WTF is Israel doing? I know they claim hamas was launching crappy missiles at them first....but they ALWAYS say that, ignoring the fact that they're usually the aggressor. You can't keep bombing the fuck out of one of the poorest "countries" on Earth. I'm getting real sick of these Israeli fags.
Your logic is just... horrible. As Tommy Chong once said something like: "Hey... how come everytime i screw up you tell me I screwed up.."
Can you please post some evidence that Israel was the aggressor against Hamas or other palestinians when all they were doing was being lawful citizens?
Hasn't every conflict between Israel and palestine started by Israel?? I haven't seen any evidence to the contrary...any event you point to as a starting point by palestinians, I can go back farther and find one from Israel, so on and so forth. Israel shouldn't even exist at this point. They're disgusting pigs, even worse than us bombing countries like Iraq that only have marginal abilities to defend themselves. Israel is attacking countries that don't even have aircraft, armor, or anything resembling a standing army. Absolute shit.
You're not making any sense when you take offense at Israel using their military to go after Hamas. What do you expect them to do? just live with the rockets raining down day after day, with the fear that today is the day you'll get hit by one? That they might one day have a larger rocket with some chemicals on them?
In answer to your bold though, no, Israel has never even attacked Palestine at all before, because Palestine doesn't exist and never has.
Thanks Duwelon! Will Jesus declare 'Mission Accomplished? And thanks for all of the dead Palistinians!'
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may I remind you that the Israelis there were people from the HOLOCAUST. dont even say shit about that, the second you or anyone denies anything that disgusting, you should be killed by any means possible.
ontop of the fact that Israel belongs to the Jewish people and have belonged to the Jewish people for over 2000 years. The Babylonians came in and took the Jews out, and they could never come back in.
second, I dont know if you realize it, but, This is what Israel got in 1947-48. Most of it was Desert, called the Negev, the southern part of Israel.
Dont believe me? here is a history map dating back to biblical times of The land of Israel
Here
any and all land gained or lost from 1948- today was from attacks from Arab nations and Israel winning the wars.
a lot of the land, including the Golan Heights, belonged to Syria, which they used to attack Israeli settlements. During the six day war, Israel basically said, enough is enough, the land is ours because you attack us on it.
Here is a wiki on it Here
also, I'd like to add.
Do you realize Israel allows Christians into israel freely, and there have been no major conflicts to this proportion? I wonder why....
It's not palastinian land. Gaza is land that Israel pulled out of under the ill-guided notion by that idiot Olmert that Hamas and other palestinians like them would honor their side of their agreement. As far legality goes, they have no claim to anything becuase they broke their own cease fire.
Just FWIW when it comes to "legality" the term has no meaning in the dealing of nations, military power is the only morality in such struggles. Trying to apply morality or legal terms to such things is worthless. The reason Israel has power in the region isn't their moral superiority it is the fact that they have a strong army and nuclear weapons. There have probable been 100 different wars over this regions, the Jews have won some, the Christians have won some, the Muslims have won some, etc. But the winner was determined solely on military power and in almost all cases they more or less kicked the other groups out. The day that the arab nation is the region have a more dominate military then those of Israel and whatever allies they can muster will be the day there is no more Israel, just like the formation of Israel was due to military conquest so will the destruction of this country.
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that day will never come, at least as long as the world has some sense in itself.
go look at Iran, they wanted to make "nuclear facilities" for "electricity" but the world stopped them. reason for this is because, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, has stated he wants to wipe Israel off the face of the map.
THAT IS WHY. Israel does not use their Nuclear capability for destruction, rather for electricity.
that is why israel will always exist as long as the world has some sense in itself.
also, I am sure if the world allowed Iran to build nuclear factories, Israel would bomb it, because they do not need the risk.
oh and please, do not use the whole,
"If the Europeans are telling the truth in their claim that they have killed six million Jews in the Holocaust during the World War II - which seems they are right in their claim because they insist on it and arrest and imprison those who oppose it, why the Palestinian nation should pay for the crime. Why have they come to the very heart of the Islamic world and are committing crimes against the dear Palestine using their bombs, rockets, missiles and sanctions"
as a basis to say he is innocent, because he is not, he is anti-semetic, he hates israel, he wants to destroy it, and that is that.
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no, it is the Jewish people returning to the state of israel in over 2000 years, after the holocaust, and the UN partition plan.
all of that is what caused the arab civilians to be moved. They went to other countries like egypt/Lebanon/jordan. those who stayed, tried to fight the jews over the small amount of land they had received. The arabs had more land in the area known as the Partition plan than the Jews, but they were selfish and they wanted to take the small amount of land they had, which most of it was the Negev, a desert
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Who are you suggesting the land in West Bank all those Israeli settlers live on belongs to then?
The Gaza pull-out was proposed by and conducted under Sharon, and it was done without any agreement from the Palestinians.
Regardless, the idea that Israel withdrawing their troops along with their settlements from Gaza while continuing to colonize of the West Bank would bring anything but the chaos was always an aboard notion. I can dig up old posts of mine saying as much back when it was just a proposal if you like.
That does gives Israel the legal right to invade the region and occupy it militarily, as needed to defend their nation. However, it doesn't give Israeli civilians any legal right to colonize the Palestinian land.
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here is the land division.
