombings because he was not a bomber. He was a mass shooter. If you include bombings, then the US army are the "greatest mass murderers" in history. Is that your argument? That Paddock was right and the US government are the "real mass murderers"?

Sounds a lot like what al-Jazeera might think...

I think you are arguing out of personal pride rather than any meaningful political differences. Someone who kills innocents with a bomb is still a murderer, just as much as if they stab or strangle them. I am unaware of any special clause that says it's only murder if you use a firearm.

The question of whether those acting as part of a nation's military are 'murderers' is a whole other argument (how does the line go? "terrorists are people with bombs but no airforce" - not that I agree it's as simple as that, mind)

Also, your references to 'greatest' and 'amazing' are in danger of sounding like admiration.

I do think there must be a sort of bodycount inflation involved, and that there will be spree-killers with still larger casualty lists in future. I'm also pretty sure that that competitive factor among mass killers, combined with the declining level of gun ownership (and the wider social changes that are probably behind that) will mean eventually there will be a turning-point (or a series of them) with regard to gun laws, even if this event isn't it. I tend to be optimistic about that, even as I'm sure it will take quite a long time and a lot more deaths.

(I mean, it's not the most optimistic form of optimism, admittedly)

 

[Muse]

So I am revising my theory. I no longer think this guy was ISIS or a convert. I think the reason ISIS can be so sure about this to claim him (and not worry about being disproven) is I actually think Paddock tricked ISIS into claiming him as a "soldier" and obfuscating his motive by probably contacting them through telegram channels and telling him he was converting and wanted to do a terrorist attack. But I think he had planned this attack long before with different motives. Under such circumstances (ISIS being on its last legs and needing a propaganda win) they would be hard pressed to do any due diligence and "test" somebody willing to conduct such an attack. Paddock probably knew this, and also knew that ISIS making these claims would throw american intelligence agencies for a loop and probably he thought that Trump would buy it immediately even if the intelligence agencies didn't.


As for paddock's real motive, I think he wanted the "high score". The man sounds arrogant in the way he describes himself as "the greatest video poker player on earth". That is a dubious statement, given that the numbers reported for paddock's fortune have so far been in the 2-5$ million range. I think he was an angry, arrogant man who's family had a history of being treated badly (in his mind, at least) by the US government. I think he may have internalized his father's views on the government and accumulated weapons with the specific purpose of killing Americans and humiliating the US government as much as possible, in the process he sought to become the greatest mass murderer in US history. By all appearances he succeeded wildly on all fronts. The police are confused and he will go down in history as the most prolific mass murderer in history. Unless authorities start to figure this out fast there will be innumerable conspiracy theories to explain all the various stupid things Las Vegas PD have told us so far.


And that doesn't even touch on the huge question of "how did a security guard get shot 6 minutes before he goes on this rampage right outside that room and somehow Las Vegas PD doesn't storm it for another hour? That is incompetence if I've ever heard of it.

I think you are right on all counts, bravo. I know, that brings you no satisfaction (I figure), that's OK. Anyway, I want to congratulate you on keeping a clear vision in this.

Yeah, when I saw on the news last night that the cops had 8 days later changed the timeline to report that a cop had been shot 6 minutes before Paddock broke out the windows and started mowing people down I just couldn't believe my ears and had to REW a few times. Wha!? They could have stopped the rampage before it began if they were on it. They blew it. There must be some damn guilty feeling people in the departments, if they have a soul.

 

[Puffnstuff]

How is setting up to shoot thousands of people not "seeking" to become the greatest mass murderer in history? He did his best, and succeeded in terms of the US at least. That's pretty amazing, and it puts him in the top 5 on earth.

He did prove that we have a long way to go before we can claim to be a civilized society.

 

[FIVR]

I think you are right on all counts, bravo. I know, that brings you no satisfaction (I figure), that's OK. Anyway, I want to congratulate you on keeping a clear vision in this.

Yeah, when I saw on the news last night that the cops had 8 days later changed the timeline to report that a cop had been shot 6 minutes before Paddock broke out the windows and started mowing people down I just couldn't believe my ears and had to REW a few times. Wha!? They could have stopped the rampage before it began if they were on it. They blew it. There must be some damn guilty feeling people in the departments, if they have a soul.

The statements by Las Vegas PD have been baffling. I don't know what they are thinking in giving out false information repeatedly, then later telling the public that the information was wrong and giving more information. There must be another story there.... but I'm not sure we'll know what really happened for another year or two.


To me, it appears that Las Vegas PD are in "cover-up" mode in terms of their ability to stop this attack and their failure to do so. That is the only explanation I have for giving false information. You can tell they are very anxious and frustrated but I wonder if they are more frustrated in their own incompetence than anything else.