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Largest ozone hole over Antarctic spotted

ericlp

ericlp

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Wake up call? Anyone care?


rom September 21 to 30, the average area of the ozone hole was the largest ever observed, at 10.6 million square miles

We are muking up this planet faster then we can repair it. We are going into uncharted territory... It will be interesting to see what effects we have on this planet in the next 5-10-15 years.

Rather talk about who's running or Iraq then this I guess. I can tell you one thing for sure, Bush admin sure as hell don't care... So why should you?
 
Nobody except me, and obviously you, cares. If they did, they wouldn't be worried about the price of gasoline, so they can drive their gas guzzling vehicles farther/more often. They'd be a) refusing to drive any vehicle that wasn't either electric, or got very good gas mileage and b) be willing to pay a few cents per kwh higher for their electricity, in the form of solar/wind powered generation.

The coal-fired electric plants in the U.S. account for 50% of the electricity that we use: link, and coal is the dirtiest resource on the planet, except for gasoline and diesel burning engines. So, at least here in America, the three things that we use the most, are the three worst, as far as damage to our planet. Check out the link in my signature for more information.
 
Yeah, we screwed up with the gasses that deplete the ozone layer. But we also wised up and took measures to correct it. Estimates indicate that it will be repaired by 2065.

Now CO2 and global warming.......well, we seem to be still asleep on that one.
 
Blamming power plants for destroying the ozone layer is somewhat commical since one of the big types of polution that is produced by them is ozone! Last I checked the ozone hole was getting smaller, but aparently that has shifted now. However this has nothing to do with gas guzzeling cars or coal power plants...in fact like I said, these things PRODUCE ozone which is a major component of smog.
 
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Blamming power plants for destroying the ozone layer is somewhat commical since one of the big types of polution that is produced by them is ozone! Last I checked the ozone hole was getting smaller, but aparently that has shifted now. However this has nothing to do with gas guzzeling cars or coal power plants...in fact like I said, these things PRODUCE ozone which is a major component of smog.
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Ya, unfortunetly the ozone they create doesn't help fix the Ozone Layer. Would be nice if it did. I'm not even sure it's the same gas. :shrug;
 
Originally posted by: ericlp
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Wake up call? Anyone care?


rom September 21 to 30, the average area of the ozone hole was the largest ever observed, at 10.6 million square miles

We are muking up this planet faster then we can repair it. We are going into uncharted territory... It will be interesting to see what effects we have on this planet in the next 5-10-15 years.

Rather talk about who's running or Iraq then this I guess. I can tell you one thing for sure, Bush admin sure as hell don't care... So why should you?
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America is far more concerned with the problem, and does a lot more to alleviate it, than developing nations such as India or China. Maybe you should stop being so arrogant and realize this.
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MIDIman
I see alot of blaming and finger pointing...any solutions to the problem?
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stop China from using CFC's.
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That would help, but no one here would ever settle for the main reason for this being anything other than the fault of the US... and maybe the EU.
 
It's not the US' fault in this case however so people need to get off that thought. Fortunately this doesnt really affect the US much, so we don't really have to care much either.
 
Originally posted by: BrownTown
It's not the US' fault in this case however so people need to get off that thought. Fortunately this doesnt really affect the US much, so we don't really have to care much either.
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It's 110% the U.S. fault, who do you think is enabling China??? 😕
 
Yes, OK, everything is America's fault, we should just go live back in the stone age and everyoen would be way better offf...
 
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
It's 110% the U.S. fault, who do you think is enabling China??? 😕
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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Stop using Fossil fuels and stop China from using CFC's.
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Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper
Am I the only one who sees a link between worldwide population explosion and the ozone hole?
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Fascinating - I'd love to hear explanations for all three of these.
 
The ozone layer problem is solved so far. CFCs and other ozone-destroying substances were banned in the Montreal Treaty of 1987 and they were successfully replaced everywhere. Minor amounts may still be released in China or Africa but the reason why the ozone hole stagnates is that the ozone destroying substances have a high life span. The ozone layer degrades in cold conditions, mainly during the Antarctic winter. The record size is the result of a cold winter and not of newly increased concentrations of CFCs.

NASA expects the ozone hole to close in 2068. If humanity keeps to not emit CFC and similar substances, the ozone layer should be save. (The processes that led to the Montreal Treaty are interesting for those interested in the greenhouse effect for comparision purposes. Similarities in strategies like arguments from denyiers, differences in the interests of the industry - especially of the two companies who were able to deliver CFC alternatives)

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Originally posted by: chcarnage
The ozone layer problem is solved so far. CFCs and other ozone-destroying substances were banned in the Montreal Treaty of 1997 and they were successfully replaced everywhere. Minor amounts may still be released in China or Africa but the reason why the ozone hole stagnates is that the ozone destroying substances have a high life span. The ozone layer degrades in cold conditions, mainly during the Antarctic winter. The record size is the result of a cold winter and not of newly increased concentrations of CFCs.

NASA expects the ozone hole to close in 2068. If humanity keeps to not emit CFC and similar substances, the ozone layer should be save. (The processes that led to the Montreal Treaty are interesting for those interested in the greenhouse effect for comparision purposes. Similarities in strategies like arguments from denyiers, differences in the interests of the industry - especially of the two companies who were able to deliver CFC alternatives)
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Wasn't that 1987?
 
Originally posted by: MIDIman
I see alot of blaming and finger pointing...any solutions to the problem?
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Reduce the global human population to about 250,000,000 individuals.

Originally posted by: WhipperSnapper

Am I the only one who sees a link between worldwide population explosion and the ozone hole?
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No. 🙂

 
We humans are the smartest and coolest on the whole planet, therefore we *must* be responsible for ozone depletion. <--- a.k.a. logical fallacy

Seriously, there is just as much reason to believe that ozone depletion is a naturally occurring phenom as to believe that our pollution is the cause. Sure, ozone depletion is bad, but there is no reason to blame ourselves when we're not completely sure as to the cause.
 
