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LAPD officers kill man holding baby when he opens fire; baby dies

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Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
If he was using a cop as a shield they wouldn't have fired.
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I know you're trying to be funny and witty, but you know that not only would it have changed that part of the incident, but the entire incident itself.

They are two completely different situations.
 
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
If he was using a cop as a shield they wouldn't have fired.
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I know you're trying to be funny and witty, but you know that not only would it have changed that part of the incident, but the entire incident itself.

They are two completely different situations.
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so a cop > baby?

 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
If he was using a cop as a shield they wouldn't have fired.
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I know you're trying to be funny and witty, but you know that not only would it have changed that part of the incident, but the entire incident itself.

They are two completely different situations.
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so a cop > baby?
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I think a cop would have have a lot better of a chance of attempting to neutralize the guy then the baby would : maybe they would offer -more- time for the cop to try something? i dont know:

i think that in these situations it sucks to be an officer cause if you dont act you're boned and if you do act (as was this case) you're boned. It's really tragic what happened 🙁 hopefully full investigation will lend more details and prevent this kinda stuff from happening again (though that's probally being too optimistic)
 
The first thing that comes to my mind is how the hell do a bunch of trained officers not take a guy down with 300 shots? This should have ended long before the "third round" of fire.

In my mind firing that many shots seems reckless and dangerous.
 
Originally posted by: Stefan
The first thing that comes to my mind is how the hell do a bunch of trained officers not take a guy down with 300 shots? This should have ended long before the "third round" of fire.

In my mind firing that many shots seems reckless and dangerous.
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The first thing that comes to my mind is that the 300 shots count came from the baby's mother.
 
should have, would have, could have. . .

if you weren't there you don't know how exactly the situation evolved.
if i had to guess, it seems the man was a total freaked out psycho and would have taken down other innocent people AND the baby if he hadn't been stopped.
 
Sad for the cops who shot the baby. They'll have to live with the "what if" and guilt for the rest of their lives, too 🙁
 
Originally posted by: Stefan
The first thing that comes to my mind is how the hell do a bunch of trained officers not take a guy down with 300 shots? This should have ended long before the "third round" of fire.

In my mind firing that many shots seems reckless and dangerous.
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Did you even read the article? Or the thread? :roll:
 
Originally posted by: alkemyst
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: Wallydraigle
If he was using a cop as a shield they wouldn't have fired.
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I know you're trying to be funny and witty, but you know that not only would it have changed that part of the incident, but the entire incident itself.

They are two completely different situations.
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so a cop > baby?
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Your reasoning ability astounds me.
 
I like how most people who commented didn't even read the ENTIRE article and all the other articles out there regarding the situation, sometimes you can piece together a better picture of what happened if you get most of the accounts together.

Its like reading American history from the European's perspective and completely skipping out on the Native American or Spanish/Mexican perspective.

But anyways.. all these what ifs doesn't mean ish... the fact is that it happened.. and it sucks for everyone who died and who are related to those who died... however it is great for those who survived... this was after all in an aprt complex many more could have been injured and were in a sense "saved"

For the greater good...
 
Originally posted by: Viper GTS
BTW CNN's article explicitly says an officer was shot in the incident, which this article kind of glossed over.

This guy shot a cop & got taken down, it doesn't get much clearer than that.

As for the baby, sh!t happens.

Viper GTS
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This reminds me of a story of where a guy was suicidal and holding a gun to himself. The cops didnt want to make a move and have him kill himself so they was talking/distracting while they had a sniper in place. The sniper was such a good shot, he shot the gun out of the mans hand.

question. if SWAT was there... where were the snipers?
 
Originally posted by: AznAnarchy99
This reminds me of a story of where a guy was suicidal and holding a gun to himself. The cops didnt want to make a move and have him kill himself so they was talking/distracting while they had a sniper in place. The sniper was such a good shot, he shot the gun out of the mans hand.

question. if SWAT was there... where were the snipers?
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I think you answered your own question..........
 
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: NFS4

Accidents happen. In this case, the baby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time...of no fault of its own...but also of no fault of the cops.
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The bullet that killed the baby was fired from a cop's gun. Therefore you can't say that it's no fault of the cops. Sure, the cops were put in a bad situation, but they handled it poorly.
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you are smoking crack. I watched the standoff on the news. It lasted all day. He kept going in and out of the house firing back. Are they supposed to let this freak just keep going till he gets sleepy. Get real.