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even if it calculates to more land for the Jewish people, everywhere from Beersheba and south is a desert land. that is what made up most of the Jewish land.
now, even though the arabs owned the land ALL around this small piece of land, they wanted it.
sounds like selfish to me
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even if it calculates to more land for the Jewish people, everywhere from Beersheba and south is a desert land. that is what made up most of the Jewish land.
now, even though the arabs owned the land ALL around this small piece of land, they wanted it.
sounds like selfish to me
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may I remind you that the west bank was taken over by Israel in a war. which means they can do whatever they want with it.
they chose to settle in it, now Israel made an agreement to give it back to the arabs in return for peace. there might be Israeli settlements there right now, but most of them were removed.
I remember watching on TV the Israeli army had to basically carry the Jewish people from their homes while the arab pigs came and destroyed the synagogues (equivalent of a church for Christians.)
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also. I want you to realize why sometimes Israel can not just let the Arabs in the west bank do as they wish.
this is taken from a Jewish city, on/near the west bank border.
Pic here
as you can obviously see. this is a short distance. it is actually 12 miles from that point to tel aviv.
that means Terrorists only need a 12 mile range rocket to hit the most densely populated area of Israel.
this is why Israel still occupies parts of the west bank.
this is taken from a Jewish city, on/near the west bank border.
Pic here
as you can obviously see. this is a short distance. it is actually 12 miles from that point to tel aviv.
that means Terrorists only need a 12 mile range rocket to hit the most densely populated area of Israel.
this is why Israel still occupies parts of the west bank.
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Israeli troops depopulating and sometimes outright destroying 199 Arab localities across both sides of the U.N. partition plan, prior to the date it was scheduled to go into effect, is what caused those over 400,000 Arab civilians to become refugees. Again, how was "returning to the state of Israel" in that manor anything less than an act of war?
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Did you know that during the first through the fifth aliyah, known as movements starting from 1882 and ending in 1948, by jews looking for freedom and no more anti-semitism, went to Israel, known as Palestine at the time.
they found settlements known as Yishuv, which were settlements of Jews who have lived there since babylonian times and never left. Link for wiki here
especially during the second aliyah, many arab attacks happened on Jewish settlements.
Here is what I mean. A group known as Hashomer was created by Jewish people as a defense for the Yishuv and the different new settlements by the people coming from the different aliyot (plural in hebrew for aliyah), it later became known as the IDF. Hashomer on wiki
how about one in many attacks on jews, known as 1929 Hebron massacre.
Here, wiki
Jews were trying to live with arabs, the arabs attacked the Jews.
I could dig in more and find more attacks and defenses of arabs attacking jews, but it is 3 am here.
1. The UN Charter explicitly forbids and delegitimatizes the acquisition of land through armed force by it's signatories. This concept was created to remove an incentive to wage war in the aftermath of the Second World War. Israel voluntarily signed the Charter when they became a member of the United Nations, and their continued and expansionary settlements are a violation of this fundamental tenet, that they themselves agreed to.
2. With respect to Gaza, Israel may no longer have settlements there, but they have imposed a siege around it, and it is this siege that is the source of contention. The ceasefire of the past six months called for Hamas to end its rocket attacks in exchange for a lifting of the siege and an end to targeted assassination of Hamas officials. The rocket fire was curtailed, but Israel did not lift the blockade, and when the ceasefire expired Hamas stated that they would only agree to a further ceasefire if Israel lived up to its end of the deal. That's why Hamas resumed firing rockets against Israel, as a form of resistance to the blockade, resistance that will not end until a reciprocal agreement ending the blockade is achieved that Israel lives up to.
There are people who like to think that Israel sits there innocently while hellfire reigns down upon them, but this is not the case. They are continually committing a violent act against Gaza just the same, to a much larger degree worse than the rocket fire Hamas and other groups are responsible for. People die from it; the lives of an entire group of people are deleteriously affected by it.
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No they can't, just like the Allies taking over Germany in WWII didn't give them the right to colonize it either.
Israel has not made any agreement to withdraw their settlers.
There is currently half a million settlers living in the West Bank, with their numbers and the territory the live on consistently growing every year.
That was in Gaza, and was a representation of a small and radical minority of the settler population. The vast majority of the settlers in the West Bank live there for economic reasons, as housing is much cheaper and the Isareli government provides tax breaks to citizen living in the West Bank. They wouldn't put up any such fight.
I know what a synagogue is, I attend one every Saturday for a couple of years in my childhood, with friends of my family who looked after me while my father was at work. I'm not Jewish myself, but I have great respect for the faith, and I doubt my abhorrence of such desecration is any less than your own.
Since when has the world EVER made sense? The day will come, maybe in our lives, maybe not.
The Iranian nuclear facilities are legitimate power reactors, designed to produce electricity, not bombs and the world hasn't stopped them, last I checked they were advancing to completion (until Israel bombs them)
Israel in fact has no commercial nuclear reactors, they do have a reactor designed solely for the production of nuclear bombs though.
I'm srsly not taking and sides here, but if you were to list countries in order of likelihood to be the next to use nuclear weapons against people how can you not put Israel near the top after maybe Pakistan?
Although like I was saying the moral and legal implications are determined by those in power. The commercial CIVILIAN nuclear plant I work at makes materials for MILITARY nuclear bombs, this is supposed to be a bad thing if any other country does it, but here in the USA you probably didn't even know (or care) that such a thing is happening. Why is it OK or the USA to mix its civilian and military nuclear programs and not Iran?!? (although I totally agree with you Iran is having nukes over my dead body, but there is that due to MORAL reasoning or our desire to stay in power?)
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