Originally posted by: teclado
We humans are the smartest and coolest on the whole planet, therefore we *must* be responsible for ozone depletion. <--- a.k.a. logical fallacy

Seriously, there is just as much reason to believe that ozone depletion is a naturally occurring phenom as to believe that our pollution is the cause. Sure, ozone depletion is bad, but there is no reason to blame ourselves when we're not completely sure as to the cause.
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No, we are responsible.
 
Originally posted by: BrownTown
Blamming power plants for destroying the ozone layer is somewhat commical since one of the big types of polution that is produced by them is ozone! Last I checked the ozone hole was getting smaller, but aparently that has shifted now. However this has nothing to do with gas guzzeling cars or coal power plants...in fact like I said, these things PRODUCE ozone which is a major component of smog.
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Ozone at surface level is called pollution, since it's quite a few miles away from where it's supposed to be. It's sort of like complaining about there being water in your lungs. Your body needs water inside it for you to survive, right? But put it in the wrong place, and suddenly it's deadly. Or put benign nitrogen gas into your bloodstream. It's a perfectly inert gas that we breathe constantly. Just a wee bit in your bloodstream can kill you.

Coal power plants - they put out all kinds of combustion products, which can include heavy metals and sulfur dioxide, the latter of which can eventually damage the ozone layer.

Originally posted by: jrenz
America is far more concerned with the problem, and does a lot more to alleviate it, than developing nations such as India or China. Maybe you should stop being so arrogant and realize this.
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Your neighbor is dumping sewage onto the street, but it doesn't affect you directly because you live uphill. Do you just decide to dump your sewage onto the street too, simply because someone else is doing it? Probably not a good idea.

Originally posted by: CPA
Originally posted by: MIDIman
I see alot of blaming and finger pointing...any solutions to the problem?
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From liberals? hahahahahahahaahaa
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It seems any time the liberals or anyone else propose solutions, they're either called unpatriotic, arrogant, or impractical.


Originally posted by: teclado
We humans are the smartest and coolest on the whole planet, therefore we *must* be responsible for ozone depletion. <--- a.k.a. logical fallacy

Seriously, there is just as much reason to believe that ozone depletion is a naturally occurring phenom as to believe that our pollution is the cause. Sure, ozone depletion is bad, but there is no reason to blame ourselves when we're not completely sure as to the cause.
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As I've said many times - ok, let's assume that the ozone hole and global warming are perfectly natural. If the damn's about to break, due to natural causes such as minor earthquakes, and the wave of water will destroy a large city, it's not a good idea to go drilling holes in it to help it along. If something's already a problem, contributing to it is really pretty stupid.

 
Originally posted by: ProfJohn
Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: MIDIman
I see alot of blaming and finger pointing...any solutions to the problem?
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Stop using Fossil fuels and stop China from using CFC's.
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And how do we stop China from using CFC's?
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Damn, you should talk... Let's take care of own place before we start pointing fingers at other....

You said it best in your last thread.... How am I gonna explain to my six year old about "BUSHIT"!!!

Well, how are you going to explain that we screwed up the planet and not looking out for his/her generation?

I know I'm really tired of the bushit, and he is the main cause why this country is so dependant on oil and coal fired plants, after all he said it himself, man is not the cause of green house gasses and we are not causing global warming... Yeah, so that means lets raise the standards on clean air and pollute even more!!! Sheesh, you go along with that plan I suppose? Then he even starts to favor Cheaper vs a few bucks more for more efficient appliances... Worst president ever? Yeah I think so. Then to make matters even worse he shuns real science and pretends stuff is not even happening... It's the warmest and driest yet for Oregon on record for October... I feels like summer!

The solution to the problem is to start planting more trees instead of cutting them down... Let's enjoy are Forrest's while we still have them... The filter out the bad air and produce clean oxygen.

NEXT? you say? Let's stop selling incandescent light bulbs and start ONLY selling fluorescent? How hard is for that?

NEXT? Let's start making ONLY high efficient appliances... Yep, you only get the front loader washer, uses less water, uses less detergent, spins close faster for a faster drying time... Let's spend a few buck more on AC units and refrigerators.... How hard is that?

NEXT? Let's classify ALL cars YES even pickup trucks and SUV's (including the Hummer *The only Vehicle that is not required to post the EPA Miles per Gallon Sticker on the window*)... Any car, truck or SUV that gets less then 30MPG except for commercial vehicles will get heavy taxed... So that they get taxes out of existence. The more MPG a vehicle gets the bigger incentive to buy one should be...

NEXT? Lets starting installing solar energy and wind energy alternative energy in new homes being built. Not just start but REQUIRING it....

NEXT? Get rid of Coal burning fired or oil fired power plants. Revert them to nuclear technology. It's clean and does less to pollute the environment....

There is a lot we can do but our government is not doing it, why? I have no idea, Ask Bush... Tho, Bush did one thing right, that I have to give him credit for, he actually signed a program to give a tax break for Solar / Wind and to some extent electric / gas cars. But, it's not enough... We should be the leader in this technology and start making them ONLY...
 
Originally posted by: teclado
We humans are the smartest and coolest on the whole planet, therefore we *must* be responsible for ozone depletion. <--- a.k.a. logical fallacy

Seriously, there is just as much reason to believe that ozone depletion is a naturally occurring phenom as to believe that our pollution is the cause. Sure, ozone depletion is bad, but there is no reason to blame ourselves when we're not completely sure as to the cause.
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You amuse me. Do you think the world was waiting for you to end a twenty years old scientific consensus? 😛
 
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