I'm sure the wife is going to sue the city for a few hundred million.
 
Originally posted by: Rickten
Originally posted by: 91TTZ
Originally posted by: NFS4

Accidents happen. In this case, the baby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time...of no fault of its own...but also of no fault of the cops.
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The bullet that killed the baby was fired from a cop's gun. Therefore you can't say that it's no fault of the cops. Sure, the cops were put in a bad situation, but they handled it poorly.
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you are smoking crack. I watched the standoff on the news. It lasted all day. He kept going in and out of the house firing back. Are they supposed to let this freak just keep going till he gets sleepy. Get real.

I'm sure the wife is going to sue the city for a few hundred million.
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Don't they have non-lethal means of subduing the man? Don't they have sniper rifles? If they're going to recklessly fire shots that ended up killing the baby, I'm sure there was another way that may have also risked the baby, but would have had a much better chance. This isn't the first time hearing about crap like this (sans "hostage" dying).
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Im with HeroOfPellinor. If the COPs were doing their job so well they would have taken bullets, let the man empty out his pistol and rifle, and basically do more in an effort to save the baby.

Even the statements of the officers make it sound like they just shrugged it off.

then again, none of us were there at the scene so it is easy to monday morning quarterback.
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Contrary to popular belief, taking a bullet isn't in a cop's job description. Sure the risk is there, but they are not required to take a bullet for anyone. They are not the secret service protecting the president. Alot of you are completely retarded about what Swat can and can't do. In a residential neighborhood a Sniper would usually be one of the last ideas. I doubt this guy stood in the middle of the street without moving.......Actually, nevermind I'm too tired right now to reason with gamers who play Counterstrike and think their's a headshot hack for real life and Swat sniper have it.
 
Originally posted by: hysperion
Originally posted by: OrByte
Im with HeroOfPellinor. If the COPs were doing their job so well they would have taken bullets, let the man empty out his pistol and rifle, and basically do more in an effort to save the baby.

Even the statements of the officers make it sound like they just shrugged it off.

then again, none of us were there at the scene so it is easy to monday morning quarterback.
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Contrary to popular belief, taking a bullet isn't in a cop's job description. Sure the risk is there, but they are not required to take a bullet for anyone. They are not the secret service protecting the president. Alot of you are completely retarded about what Swat can and can't do. In a residential neighborhood a Sniper would usually be one of the last ideas. I doubt this guy stood in the middle of the street without moving.......Actually, nevermind I'm too tired right now to reason with gamers who play Counterstrike and think their's a headshot hack for real life and Swat sniper have it.
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:thumbsup:
 
Originally posted by: OrByte
Originally posted by: BigJ
Originally posted by: OrByte
Im in agreement here. If the COPs were doing their job so well they would have taken bullets, let the man empty out his pistol and rifle, and basically do more in an effort to save the baby.

Even the statements of the officers make it sound like they just shrugged it off.

then again, none of us were there at the scene so it is easy to monday morning quarterback.
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If the guy is sick enough to use his baby as a human shield, you don't think he's sick enough to save 2 bullets, one for the baby and one for himself? Or just one for the baby and let himself get taken out?
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no I don't think he would have saved bullets, he was supposedly doped up on drugs and alcohol. To me he was beyond rational thinking but thats neither here nor there...

Well if I was one of the 30 40 50 or whatever many cops out there I would have ducked and not fired one single shot. At least that way I would know for a fact that I wasnt firing into a baby. I wouldn't have fired. Can you imagine what it would feel like to be the officer that shot the baby?

Goes to show what kind of mentality some of these officers have, and why I'm not one of them. Adrenaline doesnt seem like a good enough excuse. Their rational minds should have been able to prevent the officers from shooting at a baby, no matter the circumstance.
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So using your logic if I'm holding my kid in my hands. We both have pistols and I'm running at you shooting- you're not gonna fire because you might hit my kid? Or- even more laughable, you're gonna fire at my legs so that I have more time to fire for your center mass? Sure that's a straw-man argument but taking bullets isn't in a cops job description. They are allowed to protect themselves. The ONLY person responsible for the kids death is her father.
 
Originally posted by: pinkeywear
Wow, I can't believe the father actually used his own child as a shield. That's horrible :frown:
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Yeah but it should be expected. It is a combination of suicide by cop and "if I can't have her".

 
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