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Lasers could make virtual particles real

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I skimmed through the article, but it references a few "famous" experiments with which I'm not familiar.

After skimming through that article, it's clear that the laser field is broken down by these interactions. However, it's not clear whether the mass of the electron-positron pairs came from the vacuum energy or from the photon energy.

It's from the photon energy. The vacuum doesn't have enough energy to produce e/p pairs with any number.

The gist is that if you make a laser concentrated and powerful enough, you pack enough light energy into a small enough volume that you start creating e/p pairs. This disrupts the laser beam and destabilizes it. Dumping in more energy just makes it worse.
 
I don't understand why you all insist on calling it "the vacuum". Makes no sense to me to call it that. Seeing as empty space really isn't completely so, can we call it something else? Spacetime, the metric, manifold, or something? Sorry I don't mean to go off the topic on semantics but it's just too distracting.
 
I don't understand why you all insist on calling it "the vacuum". Makes no sense to me to call it that. Seeing as empty space really isn't completely so, can we call it something else? Spacetime, the metric, manifold, or something? Sorry I don't mean to go off the topic on semantics but it's just too distracting.

That's its name. And it is empty; the vacuum state is devoid of photons. Spacetime is something else. Spacetime usually refers to the Minkowski four-space where we now describe a state in terms of three spatial dimensions (x, y, z) and a time dimension (t). It helps in relativistic problems where time and spatial coordinates are now related. A manifold is also a different thing all together. A manifold is a geometric space. A line or circle are examples of one-dimensional manifolds. The surface of a sphere or toroid are two-dimensional manifolds.
 
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It is maintained in the simple e=mc^2 way. Photons have varying energy depending on wavelength.

c = 299792458
wave length of blue photon = 400nm
mass of electron = 9.11E-31kg
planck's constant h = 6.63E-34


m*c^2*2/(c/w*h) = 330000 blue photons to make 1 electron/positron pair.

Have to address this...


A photon is a quantum of energy. It cannot interact with anything but as an indivisible packet. To create a positron electron pair (which needs to be in the region of a nucleus to preserve conservation of momentum) a single photon must have at least the energy equivalent to the rest mass of BOTH the positron and an electron. This falls well within gamma frequency and could not possibly occur from any number of blue photons. Intensity has no bearing on this sort of reaction.

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What they use with the Titan laser in Lawrence is likely what the article is trying to talk about. Though with some different details in the laser target.

A high power laser is used to focus on a high Z material (such as gold foil). This laser (billions of joules) heats the target over a few picoseconds imparting a huge kinetic energy boost to the electrons. The electrons in the presence of the massive nucleus will spontaneously produce a "virtual" photon to take away some of this kinetic energy (the field accelerates the electron, it is known as bremsstrahlung radiation if it is a real photon, it can be virtual as well though) which will can become a positron electron pair if it is of high enough energy and still in the presence of an electric field.

The amount of positrons produced will depend on the heating (the power of the laser). But note that the laser photons just heat (increase kinetic energy).. it is bremsstrahlung photons or virtual photons produced from the accelerating electrons that become the positron electron pair.

This is known as the trident process and has been well understood for years. Mind you the ability to produce the high power lasers to use it at these levels is very new. It is simply the production of positrons from bremsstrahlung like virtual radiation, whether in a particle accelerator or laser target. Generally if it is a real photon it is merely called the cascade process.

Edit 2: To add to the trident process.. it can be a bit tricky...

The virtual particles in this process are the photons, not the positrons or electrons. They are called virtual because they are not actually seen as it appears the electron upon interaction with a nucleus simply becomes a lower energy electron plus a positron and electron pair. In a traditional bremsstrahlung case the photon exists, moves around a touch, and then upon interaction with an electric field becomes a pair (cascade process). The word virtual is a bit strange really.. Whether they exist or not is moot. They are used as a construct to explain interactions and since they 'exist' for such a small amount of time and space uncertainty prevails and we cannot really know much (anything) about them. We thus call them virtual and use them to explain other interactions. Almost all standard model interactions involve them in one way or another.
 
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Why do you always post fud? You know that this is just sensationalist media but you write a whole damn article about it anyways. Kinda like when people talking about CERN and traveling in time to the big bang. News flash. You can't fucking travel back in time buddy.

Hmmm, i read an article about sending particles back in time to the point that the machine was created using loads of mirrors, although I forget the link. Nonetheless, practically, no time travel.

I don't get the process here. The laser creates a magnetic field which separates the particles and anti-particles that form in vacuums? That seems so simplistic, but it's all the article seemed to say. Help me understand better?
 
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